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17 Jun 2011, 1:27 pm

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We'd basically be hairless bonobo's


Exactly.


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17 Jun 2011, 1:31 pm

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i do think it is a negative thing to judge a person based on wealth because money is *not* a consistently accurate sign of ethics, morality, spiritual enlightenment, intelligence, emotional health, integrity, hardworking tendencies, character, ability to provide.... etc.... money is transient but qualities like that tend to linger and underlie all of our actions in a much more important way.


Exactly, that's why I would never go for a girl like metaphysics. A girl who consider money as a first priority in a man only see men as wallets on legs. Anything else about me as a human would have a little value for her, this is something I cannot tolerate.

That's a final red flag for me, I would never ever go for a such girl even if she begs me to do so.



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17 Jun 2011, 1:32 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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If we were all built the same as you suggest, society and life would be much different. In fact, I assert that if our drive to procreate was naturally part of every single human in existence, we would probably still be making stone tools and living in caves.


The most important question is why humans evolved intelligence.

Because in early days some primates needed intelligence as a means of survival, in a harsh environment.
Intelligence become an attractive trait in the opposite sex as a result. In modern times money
is a very consistent indicator of intelligence.



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17 Jun 2011, 1:34 pm

^^ evolutionary speaking, you are making sense, but I want to be anti-nature in that regards.



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17 Jun 2011, 1:35 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
If we were all built the same as you suggest, society and life would be much different. In fact, I assert that if our drive to procreate was naturally part of every single human in existence, we would probably still be making stone tools and living in caves.


The most important question is why humans evolved intelligence.

Because in early days some primates needed intelligence as a means of survival, in a harsh environment.
Intelligence become an attractive trait in the opposite sex as a result. In modern times money
is a very consistent indicator of intelligence.


The leading theory on why we evolved the intelligence we did is rapid climate change, this is true. However, survival in a harsh environment is hardly the same as an instinct to duplicate.


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17 Jun 2011, 1:37 pm

Their was some research done that proved that woman are attracted to a wealthy man
even if it was for just a one night stand. It isn't the matter of wanting money from a
man and just putting up with the man to get it.

They subconsciousness see wealthy man as better breading stock, and this results on
being more attracted to them. Why should there be any morality put on who we are
more likely to be attracted to.



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17 Jun 2011, 1:39 pm

this is kinda depressing, what about to save this thread by splitting it in two? we call the other thread: "rich-man women vs human-man women".

MOOOOOOOG!! !



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17 Jun 2011, 1:40 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
Their was some research done that proved that woman are attracted to a wealthy man
even if it was for just a one night stand. It isn't the matter of wanting money from a
man and just putting up with the man to get it.

They subconsciousness see wealthy man as better breading stock, and this results on
being more attracted to them. Why should there be any morality put on who we are
more likely to be attracted to.


You shouldn't put much stock in studies that generalize something so subjective.


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17 Jun 2011, 1:41 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
this is kinda depressing, what about to save this thread by splitting it in two?

MOOOOOOOG!! !


Sorry, I'll stop. :(


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17 Jun 2011, 1:43 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
If we were all built the same as you suggest, society and life would be much different. In fact, I assert that if our drive to procreate was naturally part of every single human in existence, we would probably still be making stone tools and living in caves.


The most important question is why humans evolved intelligence.

Because in early days some primates needed intelligence as a means of survival, in a harsh environment.
Intelligence become an attractive trait in the opposite sex as a result. In modern times money
is a very consistent indicator of intelligence.


The leading theory on why we evolved the intelligence we did is rapid climate change, this is true. However, survival in a harsh environment is hardly the same as an instinct to duplicate.


Our instinct to duplicate and living in a harsh environment are highly linked. If you have have stupid children with a stupid men in a harsh environment then those children would have a slim chance surviving to adulthood. The choice of man to suit the environment is very important



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17 Jun 2011, 1:50 pm

Sorry I have to go now.
But I feel like your arguments are morally charged. Science has no moral aims. It may prove that men
are smarter then woman and white men are smarter then black.



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17 Jun 2011, 1:55 pm

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I think they are more idealistic. 'Western girls' in your view.Can they do so in their real life? They can say so. I can say so also if I want to pretending.

But there is no point to pretending here.

Women from the whole world can be materialistic or not be so. It depends on individuals, experiences, different ways of thinking. We can hardly say that some women from a side of the earth are more materialistic than some from the other part of it....But modern Capitalist society may have huge impact on it.

there may be a cultural difference where you are, although aren't many people in your culture Buddhist?

i make my own money and i was the major breadwinner for several years while my husband was an artist and a philosopher (a bookstore owner too). there are more important things in the world than money. he had something he needed to share with the world, in terms of ideas and art, and i was happy to help him on that journey. he contributed to our household in his own way, and he took care of our child too.

i wasn't wealthy either, but i was content to support him as well as i could. now he is a salesman and has his own career too.

idealistic? not really. for me it was real life.


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17 Jun 2011, 2:08 pm

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The fact I won't ask them. The truth is that I'm not physically attractive enough for women to approach, and since I'm not attracted to them, I end up sans date. Luckily, I'm asexual so I'm ok with this arrangement.


Most women don't approach men.



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17 Jun 2011, 2:12 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ evolutionary speaking, you are making sense, but I want to be anti-nature in that regards.

yes. exactly. what we generally refer to as "instinct" is not unstoppable urges - it is biological drives informed and influenced by social and cultural norms. we may feel the urges, but how we act on the urges is quite flexible. people can consciously choose to rise above the norms and the social expectations. many do not make that choice, but they do have the option.


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17 Jun 2011, 2:19 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ evolutionary speaking, you are making sense, but I want to be anti-nature in that regards.

yes. exactly. what we generally refer to as "instinct" is not unstoppable urges - it is biological drives informed and influenced by social and cultural norms. we may feel the urges, but how we act on the urges is quite flexible. people can consciously choose to rise above the norms and the social expectations. many do not make that choice, but they do have the option.


Very well said, hyperlexian. As usual!



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17 Jun 2011, 2:24 pm

mv wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ evolutionary speaking, you are making sense, but I want to be anti-nature in that regards.

yes. exactly. what we generally refer to as "instinct" is not unstoppable urges - it is biological drives informed and influenced by social and cultural norms. we may feel the urges, but how we act on the urges is quite flexible. people can consciously choose to rise above the norms and the social expectations. many do not make that choice, but they do have the option.


Very well said, hyperlexian. As usual!

thanks, heh.


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