I wonder what will happen to physical beauty?

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except that fat people are attractive too.... just not to YOU.

Yes. The "people are gluttons" hypothesis depends on people suddenly becoming gluttons in the late 70's/early 80's when obesity started to really take off. Rather than human behaviour going through an en masse change 30 years ago, it is far more plausible that what went through a change was our food. I think obesity is a problem not because of looks, but because it is the external evidence that enormous numbers of people are suffering from malnutrition masked by high-calorie crap. That malnutrition is a real problem, not how anybody looks.

What/where did I say something to warrant that response?

I was talking about health issues. Fat people should think about that first and foremost, NOT about how they are percieved by others. Being fat and having health issues are linked. The evidence is as ironclad as evidence that smoking causes lung cancer or tanning beds causes melanoma. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial.

EXACTLY!! !! It's completely about denial.

The biggest worry is not about attraction (except for the people like me who aren't attracted to overweight people), the big worry is really the health. Yes people do live much longer than before, but the quality of life of so many people is completely horrible when they get old. A part of this is due to our genetics but another part is due to the horrible way people eat nowadays and that we've become so sedentary.

The thing that we have to keep in mind though is that everybody as their weakness, for some it's shyness, for some it's addiction, for some it's lazyness, for some it's food. So we have to accept differences.

But it doesn't mean that being overweight should be ignored as a medical issue!! This is an important issue! The big problem comes from the crap companies put in the food, the consumerism marketing and the very bad tips that the governments give to people. I still don't understand how doctors can give food high in sugar to people with diabetes 2 when by definition they are intolerant to sugar. That's nonsense! These doctors pretend that everybody absolutely need sugar to function, but they are wrong, the body can produce energy from fat very efficiently. Using fat as an energy source prevent any increase of insulin so people get better! Diabetes can be fixed, but doctors are conventional people so they follow thee government food pyramid norm. Btw, I'm not saying that everybody should eat only fat, but people with diabetes should because they are intolerant to carbs!

So the problem is really a general society-wise problem, people just follow the trend and the norms. But some people are naturally thin and some rare other people find their own way to eat out of the norm to maintain good health. I want to the date unconventional and healthy-minded individual, so I shouldn't worry much about my future lover getting really overweight.

by saying that "attractiveness is a secondary consideration" you are implying that fat people are less attractive in your opinion. am i wrong?

I think he means that attractiveness comes in second to health. That being healthy is more important than worrying about what kind of body shape you have. So being fat might be attractive to some but the real question is: is it healthy for them?

i see that part, but i also picked up that he was implying that attractiveness is still a consideration, just a secondary one.

EDIT: of course, if he doesn't think that, then i have misunderstood.

for some poeple, overweight and obesity is a health concern. for other people, underweight is the concern. that kinda goes without saying. what we're talking about here is attractiveness.

Overweight people, underweight people, and optimal weight people can either be attractive or unattractive, depending on the person. I don't there is a size that is inherantly attractive or not.

Back in the day, when Designing Women was on - remember that show? - I, and most people I knew considered Delta Burke more attractive than Dixie Carter. The character of Julia Sugabaker (Dixie) was more attractive than the character of Suzanne Sugarbaker (Delta) because of how the personalities were written. Also, the clothing that the characters wore. However, if you decked out each actress and put her on the runway side by side, most people I knew thought Delta would win hands down. Delta was the overweight one.

Contrast that to Roseanne and Jackie on the show Roseanne. Roseanne isn't pretty. The actress who plays Jackie is. This is my opinion. I liked the character Roseanne played more than I did Jackie, - I can't remember the actress's name - but I think side by side, dressed up for the Oscars, etc, the Jackie actress is prettier than Roseanne.

I don't like Rosie O'Donnal's personality about her politics, I think she's abrasive about them rather than persuasive, but I think she's very pretty.

It's not a size that's pretty or not. It's an individual.

Doesn't it seem like 'fat people' are the last prejudice it is OK to have?

The tone people use when talking about people who are 'overweight' (when actually, as multiple people have pointed out, it is the norm) makes it obvious they have some prejudice there. They often couch it in "health concerns." Do thin people never get sick?

Actually what harms health is yo yo dieting, or weight that fluctuates a lot. Yes, some risks go up when weight does. But that's also true of being too thin. It is just that more people are overweight than underweight, so it becomes 'an issue.'

People also wrongly assume that everyone can be thin if they just tried. Not everyone can. Whether it's genetics, or lack of access to healthier foods, or actual health conditions such as thyroid or other metabolic disorders, not everyone can be thin.

But people who hate on 'fat people' hate on them anyway.

Thanks for the lecture, but if that were true, there wouldn't be so many fat people.
Nice job, Sherlock.

Maybe learn a bit more about food availability/deserts, endocrine disruption as caused by industrialized environments, and wealth disparities before opining about what's easy versus hard for other people?

A thought.

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"Linked" =/= synonymous, so discussion of the two as if they were is an exercise in hypothetical masturbation.
Even laymen outside academic discussions usually know the "correlation vs causation" fallacy.

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Very true.
In the interest of cutting the crap:
if we were interested in health, we'd be discussing, ya know, HEALTH:

activity level
nutrition
eating habits
and biochemical markers, such as blood glucose, LDL vs. HDL cholesterol, and more

not how much space someone takes up.

Are fat people attractive to you?

yes. thin people too. and muscular ones. i also dated a man with a physical disability. their beauty on the inside makes me see their beauty on the outside.

Wow, there's no reason to be such a douche. And maybe some of us have a sh***y metabolism or we gained from medication, that's how I did it. I gained 100 pounds from anti depressants over the course of 4 years. I've been off of them for over a year now and lost 48ish pounds. It's always easier to gain weight than to lose it. It's always the thin people who never experienced being overweight that act like they know everything there is to know about being healthy when they were probably graced with a perfect metabolism and nothing more. And I hate to tell you but I've seen thin people who are faaar less healthy than fat people, because they're anemic since they don't f*****g eat. In short, your view on fat people is as shallow as a kiddie pool. :/