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30 Aug 2011, 4:02 pm

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Seems to me that indifference makes some women like you a lot. Not sure what the deal with that is but my obliviousness comes off as indifference and gets responses.


I may be able to shed some light on this...

Some women are used to men falling at their feet and one doesn't, they become interested. It's a challenge. Also, sometimes it's because the indifference is perceived as more passive. Less passive women will tend to gravitate towards this.


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30 Aug 2011, 4:23 pm

I can't believe this thread took off. When I actually put in a little effort about things I actually care about, no one gives a damn :P


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30 Aug 2011, 4:59 pm

This is a truism regarding human females.

You can't judge a book by it's cover, but you can tell how much it's going to cost.



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30 Aug 2011, 5:29 pm

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I can't believe this thread took off. When I actually put in a little effort about things I actually care about, no one gives a damn :P


Now now... you know that's not true. :lol:


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30 Aug 2011, 7:17 pm

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This is a truism regarding human females.

You can't judge a book by it's cover, but you can tell how much it's going to cost.


ROFL



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30 Aug 2011, 7:49 pm

Mikelight wrote:
Seems to me that indifference makes some women like you a lot. Not sure what the deal with that is but my obliviousness comes off as indifference and gets responses.


I think my air of indifference causes relief... :wink:



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30 Aug 2011, 10:18 pm

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I can't believe this thread took off. When I actually put in a little effort about things I actually care about, no one gives a damn :P


Well you asked for people to read it for you! Wish granted! Next time if you're looking for enlightenment I'd ask people to read something not requiring a rustle through Chase Amante's peculiar brain contents!



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30 Aug 2011, 11:56 pm

These form of mind games are abusive and doesn't make me want to chase but run away.

Those are flags of someone who is an insecure controlling sadistic type. Only those who are cruel and view women as just objects think those mind games are the best way so ladies if you come across these as*holes, don't chase...RUN!



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31 Aug 2011, 2:25 am

Hmm, I found the article to be little more than a 4000 word plug for the dude's book. Here's the thing with this sort of approach in my opinion. It acts as a filter that only allows a certain type of woman through. It's not a universal, magic solution.



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31 Aug 2011, 5:04 am

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Moog wrote:
I can't believe this thread took off. When I actually put in a little effort about things I actually care about, no one gives a damn :P


Well you asked for people to read it for you! Wish granted! Next time if you're looking for enlightenment I'd ask people to read something not requiring a rustle through Chase Amante's peculiar brain contents!


Can someone to read the Tetrabiblos for me :P


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31 Aug 2011, 5:20 am

Women who are already interested can be as direct as men if they sense you are rejecting them or indifferent to them. Not that Ive ever done it intentionally for that effect.

To get a woman who isn't interested to chase you? Steal her purse.



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31 Aug 2011, 6:16 am

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To get a woman who isn't interested to chase you? Steal her purse.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8ioa_7axug[/youtube]


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31 Aug 2011, 8:09 am

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Hmm, I found the article to be little more than a 4000 word plug for the dude's book. Here's the thing with this sort of approach in my opinion. It acts as a filter that only allows a certain type of woman through. It's not a universal, magic solution.


My major criticism of the PUA approach, it not only does it only appeal to a certain kind of woman, it presents a false impression of who you actually are which will inevitably backfire. It's only useful/appropriate for one-night-stands or "flings" and pretty much useless for "real" relationships...



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31 Aug 2011, 8:31 am

Grisha wrote:
AsteroidNap wrote:
Hmm, I found the article to be little more than a 4000 word plug for the dude's book. Here's the thing with this sort of approach in my opinion. It acts as a filter that only allows a certain type of woman through. It's not a universal, magic solution.


My major criticism of the PUA approach, it not only does it only appeal to a certain kind of woman, it presents a false impression of who you actually are which will inevitably backfire. It's only useful/appropriate for one-night-stands or "flings" and pretty much useless for "real" relationships...


*nods* Yes. That's my take on it as well.



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31 Aug 2011, 9:20 am

Hey Moog. Thanks as always for sharing my articles.

To those concerned with the "sales-ness" of the article...yes, there's a book to sell, but the fact that I support myself through my site is only an added benefit to being able to write about content I love and engage with like-minded people.

Moog can attest that I am ALWAYS willing to discuss this information in more detail for absolutely free. I live and breath this stuff, and I don't back-down from any criticism.

Don't believe me? E-mail me about anything in regards to personal development and I will give a carefully thought-out response: [email protected]. I'm not just in this for a quick buck.

That being said, let me address a few criticisms in this thread:


TheygoMew wrote:
These form of mind games are abusive and doesn't make me want to chase but run away.

Those are flags of someone who is an insecure controlling sadistic type. Only those who are cruel and view women as just objects think those mind games are the best way so ladies if you come across these as*holes, don't chase...RUN!



What "mind games" are you referring to? Did you read the article or did you just regurgitate your prejudices about the Pick-Up Community? The reason being is I constantly hear this criticism from people, but when I prod further they seem to know very little about just how varied individuals in the PU community really are.

Are there some sadistic, narcissists in the community? Absolutely. Is everyone in the community mentally messed up? Far from it - that would be a very narrow and blinding generalization about a bunch of people who I doubt you really know.

This isn't geared toward you specifically TheygoMew, but I always find it ironic when people are more than happy to accept personal development advice, but when it is framed in the context of "how to interact better with women" that all-of-a-sudden makes it selfish and narcissistic.

Some women will complain on one side of their mouth that they "wish there were better men out there" and then complain on the other side when men actually take an active and conscious role to be better romantics. Some people you truly can't please.

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Hmm, I found the article to be little more than a 4000 word plug for the dude's book. Here's the thing with this sort of approach in my opinion. It acts as a filter that only allows a certain type of woman through. It's not a universal, magic solution.


Yes there is a book for sale, but a 4,000 word plug? Chase didn't even mention his book ONCE throughout the course of the interview - it's only talked about when I bring it up. I won't deny that there is an intent to sell, but this is a cheap-shot at the information Chase provides in the article.

Also, in regards to the bolded text, this is a criticism you can make about literally anything, but that doesn't mean it can't be really helpful for many people. If you're looking for "magic solutions" then you're going to find yourself dismissing every piece of information and advice that comes your way. Ultimately, it's a dangerous and self-defeating criticism.


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My major criticism of the PUA approach, it not only does it only appeal to a certain kind of woman, it presents a false impression of who you actually are which will inevitably backfire. It's only useful/appropriate for one-night-stands or "flings" and pretty much useless for "real" relationships...


This is a fair criticism. A lot of PUA material (and personal development material, more broadly) has to do with a bit of personality change.

But what is your personality anyway? Upon reflection you'll find it's not a static and fixed thing, it is constantly changing and evolving in the face of new experiences and information. Who you were 10 years ago is probably quite different than who you are today. And who you will be in 10 years will probably be quite different from who you are today.

Changes are inevitable, the only difference is PUA material (and personal development) is about playing a more conscious role in a process that is happening to you whether you are aware of it or not.

I've personally changed a lot over the past 6 years I've been involved with this stuff, but it was a concious and organic change. In many ways, I am still the same. I still have the same goofy personality, eclectic tastes, and awkward demeanor, but I've learned how to express it in a way that benefits my social interactions in a way that I could NEVER achieve if I didn't play a conscious role in who I become.

Be very careful in the belief of a "fixed self" - Buddhists often identify this as the very cause of suffering itself.




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Cheers to everyone who shared their thoughts. I'll check back if anyone has anything else to add.



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31 Aug 2011, 10:01 am

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Some women will complain on one side of their mouth that they "wish there were better men out there" and then complain on the other side when men actually take an active and conscious role to be better romantics. Some people you truly can't please.


This is a rhetorical fallacy.

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AsteroidNap wrote:
Hmm, I found the article to be little more than a 4000 word plug for the dude's book. Here's the thing with this sort of approach in my opinion. It acts as a filter that only allows a certain type of woman through. It's not a universal, magic solution.


Yes there is a book for sale, but a 4,000 word plug? Chase didn't even mention his book ONCE throughout the course of the interview - it's only talked about when I bring it up. I won't deny that there is an intent to sell, but this is a cheap-shot at the information Chase provides in the article.

Also, in regards to the bolded text, this is a criticism you can make about literally anything, but that doesn't mean it can't be really helpful for many people. If you're looking for "magic solutions" then you're going to find yourself dismissing every piece of information and advice that comes your way. Ultimately, it's a dangerous and self-defeating criticism.


There was little of substance in your article. Sorry. That is why it reads like a plug, and you said yourself that it was 4000 words. Thus my comment. I appreciate your willingness to take additional questions, though.

As for the bolded text, I was referring to the propensity of such PUA works to come off as universal, magic solutions. Most people don't realize that these sorts of works only filter for women with a very narrow set of psychological characteristics. I'm certainly sophisticated enough to know there are no such things as magic, universal solutions for dating in general.