So, why can women get away with working at like Vitaman Cott
ApsieGuy wrote:
Why can women get away with working crap jobs while men are expected to have decent/good jobs. I thought we were living in a more equal society? It sure doesn't feel that way anymore.
The short answer is, because they're cuter than you are. (Sorry.)
The real answer is, it's a stupid question. (Sorry again.) No one is "getting away" with anything. No one (male or female) wants to work a crap job. And no well-balanced person with a modicum of self-esteem wants his or her partner stuck in a crap job.
If you feel stuck in a crap job, there are numerous ways up and into decent/good jobs. I'm sure you know that. If you are having trouble attracting the woman of your dreams because you truly are stuck in a crap job, then she's not the woman of your dreams. Because, yes, we are living in a more (but not perfectly) equal society. And the woman of your dreams is going to accept you for you -- and not for your job or your paycheck or your social status. That's the woman of your nightmares. Be careful with that distinction.
And that cute Vitamin Cott cashier, who you think is getting away with something, is very likely not meeting the man of her dreams. 'Cause that cute stuff lasts for like three hot minutes. And she's got a roster of stereotypical complaints about the opposite sex probably just about as long as yours.
OK, I'm not even going to respond to all of this wifey stays home to vacuum while king of the castle goes out to work (or hunt or whatever). Times is tough. If you're somewhere where a couple is living really well on one income, please give me your location, and I'll see you soon...
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Chronos wrote:
ApsieGuy wrote:
Chronos wrote:
ApsieGuy wrote:
So, chronos.(you sound like a 30 something single man hater might I add)
Is it fair for men to expect women to invest lot of money into plastic surgery and working out just to look pretty?
Is it fair for men to expect women to invest lot of money into plastic surgery and working out just to look pretty?
You would only like me to be a man hater so you feel justified in your hatred of women.
Thankfully most men are well adjusted people and I certainly do not rank them amongst the likes of men (and women) like yourself.
As to your question about plastic surgery, though I believe it's a poor analogy...I would not date a man like this, nor would I insist that he has an obligation to date me under any circumstances, nor would I hate him for his preferences.
If a man wants a woman with a perfect body, he's perfectly welcome by me to go out and find her. He'll have a hard time doing so, and women who go through such lengths typically are the shallow gold diggers who DO care how much he makes for the pure financial value. I'm not his type, he's not mine, so I don't care.
I've only every raised the issue of looks because many men on here were under the false impression that any woman can get any guy she wants, and I was illustrating how that is a false perception.
You do realize that as a guy advances in a career.....his value goes up...same with personality.....and muscles
President Obama doesn't look like a body builder to me....neither does Arnold Schwarzenegger now days.
You advance in career, in part, because of personality. Not the other way around.
The only real difference between Ted and Joe, relevant to their occupational progress, was their personalities. Joe actually has a little more education than Ted because he completed highschool and went and some community college certificate program. Ted is a highschool drop out and couldn't afford any college. In fact Ted comes from a poor, working class family and his father spent most of the time in prison, while Joe comes from stable, middle class family and his father has a degree in business.
Even though Joe should theoretically have had an advantage compared to Ted...in fact statistics say Ted should be in prison, Joe's self defeatists personality and fear of leadership and responsibility inhibit him from obtaining things in life he'd really like to obtain. Ted, on the other hand, doesn't really spend much time, if any, dwelling on these issues.
But if you're so concerned about muscle and if having muscle will make you feel more confident because you think all women want muscle men, why don't you start lifting weights? Most men bulk up fairly quickly unless they are ectomorphs.
I can tell you how to do this if you like.
Actually, I have been lifting weights for years....I am also an ectomorph. Yes, It's almost impossible for me to put on muscle. If you've seen my picture, you will see that I am quite thin there.........was even thinner prior to that.'
This is another mis conecption women have. Most men do NOT bulk that quickly:
http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/fail.htm
I think your un-reasonable expectations for men will keep you single for life. You come on here and go "WHY CANT I GET A BOYFRIEND." Some 50 year old trucker weighing 200 pounds hits on you....and then you deny him....and come back here and complain
ApsieGuy wrote:
I think your un-reasonable expectations for men will keep you single for life.
You can't be serious. You just can't be. Our unreasonable expectations of women are practically a natural law. (Think gravity, here.) You, sir, are the very definition of bold. [I'm looking for that emoticon with the little guy rolling back and forth on the floor laughing his ass off -- where is it?!?]
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Put the curse of loneliness on every boy and every girl,
Until everybody's kickin', everybody's scratchin',
Everything seems to fail ?
And it was all for the want of a nail.
RainingRoses wrote:
ApsieGuy wrote:
I think your un-reasonable expectations for men will keep you single for life.
You can't be serious. You just can't be. Our unreasonable expectations of women are practically a natural law. (Think gravity, here.) You, sir, are the very definition of bold. [I'm looking for that emoticon with the little guy rolling back and forth on the floor laughing his ass off -- where is it?!?]
Chronos just sounds negative and bitter 24/7..........seriously.
Unless she is REALLY hot with a massive paycheck, I can't see any guy wanting to be around that. It's emotionally draining
I would guess shes probably 35ish.....her situation isnt looking much better...its very hard for women to date after 40
ApsieGuy wrote:
RainingRoses wrote:
ApsieGuy wrote:
I think your un-reasonable expectations for men will keep you single for life.
You can't be serious. You just can't be. Our unreasonable expectations of women are practically a natural law. (Think gravity, here.) You, sir, are the very definition of bold. [I'm looking for that emoticon with the little guy rolling back and forth on the floor laughing his ass off -- where is it?!?]
Chronos just sounds negative and bitter 24/7..........seriously.
Unless she is REALLY hot with a massive paycheck, I can't see any guy wanting to be around that. It's emotionally draining
I would guess shes probably 35ish.....her situation isnt looking much better...its very hard for women to date after 40
I don't know, man. Something tells me you two may be made for each other. [I need that same damned emoticon again!! !] I think you're going to have to work this out yourselves...
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Put the curse of loneliness on every boy and every girl,
Until everybody's kickin', everybody's scratchin',
Everything seems to fail ?
And it was all for the want of a nail.
ApsieGuy wrote:
Chronos wrote:
ApsieGuy wrote:
Chronos wrote:
ApsieGuy wrote:
So, chronos.(you sound like a 30 something single man hater might I add)
Is it fair for men to expect women to invest lot of money into plastic surgery and working out just to look pretty?
Is it fair for men to expect women to invest lot of money into plastic surgery and working out just to look pretty?
You would only like me to be a man hater so you feel justified in your hatred of women.
Thankfully most men are well adjusted people and I certainly do not rank them amongst the likes of men (and women) like yourself.
As to your question about plastic surgery, though I believe it's a poor analogy...I would not date a man like this, nor would I insist that he has an obligation to date me under any circumstances, nor would I hate him for his preferences.
If a man wants a woman with a perfect body, he's perfectly welcome by me to go out and find her. He'll have a hard time doing so, and women who go through such lengths typically are the shallow gold diggers who DO care how much he makes for the pure financial value. I'm not his type, he's not mine, so I don't care.
I've only every raised the issue of looks because many men on here were under the false impression that any woman can get any guy she wants, and I was illustrating how that is a false perception.
You do realize that as a guy advances in a career.....his value goes up...same with personality.....and muscles
President Obama doesn't look like a body builder to me....neither does Arnold Schwarzenegger now days.
You advance in career, in part, because of personality. Not the other way around.
The only real difference between Ted and Joe, relevant to their occupational progress, was their personalities. Joe actually has a little more education than Ted because he completed highschool and went and some community college certificate program. Ted is a highschool drop out and couldn't afford any college. In fact Ted comes from a poor, working class family and his father spent most of the time in prison, while Joe comes from stable, middle class family and his father has a degree in business.
Even though Joe should theoretically have had an advantage compared to Ted...in fact statistics say Ted should be in prison, Joe's self defeatists personality and fear of leadership and responsibility inhibit him from obtaining things in life he'd really like to obtain. Ted, on the other hand, doesn't really spend much time, if any, dwelling on these issues.
But if you're so concerned about muscle and if having muscle will make you feel more confident because you think all women want muscle men, why don't you start lifting weights? Most men bulk up fairly quickly unless they are ectomorphs.
I can tell you how to do this if you like.
Actually, I have been lifting weights for years....I am also an ectomorph. Yes, It's almost impossible for me to put on muscle. If you've seen my picture, you will see that I am quite thin there.........was even thinner prior to that.'
This is another mis conecption women have. Most men do NOT bulk that quickly:
http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/fail.htm
I think your un-reasonable expectations for men will keep you single for life. You come on here and go "WHY CANT I GET A BOYFRIEND." Some 50 year old trucker weighing 200 pounds hits on you....and then you deny him....and come back here and complain
What unreasonable expectations would those be?
I generally require someone in average shape, and within 6-7 years of my age in either direction but of course there exceptions. I prefer someone of my own ethnic group...but again, there are exceptions. Most importantly we have to have compatible personalities and lifestyles.
Is that unreasonable?
I never asked why I can't get a boyfriend. I think the closest I ever asked was "how" because I wanted feedback from the men on how women should approach/signal to men she is interested in. I was also curious what men found attractive in a woman (as I'm not a lesbian and thus would not know). Nor do I just want "a" boyfriend, obviously, or I would have one, just like many men on here would have "a" girlfriend if anyone would do.
In reality, it's very apparent that not just any one would do.
There is no benefit to having a boyfriend or girlfriend if you are not interested in the person, attracted to the person, or no reasonable level of compatibility exists at that relationship level. This is true among NT's however people with AS generally need a much higher level of compatibility with their partners than NT's or someone is not going to be happy in the relationship.
I don't believe in any of my posts I have complained about not having a boyfriend. I have only illustrated to those with misconceptions, the trials that women with AS face in the arena of relationships, as many of the men on here were/are under the false impression that women with AS have it easier in terms of love and dating.
I will acknowledge, it may be easier for women to get a one night stand (with a man, not any man), and certainly, that's one some of the men on here would like, but actual relationships are different.
ApsieGuy wrote:
RainingRoses wrote:
ApsieGuy wrote:
I think your un-reasonable expectations for men will keep you single for life.
You can't be serious. You just can't be. Our unreasonable expectations of women are practically a natural law. (Think gravity, here.) You, sir, are the very definition of bold. [I'm looking for that emoticon with the little guy rolling back and forth on the floor laughing his ass off -- where is it?!?]
Chronos just sounds negative and bitter 24/7..........seriously.
Unless she is REALLY hot with a massive paycheck, I can't see any guy wanting to be around that. It's emotionally draining
I would guess shes probably 35ish.....her situation isnt looking much better...its very hard for women to date after 40
We have reconciled.
Last edited by Chronos on 31 Oct 2010, 8:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Chronos wrote:
I will acknowledge, it may be easier for women to get a one night stand (with a man, not any man), and certainly, that's one some of the men on here would like, but actual relationships are different.
yes, that's the problem isn't it:
it's hard for women to get what they want (it varies according to each woman) AND it's hard for men to get what they want (and... it varies according to each man). not too many people on WP set a plan for themselves to get X, and then accomplished X with any degree of ease.
it's difficult for most aspies, really. especially if you are unlucky enough to want something that the objects of your desire do not seek. for example (just random ideas), if a man wants a relationship, and all he meets are women who want a fling, plus he has the social skills issues inherent in AS, he is going to have an uphill battle. or if a woman only wants hot guys, but all the hot guys are looking for arm candy with NT social skills, she will have problems too.
we'll all get a lot farther if we stop attacking each other and try to support each other (not aimed at you, Chronos).
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Chronos wrote:
Any woman who would have dumped you for taking her to an Italian place because you didn't know she didn't like Italian should have been dumped by you a while ago. Unless of course she told you many many times she didn't like Italian and you didn't listen/remember not only that, but a whole host of other things.
If she tells me, I'll generally remember. But the problem is she (whoever "she" might be) won't tell me, because she expects me to just be able to pick it up, while my AS prevents me from being able to read her mind. I can only cope so far...As for the dumping her in this scenario, you're forgetting that I don't exactly have the first pick anywhere. I'm not exactly that popular, rich, or attractive. If someone actually thinks i'm worth spending time with, i have to hold on to that... I just don't have the luxury of being able to go through women like Warren Beatty. I'm trying to make do with what I have, and as far as I can tell, it just isn't enough.
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I think you are undermining the relationship by "letting" her choose all the time. Most women will eventually interpret this in the manner I explained above....or they will conclude you're boring. If she wants to choose what to do all the time then she might as well do it by herself.
My experience seemed to prove the opposite. Whenever I tried to schedule something with my ex, she would invariably end up cancelling it later. Most of the time she would just say she was "busy", and leave it at that. Despite my best efforts, she would break up with me after I offered to take her out just for a coffee. So, in my experience, taking the lead just tends to backfire.
ToadOfSteel wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Any woman who would have dumped you for taking her to an Italian place because you didn't know she didn't like Italian should have been dumped by you a while ago. Unless of course she told you many many times she didn't like Italian and you didn't listen/remember not only that, but a whole host of other things.
If she tells me, I'll generally remember. But the problem is she (whoever "she" might be) won't tell me, because she expects me to just be able to pick it up, while my AS prevents me from being able to read her mind. I can only cope so far...As for the dumping her in this scenario, you're forgetting that I don't exactly have the first pick anywhere. I'm not exactly that popular, rich, or attractive. If someone actually thinks i'm worth spending time with, i have to hold on to that... I just don't have the luxury of being able to go through women like Warren Beatty. I'm trying to make do with what I have, and as far as I can tell, it just isn't enough.
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I think you are undermining the relationship by "letting" her choose all the time. Most women will eventually interpret this in the manner I explained above....or they will conclude you're boring. If she wants to choose what to do all the time then she might as well do it by herself.
My experience seemed to prove the opposite. Whenever I tried to schedule something with my ex, she would invariably end up cancelling it later. Most of the time she would just say she was "busy", and leave it at that. Despite my best efforts, she would break up with me after I offered to take her out just for a coffee. So, in my experience, taking the lead just tends to backfire.Honestly she just sounds like a b!tch. I think it's reasonable, in the context of the NT world, that one expects their mate to just pick up on a few things, but knowing that she doesn't like Italian when she hasn't told you, isn't one of them. I think she was just not big enough to be honest with you and tell you she didn't think the relationship was working out, and needed an excuse (albeit a very poor one) to end it.
ApsieGuy wrote:
Chronos just sounds negative and bitter 24/7..........seriously.
Unless she is REALLY hot with a massive paycheck, I can't see any guy wanting to be around that. It's emotionally draining
Unless she is REALLY hot with a massive paycheck, I can't see any guy wanting to be around that. It's emotionally draining
What do you think you are? You sound bitter 24/7, and I can't see any woman wanting to be around that.
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