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12 Jan 2011, 2:23 pm

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Is it the poor social skills that causes aspie men the most problems when it comes to dating?


Well, if I can offer myself as a data point, I look pretty good "on paper" - one would think that I could at least attract someone

And yet in my 40+ years on this planet, I still struggle to the point that I often think it's impossible for me to achieve anything in this regard.

Social skills, both verbal and non-verbal are by far my biggest deficit, and seem to be essentially canceling everything else out.

So the answer to your question, is "yes" - at least in my case.

But there's lots of Aspies who seem to do just fine, not sure what the difference is...



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12 Jan 2011, 2:40 pm

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so you saying emilon that the dating world is identical england and scotland to how it over in the states?


I don't see why it wouldn't be?
Dating in the western world is pretty much the same everywhere i'd imagine?


US, UK, Germany... I didn't experience any culture shock with dating.



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12 Jan 2011, 2:47 pm

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And yet in my 40+ years on this planet, I still struggle to the point that I often think it's impossible for me to achieve anything in this regard.

Social skills, both verbal and non-verbal are by far my biggest deficit, and seem to be essentially canceling everything else out.

As for people saying it gets better as I get older, now that you've said it, I can safely say this -

BS.

I'll just write myself off as a loss then. :(



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12 Jan 2011, 2:48 pm

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Grisha wrote:

And yet in my 40+ years on this planet, I still struggle to the point that I often think it's impossible for me to achieve anything in this regard.

Social skills, both verbal and non-verbal are by far my biggest deficit, and seem to be essentially canceling everything else out.

As for people saying it gets better as I get older, now that you've said it, I can safely say this -

BS.


Oh, you can predict the future now? :roll:



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12 Jan 2011, 2:55 pm

Well, I'm sorry if I now turned into a bitter aspie male. I've been slapped in the face by failure so many times that I can't keep track anymore. I scare women away, I sent messages on okcupid that go unreplied, I've been called a creep or emotionally cold.

I really need help but "help" just makes things worse. No matter how hard I try to be optimistic, failure will come back and visit me. I'm pretty much doomed. No girl will like me no matter how hard I try to better myself. I'm at breaking point now. I believe there's no one for me unless she's a prude or screwed up herself. I come from a sh***y family as well. I can't stop feeling sorry for myself, because my life is f****d no matter how I see it.



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12 Jan 2011, 2:57 pm

nthach wrote:
Grisha wrote:

And yet in my 40+ years on this planet, I still struggle to the point that I often think it's impossible for me to achieve anything in this regard.

Social skills, both verbal and non-verbal are by far my biggest deficit, and seem to be essentially canceling everything else out.

As for people saying it gets better as I get older, now that you've said it, I can safely say this -

BS.

I'll just write myself off as a loss then. :(


Do what you want, but I haven't written myself off as a loss, And I (arguably) have got a lot more reason to.



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12 Jan 2011, 2:57 pm

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Well, I'm sorry if I now turned into a bitter aspie male. I've been slapped in the face by failure so many times that I can't keep track anymore. I scare women away, I sent messages on okcupid that go unreplied, I've been called a creep or emotionally cold.

I really need help but "help" just makes things worse. No matter how hard I try to be optimistic, failure will come back and visit me. I'm pretty much doomed. No girl will like me no matter how hard I try to better myself. I'm at breaking point now. I believe there's no one for me unless she's a prude or screwed up herself. I come from a sh***y family as well. I can't stop feeling sorry for myself, because my life is f**** no matter how I see it.


You're 25. Relax.



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12 Jan 2011, 2:58 pm

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nthach wrote:
Well, I'm sorry if I now turned into a bitter aspie male. I've been slapped in the face by failure so many times that I can't keep track anymore. I scare women away, I sent messages on okcupid that go unreplied, I've been called a creep or emotionally cold.

I really need help but "help" just makes things worse. No matter how hard I try to be optimistic, failure will come back and visit me. I'm pretty much doomed. No girl will like me no matter how hard I try to better myself. I'm at breaking point now. I believe there's no one for me unless she's a prude or screwed up herself. I come from a sh***y family as well. I can't stop feeling sorry for myself, because my life is f**** no matter how I see it.


You're 25. Relax.


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12 Jan 2011, 2:58 pm

I think sometimes esspecially if your an aspie male it is very hard to figure out how to talk the right way to girls and how to behave around them in general.



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12 Jan 2011, 3:00 pm

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I think sometimes esspecially if your an aspie male it is very hard to figure out how to talk the right way to girls and how to behave around them in general.


It is for all men to begin with, it's something you have to learn and gain confidence in.
Lots of girls find that awkward-unsure thing attractive and cute anyway.



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12 Jan 2011, 3:01 pm

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nthach wrote:
Well, I'm sorry if I now turned into a bitter aspie male. I've been slapped in the face by failure so many times that I can't keep track anymore. I scare women away, I sent messages on okcupid that go unreplied, I've been called a creep or emotionally cold.

I really need help but "help" just makes things worse. No matter how hard I try to be optimistic, failure will come back and visit me. I'm pretty much doomed. No girl will like me no matter how hard I try to better myself. I'm at breaking point now. I believe there's no one for me unless she's a prude or screwed up herself. I come from a sh***y family as well. I can't stop feeling sorry for myself, because my life is f**** no matter how I see it.


You're 25. Relax.

But when people younger than you get into relationships and I HAVE NOT EVER DONE SO, that just speaks about how PATHETIC I am.



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12 Jan 2011, 3:01 pm

nthach wrote:
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nthach wrote:
Well, I'm sorry if I now turned into a bitter aspie male. I've been slapped in the face by failure so many times that I can't keep track anymore. I scare women away, I sent messages on okcupid that go unreplied, I've been called a creep or emotionally cold.

I really need help but "help" just makes things worse. No matter how hard I try to be optimistic, failure will come back and visit me. I'm pretty much doomed. No girl will like me no matter how hard I try to better myself. I'm at breaking point now. I believe there's no one for me unless she's a prude or screwed up herself. I come from a sh***y family as well. I can't stop feeling sorry for myself, because my life is f**** no matter how I see it.


You're 25. Relax.

But when people younger than you get into relationships and I HAVE NOT EVER DONE SO, that just speaks about how PATHETIC I am.


Stop comparing yourself to others and go at your own pace.
You don't need to match other people's pace.



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12 Jan 2011, 3:03 pm

Sorry i do not mean to bring this up again but i think with females all the men expects them to do is just look prittey and not say anything and wash clohthes etc........with women they expect men to jump through A LOT of hoops and be assertive and confident, they do expect a lot from men. man has to be the provider not a nervous wreck.


WOW wait it just hit me if an aspie male wants a better chance of getting a date he shold get a sex change :lol:



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12 Jan 2011, 3:15 pm

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Sorry i do not mean to bring this up again but i think with females all the men expects them to do is just look prittey and not say anything and wash clohthes etc........with women they expect men to jump through A LOT of hoops and be assertive and confident, they do expect a lot from men. man has to be the provider not a nervous wreck.


This is true. But as a fellow man, I wouldn't have much respect for a nervous wreck either.

Can't expect women to be attracted to a man you wouldn't put faith in.



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12 Jan 2011, 3:20 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Sorry i do not mean to bring this up again but i think with females all the men expects them to do is just look prittey and not say anything and wash clohthes etc........with women they expect men to jump through A LOT of hoops and be assertive and confident, they do expect a lot from men. man has to be the provider not a nervous wreck.


Oh dear, not another "all women have to do is look pretty and find a man to provide for them and their babies :wall: (ah, don't forget having sex with him and picking up his dirty underwear).

Women are human beings too, you know. They have a brain and will of their own. A lot of smart and educated men (and not only) expect to be able to have an intelligent conversation with a woman and don't see her as just a pretty ornament/housekeeper.

Your lack of success in dating has nothing to do with having AS and everything to do with the way you think and see women.


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12 Jan 2011, 3:32 pm

Sallamandrina wrote:
Jamesy wrote:
Sorry i do not mean to bring this up again but i think with females all the men expects them to do is just look prittey and not say anything and wash clohthes etc........with women they expect men to jump through A LOT of hoops and be assertive and confident, they do expect a lot from men. man has to be the provider not a nervous wreck.


Oh dear, not another "all women have to do is look pretty and find a man to provide for them and their babies :wall: (ah, don't forget having sex with him and picking up his dirty underwear).

Women are human beings too, you know. They have a brain and will of their own. A lot of smart and educated men (and not only) expect to be able to have an intelligent conversation with a woman and don't see her as just a pretty ornament/housekeeper.

Your lack of success in dating has nothing to do with having AS and everything to do with the way you think and see women.


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I'm about 90% driven away from this forum. I can't take this crap any more. Not only am I not like these "women" that you define, Jamesy, I literally know *no* women like this. None. Zip. Zero. Zilcho. NT or Aspie.