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19 Aug 2011, 12:45 am

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Either way, I have no idea what an autistic clown looks like. Hmm. Any references? I honestly do not think many women would mind, only the really superficial / insecure ones. If you get to really like someone, why would you care what other people think. That is just silly.


I could probably find better (worse), but I think I look particularly Aspie in this one:

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speaking of Radiohead... at a glance I'm seeing a little of Ed O'Brien

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19 Aug 2011, 1:07 am

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I believe it's a big part of the problem of all posters here.


Yeah, but no one really wants to talk about it because I think it's an irreducible aspect of our disability that essentially can't be changed.


I sense that, too.

I'm sorry your perceptions are so extreme right now, Grisha, I doubt you're really an "autistic clown".

{{awkward Aspie pat on the back}}


Have you guys tried any kind of mindful movement based exercise, a martial art or something? Tai Chi really helped me use my body more effectively and fluidly. Aikido seems to be helping some too. Yoga?


^^ I concur. When I was in Junior High/H.S., I was too uncoordinated to play basketball, though my build suited me better for this sport. Instead, I joined the wrestling team. Actually, my mom signed me up, but that's another story. Anyway, after 6 years of wrestling, my coordination was dramatically improved. It's a very body/movement/mindful based sport, and I can see a martial art helping a lot.



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19 Aug 2011, 8:48 am

bucephalus wrote:
Grisha wrote:
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Either way, I have no idea what an autistic clown looks like. Hmm. Any references? I honestly do not think many women would mind, only the really superficial / insecure ones. If you get to really like someone, why would you care what other people think. That is just silly.


I could probably find better (worse), but I think I look particularly Aspie in this one:

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speaking of Radiohead... at a glance I'm seeing a little of Ed O'Brien

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Thanks! I can kind of see that, only without the good looks, talent, and fame... :wink:



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19 Aug 2011, 11:10 am

To me, it's all about the lack of facial expression and the way you're holding your arms.

Honestly, though, I recall seeing another photo of you somewhere (it may have been in the Adult Autism forum) and clearly remember thinking "Now, there's a guy who is making his autism work for him." Your hair was a little wild and messed up looking, you were stylishly dressed, sort of intense-looking and had an artsy/cool, liberal college professor air about you. Or, maybe a hip musician or something? I'm not sure.

My point is, some people are able to make their eccentricities cool or at least acceptable and you'd looked like you were doing that. There are upsides and downsides to having AS, things that are attractive and not-so attractive, and you looked like you were playing up the positives. I'm not sure how to put my finger on it or what you were doing other than dressing and styling your hair in a way that worked for how you might carry yourself. I don't know, maybe you've just got the 'aspie it factor'? lol



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19 Aug 2011, 11:24 am

We can't know "how much aspie" you are with a photo, this is ridiculous.

Unless if by the aspie look you mean geek/nerd look, then no, you don't look that 'aspie'.



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19 Aug 2011, 11:48 am

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To me, it's all about the lack of facial expression and the way you're holding your arms.

Honestly, though, I recall seeing another photo of you somewhere (it may have been in the Adult Autism forum) and clearly remember thinking "Now, there's a guy who is making his autism work for him." Your hair was a little wild and messed up looking, you were stylishly dressed, sort of intense-looking and had an artsy/cool, liberal college professor air about you. Or, maybe a hip musician or something? I'm not sure.

My point is, some people are able to make their eccentricities cool or at least acceptable and you'd looked like you were doing that. There are upsides and downsides to having AS, things that are attractive and not-so attractive, and you looked like you were playing up the positives. I'm not sure how to put my finger on it or what you were doing other than dressing and styling your hair in a way that worked for how you might carry yourself. I don't know, maybe you've just got the 'aspie it factor'? lol


Maybe it was this one? I've worked very hard on my appearance because it's one of the things I have control over...

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19 Aug 2011, 11:53 am

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We can't know "how much aspie" you are with a photo, this is ridiculous.

Unless if by the aspie look you mean geek/nerd look, then no, you don't look that 'aspie'.


Yeah, I think I'm barking up the wrong tree here - judging from all the reponses there's probably not too much more I can do appearance-wise. Sure not all women like my look, but hopefully the right kind will...



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19 Aug 2011, 12:01 pm

I don't know how someone can look too aspie to be honest. The only thing I can get from that photo is that perhaps you were a little bit grumpy.

blueroses wrote:
To me, it's all about the lack of facial expression and the way you're holding your arms.

Honestly, though, I recall seeing another photo of you somewhere (it may have been in the Adult Autism forum) and clearly remember thinking "Now, there's a guy who is making his autism work for him." Your hair was a little wild and messed up looking, you were stylishly dressed, sort of intense-looking and had an artsy/cool, liberal college professor air about you. Or, maybe a hip musician or something? I'm not sure.

My point is, some people are able to make their eccentricities cool or at least acceptable and you'd looked like you were doing that. There are upsides and downsides to having AS, things that are attractive and not-so attractive, and you looked like you were playing up the positives. I'm not sure how to put my finger on it or what you were doing other than dressing and styling your hair in a way that worked for how you might carry yourself. I don't know, maybe you've just got the 'aspie it factor'? lol


I don't understand how looking like one of those cool, hip, 'artsy' types is a good thing.



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19 Aug 2011, 12:06 pm

To me, Grisha, you seem to have a very soulful look. No, I can't even expand upon that, being an atheist... :oops: :roll:

I mean that you have beautiful-looking eyes (for a whitie) and especially in the Vegas picture, you look very put-together.



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19 Aug 2011, 12:17 pm

Freak-Z wrote:
I don't know how someone can look too aspie to be honest. The only thing I can get from that photo is that perhaps you were a little bit grumpy.

blueroses wrote:
To me, it's all about the lack of facial expression and the way you're holding your arms.

Honestly, though, I recall seeing another photo of you somewhere (it may have been in the Adult Autism forum) and clearly remember thinking "Now, there's a guy who is making his autism work for him." Your hair was a little wild and messed up looking, you were stylishly dressed, sort of intense-looking and had an artsy/cool, liberal college professor air about you. Or, maybe a hip musician or something? I'm not sure.

My point is, some people are able to make their eccentricities cool or at least acceptable and you'd looked like you were doing that. There are upsides and downsides to having AS, things that are attractive and not-so attractive, and you looked like you were playing up the positives. I'm not sure how to put my finger on it or what you were doing other than dressing and styling your hair in a way that worked for how you might carry yourself. I don't know, maybe you've just got the 'aspie it factor'? lol


I don't understand how looking like one of those cool, hip, 'artsy' types is a good thing.

It isnt a good thing or a bad thing but its better than looking like someone that seems to be too oldfashioned because while being old fashioned may not be a bad thing to some people it sends the signal that you are stuck in the past and unwilling to move on which isnt good when it comes to dating.


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19 Aug 2011, 12:19 pm

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I mean that you have beautiful-looking eyes (for a whitie) and especially in the Vegas picture, you look very put-together.


Agreed.


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19 Aug 2011, 12:21 pm

spongy wrote:
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I don't know how someone can look too aspie to be honest. The only thing I can get from that photo is that perhaps you were a little bit grumpy.

blueroses wrote:
To me, it's all about the lack of facial expression and the way you're holding your arms.

Honestly, though, I recall seeing another photo of you somewhere (it may have been in the Adult Autism forum) and clearly remember thinking "Now, there's a guy who is making his autism work for him." Your hair was a little wild and messed up looking, you were stylishly dressed, sort of intense-looking and had an artsy/cool, liberal college professor air about you. Or, maybe a hip musician or something? I'm not sure.

My point is, some people are able to make their eccentricities cool or at least acceptable and you'd looked like you were doing that. There are upsides and downsides to having AS, things that are attractive and not-so attractive, and you looked like you were playing up the positives. I'm not sure how to put my finger on it or what you were doing other than dressing and styling your hair in a way that worked for how you might carry yourself. I don't know, maybe you've just got the 'aspie it factor'? lol


I don't understand how looking like one of those cool, hip, 'artsy' types is a good thing.

It isnt a good thing or a bad thing but its better than looking like someone that seems to be too oldfashioned because while being old fashioned may not be a bad thing to some people it sends the signal that you are stuck in the past and unwilling to move on which isnt good when it comes to dating.


Says who? move on? why does someone need to move on exactly? give me old fashioned over hip and cool any day of the week. It only looks better if you are one of those mindless people who conform to the the notions of cool.



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19 Aug 2011, 1:17 pm

Freak-Z wrote:
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I don't know how someone can look too aspie to be honest. The only thing I can get from that photo is that perhaps you were a little bit grumpy.

blueroses wrote:
To me, it's all about the lack of facial expression and the way you're holding your arms.

Honestly, though, I recall seeing another photo of you somewhere (it may have been in the Adult Autism forum) and clearly remember thinking "Now, there's a guy who is making his autism work for him." Your hair was a little wild and messed up looking, you were stylishly dressed, sort of intense-looking and had an artsy/cool, liberal college professor air about you. Or, maybe a hip musician or something? I'm not sure.

My point is, some people are able to make their eccentricities cool or at least acceptable and you'd looked like you were doing that. There are upsides and downsides to having AS, things that are attractive and not-so attractive, and you looked like you were playing up the positives. I'm not sure how to put my finger on it or what you were doing other than dressing and styling your hair in a way that worked for how you might carry yourself. I don't know, maybe you've just got the 'aspie it factor'? lol


I don't understand how looking like one of those cool, hip, 'artsy' types is a good thing.

It isnt a good thing or a bad thing but its better than looking like someone that seems to be too oldfashioned because while being old fashioned may not be a bad thing to some people it sends the signal that you are stuck in the past and unwilling to move on which isnt good when it comes to dating.


Says who? move on? why does someone need to move on exactly? give me old fashioned over hip and cool any day of the week. It only looks better if you are one of those mindless people who conform to the the notions of cool.

Move on from a past that the other person isnt a part of,previous partners...
I once heard the advice that you should be carefull when dating a widow/er because some of them tend to make comparisons between the actual partner and the deceased one and not everyone can live up to their expectations.

As for who says it I first heard it from a psychologist on one of those makeover shows, not the most reliable source I know but in my opinion it seems to hold some truth and thats why I mentioned it as a possible bad side of dressing in a old fashioned manner.

If it was someone your age buying vintage clothes there's nothing wrong with that but if you were wearing the exact same clothing items in 20 years some people would wonder whats wrong(Im not saying that anything has to be wrong but some love to speculate about anything that strikes them as odd.)


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19 Aug 2011, 2:29 pm

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give me old fashioned over hip and cool any day of the week. It only looks better if you are one of those mindless people who conform to the the notions of cool.


Describing someone who doesn't agree with your sense of style as "mindless" is about as elitist as you can get. Do you really want everyone in the world to be just like you?



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19 Aug 2011, 2:47 pm

For me, a person's past and current status of his/her social life is the best indicator of how 'aspie' the person is.

An aspie always has/had a vivid social life, with a lot of friends, a girl/boyfriend, outings, texting, calling, social events, parties, pubbing, clubbing is most likely less autistic than an apsie who pass almost all his weekends alone, going to events such restaurants or movies alone.

Also the relationship stages he/she passes through life is also an indicator.

An aspie who starts getting dates at 16 (like most NTs), getting serial relationships (lot gfs/bfs) during his teens and his 20s (like most NTs) and even getting engaged/married or even closely to that at late 20s/mid 30s (like most NT) , had at least some sex life (unless if he's too religious) is most likely less autistic than an aspies who turned 30 totally dateless or an aspie who dies virgin.

Also in term of financial success, an aspie who's making high income is less autistic than an aspie who can't hold a job. Savant autistics with genius skills are exceptions.

So, to me:

Aspie + active social life + friends + love life + sex life + good in income =~An NT who just nags more than the regular NT or an NT with few "autistic-like" symptoms (teehee...right) or just an emo.

Aspie - active social life - friends - love life -sex life - good income = a person who lacks a fundamental human element.



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19 Aug 2011, 2:56 pm

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Aspie - active social life - friends - love life -sex life - good income = a person who lacks a fundamental human element.


This pretty much describes me (although I've had some good luck on the income front) - I'm pretty high functioning in most respects, but extremely low-functioning socially.

I actually had someone insult me for having "no friends or loved ones" very recently - that hurt - I think it's one of the things that put me in my latest funk...