Guys -- who would you choose? (Alternate scenario)

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14 Dec 2010, 11:06 am

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Girl 1 is 5'11'' and overweight, and sports a short bob hairstyle similar to Victoria Beckham. Girl one has a very feminine personality and never leaves the house without makeup and eyeliner. She spends her free time shopping and looking after her pet Terrier, named Situation. Her favorite artist is Taylor Swift, and she DVR's The Hills and loves to talk about Jersey Shore.

Girl 1 is a devout Christian but doesn't actively convert or judge others. She appears to have a caring personality, but she can be harsh during conversations. Girl 1 is a licensed makeup artist. She enjoys her job and hopes to start her own business. She is an avid cook, keeps things orderly but isn't a neat freak. Girl 1 wants a strictly monogamous relationship and has a circle of a few, close friends.


Girl 2

Girl 2 is 5'9'', has an incredibly attractive figure and long hair similar to Anna Kournikova. She wears mostly jeans and t-shirts, and only rarely dons makeup. Girl 2 is athletic and enjoys the outdoors. For recreation, she goes mudding, boulders, plays video games and beach volleyball. She is a recreational drinker and smokes pot socially.

Girl 2 has a lot of friends, but most of them haven't known her very long. Girl 2 is easy to talk too but a bit judgmental. She is working towards a two-year degree at a community college where she has a 2.6 GPA. She can't cook and dislikes cleaning. A majority of her friends are guys. Her friends who are girls think Girl 2 is promiscuous. Girl 2 prefers open relationships, but she is willing to go steady with the right guy.


Tough choice -- girl 1 is heavy and Christian, both no-no's for me (the heavy thing can be ok if it is voluptuous, but I don't need any judgmental, anti-science religious nuts in my life). The cooking and cleaning are both positives.

Girl 2 starts out well, but is a bit too lazy -- I'm lazy as well, and someone needs to do the cleaning, so you know things are going to fall apart around the house. Her low grades are also a cause for concern -- at that point in your academic career, you should know how to pull off B's, especially at a JC (which really is so easy that you should have almost straight A's). This means she either has a learning disability, a low IQ, or is just mentally lazy and unable to commit to a goal and see it through --- all factors that I wouldn't want to pass on to a child, should things ever go that far.

Looks are important, but so is IQ and effort. My girls tend to be 8 and above in all 3 measures.



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14 Dec 2010, 11:30 am

Yes, they are charactitures -- I was trying to see if If guys here cared about monogamous relationship or preferred open ones

And yes, I don't know very many women. Especially the party scene.

And I have very few actual relationships with women, but most of
Girl 2 is a druggie. I've known a lot of people who are 'recreational' drinkers and 'smoke socially', but who would be entirely honest about that? The extra interests should reflect this -- The Zen Motorcycle Diaries, The Big Lebowski, Warren The Ape, and that she's a practicing Wiccan. I have some 'unwanted' interactions with the Stoner crowd. I also insinuated that she likes to party. A 'red flag' was not that the female friends found her promiscuous, but that she had no friends who knew her for very long. Girl 2 has never read Nietzsche, but it's her 'favorite book'.This is loosely based on someone I knew casually. Also, Girl's 2 inability to commit to a non-open relationship should have been a Red flag.

Girl 1 is a career oriented woman. She likes Jersey Shore and is obsessive with makeup -- but it's also a career for her. 19 is very young to be a licensed cosmetologist. I tried to make her as off-putting as possible as far as interest goes, and the assumptions came in rather quickly. Note that I never said she 'watches' Jersey Shore, simply that she likes to talk about it. Girl 1 is simply trying to 'fit in' with her co-workers in this scenario. This is reflected in the books section: I put Twilight there to throw you off, but Agatha Christie and Nancy Drew suggests intellectual capacity and a commitment to feminism, albeit an uneducated one. Also note that her favorite movie is The Notebook. Girl 1 does suffer from some Self-Esteem issues, but she's far from needing validation.

So yes, It was a test to see if guys would notice these differences and not judge based on predisposed interests. It was also a test to see if we could judge on a case-by-case basis and not on past experiences.



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14 Dec 2010, 12:34 pm

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Yes, they are charactitures -- I was trying to see if If guys here cared about monogamous relationship or preferred open ones

And yes, I don't know very many women. Especially the party scene.

And I have very few actual relationships with women, but most of
Girl 2 is a druggie. I've known a lot of people who are 'recreational' drinkers and 'smoke socially', but who would be entirely honest about that? The extra interests should reflect this -- The Zen Motorcycle Diaries, The Big Lebowski, Warren The Ape, and that she's a practicing Wiccan. I have some 'unwanted' interactions with the Stoner crowd. I also insinuated that she likes to party. A 'red flag' was not that the female friends found her promiscuous, but that she had no friends who knew her for very long. Girl 2 has never read Nietzsche, but it's her 'favorite book'.This is loosely based on someone I knew casually. Also, Girl's 2 inability to commit to a non-open relationship should have been a Red flag.

Girl 1 is a career oriented woman. She likes Jersey Shore and is obsessive with makeup -- but it's also a career for her. 19 is very young to be a licensed cosmetologist. I tried to make her as off-putting as possible as far as interest goes, and the assumptions came in rather quickly. Note that I never said she 'watches' Jersey Shore, simply that she likes to talk about it. Girl 1 is simply trying to 'fit in' with her co-workers in this scenario. This is reflected in the books section: I put Twilight there to throw you off, but Agatha Christie and Nancy Drew suggests intellectual capacity and a commitment to feminism, albeit an uneducated one. Also note that her favorite movie is The Notebook. Girl 1 does suffer from some Self-Esteem issues, but she's far from needing validation.

So yes, It was a test to see if guys would notice these differences and not judge based on predisposed interests. It was also a test to see if we could judge on a case-by-case basis and not on past experiences.


Interesting to label her as a "druggie" -- what is your definition for that? What substances? Someone who drinks, smokes (tobacco or cannabis), or uses hallucinogens recreationally does not qualify to me as a druggie. A druggie to me is on a harder-core, much more addictive substance, like crack, cocaine, heroin, or meth. That's someone who isn't just entertaining themselves or living outside the box -- they're dependent and on the way down. Someone who does a couple of bong-loads every day? Not a druggie.

Girl 1 is too low-brow for me -- no college plans, kind of a vacant, consumer-culture robot. Not a bad person, but not anyone who could hold my interest for very long. If she doesn't find the Fermi paradox fascinating (or can't even understand an explanation), then no thanks.



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14 Dec 2010, 12:43 pm

I probably should have used 'Stoner'. I tried to insinuate that she wasn't being forthright by using vague terms.



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14 Dec 2010, 12:46 pm

Smokes weed daily, and drinks 5+ drinks once a week. May experiment with other drugs at parties.



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14 Dec 2010, 12:47 pm

I think Girl 1 actually can be a better prospect for a longer-term relationship like I say, but her career and faith is kinda off putting for me.



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14 Dec 2010, 1:24 pm

I've met a lot of Christian girls who were actually not really fundamentalist, and not actively trying to convert others/think excessively conservatively. I actually prefer girls who are christian, and I'm a diest. The term 'devout christian' can mean many different things, but some people who practice Christianity are actually charitable and well-rounded. Plus, it gives them incentive to work on the relationship as they view the bond more seriously.



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14 Dec 2010, 1:35 pm

Probably girl 1. I wouldn't want to go out with someone who does drugs and who would likely end up cheating on me.



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14 Dec 2010, 3:54 pm

billsmithglendale wrote:
Tough choice -- girl 1 is heavy and Christian, both no-no's for me (the heavy thing can be ok if it is voluptuous, but I don't need any judgmental, anti-science religious nuts in my life). The cooking and cleaning are both positives.

Thanks for calling me a judgmental, anti-science religious nut... :evil: I wonder who's the judgmental one now?



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14 Dec 2010, 4:01 pm

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billsmithglendale wrote:
Tough choice -- girl 1 is heavy and Christian, both no-no's for me (the heavy thing can be ok if it is voluptuous, but I don't need any judgmental, anti-science religious nuts in my life). The cooking and cleaning are both positives.

Thanks for calling me a judgmental, anti-science religious nut... :evil: I wonder who's the judgmental one now?

Most hardcore, fundamentalist Christians believe the word of the Good Book is the ONLY word to live by.



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14 Dec 2010, 4:09 pm

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billsmithglendale wrote:
Tough choice -- girl 1 is heavy and Christian, both no-no's for me (the heavy thing can be ok if it is voluptuous, but I don't need any judgmental, anti-science religious nuts in my life). The cooking and cleaning are both positives.

Thanks for calling me a judgmental, anti-science religious nut... :evil: I wonder who's the judgmental one now?

Most hardcore, fundamentalist Christians believe the word of the Good Book is the ONLY word to live by.


Where does it say she's a hardcore fundamentalist? In fact the OP states:

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Girl 1 is a devout Christian but doesn't actively convert or judge others.


Moreover, its the fact that she likes the Jersey Shore that's more of a nuisance for me than any faith she has...



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14 Dec 2010, 4:37 pm

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billsmithglendale wrote:
Tough choice -- girl 1 is heavy and Christian, both no-no's for me (the heavy thing can be ok if it is voluptuous, but I don't need any judgmental, anti-science religious nuts in my life). The cooking and cleaning are both positives.

Thanks for calling me a judgmental, anti-science religious nut... :evil: I wonder who's the judgmental one now?


Oh, I'm judgmental alright -- I'm just not judgmental in favor of spreading a bunch of fairy tales some primitives wrote thousands of years ago. Life has changed since then.

I'm also a pro-science nut -- that's my religion. It is very scary how purposefully ignorant people in this country have become in order to become more "Godly."

Btw, my observation --- most "Christians" don't actually follow Christ's teachings. Lots of pride, not much modesty, not willing to give unto Caesar what is his, and lots of persecution -- not a great advertisement for the religion, though I guess most religions aren't in any better shape.



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14 Dec 2010, 5:27 pm

Wow, I was gonna say KnowRainSupreme, the more you described Girl 2, the more confused I got. "Where did he meet her?" I'm glad she is just a caricature, because then I would have to scratch my head and think about everything I've learned about women like that. This is what I've learned about those two types of women.

Girl number 2 is usually submissive at heart, even though she initially appears to be dominant. Girl number 2 usually does not have a categorized taste in movies or music. Girl number 2 will either be an athlete, or a drinker and a smoker. She will not be both. Girls that go mudding and rock climbing are tall and rarely ever delve into drugs too much, and girls that are more into paintball and four wheeling tend to be short, about 5 foot to 5 foot 3, and also don't go too much into drugs (although alcohol isn't sacred). Tall pretty athletic tomboyish girls do tend to wear shorts and a T-Shirt, and the more into sports she is, the less she is into drugs. Some girls like this will play sports, but drugs and boys will win out in the end. Girl number 2 is often a Christian, although not very serious about it, mainly because she doesn't have time to deal with all God's wrath. The more a girl is into Christianity, the more submissive she will be. Girl number 2 is not overly submissive, but certainly enjoys it when a man takes control, almost too much.

Girl number 1 sees sexual intercourse as a form of validation, not so much as an expression of actual love. She will go back to having sex if she feels that she needs more confidence about herself. Girl number 1 does wait a while before having sex, but once she starts, it's very tough to make her go away. You are stuck with her for a while. Girl 1 does not have a short bob hairstyle if she loves makeup as much as you say, and certainly if she likes trendy artist and entertainment, then her hair will be long. Girl 1 is often an avid cook, but takes up this craft in hopes of attracting a mate for a long term monogamous relationship. Girl 1 has held in her anger for a long time, so if you date her for a long enough period of time, and have an argument, she can be very harsh, and will use her weight as leverage (hehe) in her argument. Girl 1 is so convinced that her weight discredits her from having a relationship that she will alienate guys that are good enough, and not even realize it, just because she has it in her head that men won't like her at the end of the day.

So in conclusion, Girl 1 is more dependent, and Girl 2 is more independent. Girl 1 would make a better wife in the long run, and Girl 2 would make a better friend. Girl 1 takes more time to get used to, but has more to offer, and Girl 2 is easy to get accustomed to, but only goes so far. It's like a high draft pick. Do you take the unpolished sophomore with unlimited potential and bad character issues, or do you take the runner up to the Player of the Year that can contribute to your team right away with his skill set, but probably won't become much more than that? You are the GM. Do you take the long term risk or the short term reward? What is your mission statement?



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14 Dec 2010, 5:49 pm

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So in conclusion, Girl 1 is more dependent, and Girl 2 is more independent. Girl 1 would make a better wife in the long run, and Girl 2 would make a better friend. Girl 1 takes more time to get used to, but has more to offer, and Girl 2 is easy to get accustomed to, but only goes so far. It's like a high draft pick. Do you take the unpolished sophomore with unlimited potential and bad character issues, or do you take the runner up to the Player of the Year that can contribute to your team right away with his skill set, but probably won't become much more than that? You are the GM. Do you take the long term risk or the short term reward? What is your mission statement?


Mindslave, I don't really agree with your analysis, but I like it, and the effort, and especially the comparison you did above. Hilarious and true!



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14 Dec 2010, 5:53 pm

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I'm also a pro-science nut -- that's my religion. It is very scary how purposefully ignorant people in this country have become in order to become more "Godly."
Would you say I'm anti-science? Not every christian out there is ignorant of these things, nor have any issue in reconciling the faith with what has been observed in the real world. Most christians see the creation story as allegory, it's just that the literalists are a very vocal minority so those are the ones you hear...

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Btw, my observation --- most "Christians" don't actually follow Christ's teachings. Lots of pride, not much modesty, not willing to give unto Caesar what is his, and lots of persecution -- not a great advertisement for the religion, though I guess most religions aren't in any better shape.
Unfortunately, there are quite a few that are like that. But most aren't. I don't know how equating all christians to fundamentalists got into your head, but that's the same line of thinking that spawned "all muslims are terrorists". I, for one, don't appreciate being generalized into the same group as those ignorant bible-thumpers...



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14 Dec 2010, 5:58 pm

She's someone who trying to come off as one of your friends -- but not. The girl I compared to her was obsessed with being 'that girl'. She was a user though. She took advantage of others, never actually rock-climbed or did many of the things she talked about. I tried to lay it down as if Girl 2 was deceitful from the beginning.

Honestly, the more I read about you the less I think you are who you claim you are. It perplexes me though, that you think it's 'unnatural' for anyone to be in a monogamous relationship.

The question I have is this: If you were in a relationship with Girl 2, and she had sex with another man, would you be angry? offended? Would she only need to tell you first?