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13 Dec 2010, 1:06 pm

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She is a very, very special person. If you all knew her, you might understand why it is so difficult to let go. She is a real sweetheart.


OP, it's obvious that you still love this girl. You also felt something different for her than other girls you've had relationships with, because you chose to trust her. I don't think you made a bad choice: she obviously tried to be kind to you when she ended the relationship, and it seems like she provided you a lot of leeway before she finally had to cut you off.

I think everyone here has given really sound advice, but I'd like to add a slightly different perspective: real love is reciprocal. It's a shared feeling, hon. Real love - the kind that lasts a lifetime - has to be nurtured to grow, and it can only be natured by both partners. I think you need to be open to the possibility that this girl and your relationship with her represents issues you need to work on, rather than a "once in a lifetime" chance at love.

Sometimes we become very connected to people who actually aren't capable of truly loving us, precisely because they're not capable of truly loving us. If we're raised in a dysfunctional family, if we're abused, if there's an alcoholic/drug addicted parent, etc., we can experience a profound connection with a caregiver that's not really rooted in real love either. When we experience that type of emotional confusion at critical points in our psychological and emotional development, we may tend to seek out significant others who recreate that feeling in us. The feeling can be strong, and familiar and easily mistaken for love. That might be something to explore with your therapist?

I'm sorry, I know you're in pain. But I think you've got to work out your feelings so you can heal and prepare yourself to meet another young lady. Good luck.


Thanks HopeGrows.

I continue to think about this all and the responses everyone has given me. It really has given me different ways of looking at it, and to see better how she might see it. Last night I wrote her two not-to-be-sent letters. One was from my point of view and the other was from her perspective. I ripped up both and flushed them down the toilet. It felt good.

I am still far from being over this, but I am not obsessing over it like I was last week. Thanks all.



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14 Dec 2010, 1:41 pm

You're welcome, @TWP. Emotional healing is tricky business....it kind of happens in phases or waves. You think you're done with a particular feeling or feelings about a person, and another wave of emotion surges into your consciousness. (It can be so frustrating, cause you want to be done with it.)

But when you think about it, you realize that each "surge" is a bit less intense than the last, a bit shorter in duration. You just have to hang in, because some day the surge will be so small, you'll hardly notice it. Good luck.


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14 Dec 2010, 2:41 pm

IMO, she's being very unreasonable straight out blocking you like that, but all that shows is that she isn't worth your precious time. Indeed, time is the most valuable thing we possess. Don't waste yours on someone who doesn't even respect you.



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14 Dec 2010, 3:06 pm

Just remember the eternal wisdom of House M.D



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHtJfMB5u60[/youtube]



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14 Dec 2010, 3:10 pm

Laz wrote:
Just remember the eternal wisdom of House M.D



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHtJfMB5u60[/youtube]


I love House.

. . . wouldn't want to be him though.



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14 Dec 2010, 3:14 pm

Laz wrote:
Just remember the eternal wisdom of House M.D



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHtJfMB5u60[/youtube]


In case you need any further help(understanding that wisdom) you can allways try reading bro on the go or the bro code.
(Couldnt resist).


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15 Dec 2010, 1:04 pm

Part of my reason for my original post is because I was questioning my own ability to be reasonable. One conclusion I have come to is that most human beings believe themselves to be reasonable. Another conclusion I have made is that human beings who believe themselves to be reasonable sometimes are not as reasonable as they believe themselves to be. There may in fact be a continuum between being reasonable and unreasonable. I have to believe that I lie somewhere in that continuum.

Much of the obsessing I've been doing is pretty close to being unreasonable. The constant looking at her facebook page probably isn't doing me much good.

Yet desiring some mutual understanding between the two of us doesn't seem that unreasonable, given I don't obsess over it. The key word here is desiring. Expecting that mutual understanding might be a different story. Where expecting mutual understanding lies on the continuum, I hope is open for debate.

Another thing I have looked at is my belief that she has been unreasonable. Given my earlier conclusion, she fully believes that she is being reasonable. I am working my butt off to empathize with this (given my difficulties with empathy). There are things I know about her which I have not shared with the forum about her. Knowing these things, I can understand why she might feel like she is doing the reasonable thing.

Likewise, the court of popular opinion (that's you guys) believes themselves to be reasonable. I just have to ask everyone if they are as reasonable as they believe themselves to be.

Maybe this whole discussion is unreasonable on my part.



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15 Dec 2010, 1:26 pm

That's the key part -- reason.

Attraction isn't built on reason, it's not a rational (or not fully) decision -- it's based around a lot of other factors, many of them not ones you can reason through.

If someone isn't into someone, it's that simple -- you're never going to rationalize them into liking you, and you shouldn't want to, because it's a false victory.

I know very well how hard this is for you -- just soldier through it, because she isn't going to get any more reasonable. At this point, if I were you, I would be mortified and not want to talk to her anyways. My equivalent of your situation? Haven't talked to her in about 3 years, and while I've checked now and then (yes, I succumb too), I have resisted any urge to get back into contact, because the other person has made it clear through her actions that she is not interested in a friendship.



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15 Dec 2010, 4:23 pm

TheWeirdPig wrote:
Part of my reason for my original post is because I was questioning my own ability to be reasonable. One conclusion I have come to is that most human beings believe themselves to be reasonable. Another conclusion I have made is that human beings who believe themselves to be reasonable sometimes are not as reasonable as they believe themselves to be. There may in fact be a continuum between being reasonable and unreasonable. I have to believe that I lie somewhere in that continuum.

Much of the obsessing I've been doing is pretty close to being unreasonable. The constant looking at her facebook page probably isn't doing me much good.

Yet desiring some mutual understanding between the two of us doesn't seem that unreasonable, given I don't obsess over it. The key word here is desiring. Expecting that mutual understanding might be a different story. Where expecting mutual understanding lies on the continuum, I hope is open for debate.

Another thing I have looked at is my belief that she has been unreasonable. Given my earlier conclusion, she fully believes that she is being reasonable. I am working my butt off to empathize with this (given my difficulties with empathy). There are things I know about her which I have not shared with the forum about her. Knowing these things, I can understand why she might feel like she is doing the reasonable thing.

Likewise, the court of popular opinion (that's you guys) believes themselves to be reasonable. I just have to ask everyone if they are as reasonable as they believe themselves to be.

Maybe this whole discussion is unreasonable on my part.

it doesn't really matter if anyone is being reasonable. what matters is that your ex-girlfriend no longer wants you in her life, and she has a right to make that choice. she doesn't owe you anything, so it is really irrelevant whether anyone's thoughts, hopes, or expectations are reasonable at all.

she made a choice, and now that you fully understand the choice (at first you thought she wanted to be friends, and now you truly know she does not want any more contact), you don't have any acceptable recourse except to accept that choice and move on. whatever it takes, you must leave her alone and stop creeping her online pages and cyberstalking her. this will help her and it will help you.


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16 Dec 2010, 12:22 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
she doesn't owe you anything


That's debatable. Do you know that for certain? What if she does? What if she should?

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stop creeping her online pages and cyberstalking her. this will help her


How?



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16 Dec 2010, 12:24 pm

TheWeirdPig wrote:
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stop creeping her online pages and cyberstalking her. this will help her


How?


It won't help her at all, but it will help you get over her.



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16 Dec 2010, 12:39 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
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stop creeping her online pages and cyberstalking her. this will help her


How?


It won't help her at all, but it will help you get over her.


But what about ALL those posters that have said I've been HARMING her by looking at her profile? Was I really? I think you were all jumping to conclusions. Is jumping to conclusions really rational thought? (I'll argue that is is both rational and irrational).

My point is that we all make irrational assumptions. But underlying that irrationability lies some sort of reason.

And as it being harmful to me, it could be. But that's why I ask questions. I really do want to feel better.



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16 Dec 2010, 12:43 pm

TheWeirdPig wrote:
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stop creeping her online pages and cyberstalking her. this will help her


How?


It won't help her at all, but it will help you get over her.


But what about ALL those posters that have said I've been HARMING her by looking at her profile? Was I really? I think you were all jumping to conclusions. Is jumping to conclusions really rational thought? (I'll argue that is is both rational and irrational).

My point is that we all make irrational assumptions. But underlying that irrationability lies some sort of reason.

And as it being harmful to me, it could be. But that's why I ask questions. I really do want to feel better.


No, you're not really harming her. She probably thinks it's weird you keep going after her (though, as I said, she was unreasonable for suddenly blocking you in the first place IMO), but you're not harming anyone.



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16 Dec 2010, 12:56 pm

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She probably thinks it's weird you keep going after her.


Yes, but I know I'm weird (hence calling myself TheWeirdPig). I highly doubt I'm the only person on this WRONG PLANET that thinks of himself or herself as being weird.

Unfortunately, some people think weird equals harmful. I'm sure many people on this forum have fallen victim to this.



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16 Dec 2010, 3:34 pm

I doubt you've been harming her, she just doesn't want any more contact. The sooner you can accept this the better for you.



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16 Dec 2010, 5:25 pm

TheWeirdPig wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
she doesn't owe you anything


That's debatable. Do you know that for certain? What if she does? What if she should?

hyperlexian wrote:
stop creeping her online pages and cyberstalking her. this will help her


How?

it isn't debatable, actually. unless there is an incomplete financial transaction where she actually owes you money, or unless she still needs to give you some of your belongings, then she owes you nothing at all. relationships are not tit-for-tat situations with scales and balance sheets - they are mutual attachments that can end at any time. at any moment, one of the participants can simply walk away with no further conact - and that person would not owe anyone anything. no explanation is required. it is nice to get an explanation, but it won't always happen.

and she definitely does not owe you anything like a relationship anymore. i think she would not likely be very open to the possibility at this point, because (as other posters mentioned) you have probably freaked her out. the harder you push her, the less likely it is that she will ever, ever speak to you again. i personally think that you will push her away more and more by continuing to try to reach for her, as that seems to be what has happened so far.

if you cannot stop cyberstalking and creeping through force of will, then your therapist can help you stop. it would definitely be the healthiest route for you to take at this point.


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