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28 Dec 2011, 1:23 pm

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I think the OP has a rigid perspective of human relationships. People come together and stay together for many different reasons. It's true that you can look at the formation and maintenance of a relationship as something potentially tiring and could put you off if you believe that you would always have to continuously prove that you were worthy even after the initial efforts of "juggling".

I'll let you in on something...not every person on this planet treats a relationship in a manner similar to a financial investment. There is the possibility of meeting somebody that wants to be with you, simply because once they have begun to know you they want to finish the book...and want to help write the unwritten chapters. But then life is so uncertain and the chaotic nature of it all sends my head spinning in a million directions at once...how would I find this person? What if I screw it up? What if I find them, all goes well, and then they get hit by a truck?! Oh god!

Stop. Breathe. If this is at all familiar then here is secret number two. All of that chaos inside your mind with a multitude of negative outcomes playing out and scaring you off wanting a relationship is normal. The cure is to hard reset. See it as a memory leak. It will only get worse. How to hard reset? Blow your load inside a member of the opposite sex that makes you physically react in a very positive manner when you notice her. That is the only true way for a male to reset these thoughts and make you truly realise that meeting a person in the right situation for things to prosper can happen, requires some effort on your part to be part of the world, and shouldn't be stressed about because life serves it or it doesn't...you don't make that ultimate decision.

In your situation, as I understand it, I would recommend you find yourself a lovely girl that needs a dollar...what a coincidence, you need sexual attention...and let the exchange take place. Don't listen to the chicks mate...they don't realise that female orgasms exist to encourage them to allow us to mate with them...before high power jobs and exotic sportscars ruined the situation and led to a decline of actual fulfilment...but for men it is more than a base urge for purely reproductive ends...it attaches us to a woman emotionally, stops us from going completely batshit crazy, allows us to feel the warmth and see the colour in this world, and allows our brains to stop worrying about the completely bizarre behaviour of women...if only for a short time.

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nobody knows why the female orgasm exists. there are only contentious theories and no proof, and the latest theories are currently being completely rebuffed. so i am not sure where you are going with that. and sports cars and high powered jobs are irrelevant to women's orgasms also.

if visiting a prostitute actually helped misogynists to hate women a little less, i'd say your advice makes sense. but it doesn't seem to help at all.

i'd like to see a rational explanation from somebody that would explain how paying for sex is supposed to make a man hate people less when he is already full of hate because he can't have it for free.

obvious example: starving woman needs food and sees other women getting it for free from the food growers. she assumes she can't get any free food herself and hates the food growers. so she goes and buys food instead. just because she isn't hungry anymore doesn't mean she is going to stop hating the food growers. in fact, she would logically hate them MORE.

the OP isn't misogynistic because of lack of sex, so getting sex will not change it. he is misogynistic because he perceives himself to be shortchanged and thinks he cannot have the female attention he desires. so i think he will be happier and less hateful if he gets therapy to either learn to cope with being without sex, or he should learn to appreciate women so that he can have a chance at getting past the misogyny to get what he desires.


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28 Dec 2011, 1:37 pm

OP is an obvious troll, why this thread is still open I don't know.

Hating one gender over the other is extremely illogical. I'm a misanthrope but not a misogynist.



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28 Dec 2011, 1:50 pm

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OP is an obvious troll, why this thread is still open I don't know.

Hating one gender over the other is extremely illogical. I'm a misanthrope but not a misogynist.

i know what you are saying here (though we discourage calling people trolls as it is considered a personal insult). i gave him the benefit of the doubt as he isn't putting women down but rather communicating that he is misogynistic and why it is the case. but i did have doubts because the OP seems to be encouraging other people to come forward and state that they hate women, as opposed to looking for help to overcome his problem. but since he did say he was looking for remedies in his original post it seems like it could be an acceptable thread.


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28 Dec 2011, 2:14 pm

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It's difficult not to resent the constant tease of impossible meals.

I just hate wanting things I cannot have. So I hate my desires and the females that incite them.


This post says that you are someone who doesn't feel worthy or good enough to participate in the dating game because you think that you will ultimately be rejected or that the outcome will not be positive in the long run.

Perhaps you are assuming that you lack what women want without actually trying to get to know them and their preferences? Perhaps you are being stereotypical and generalizing the desires and needs of every girl before even making an effort to get to know them. Maybe you are the one that prejudging them by showing bitterness and being resentful when you don't even know them, maybe if you opened your mind and stopped simply viewing them as sexual objects or accessories to acquire, you will find a partner that respects you.


i agree with that.

to the OP do you always feel like you cannot meet a woman or is it just some of the time. There are people out there for everyone. If you keep looking or even if you don't look then you will find someone. all it requires is kindness. you can increase your chances by being happy and confident but that is something you need to do for yourself and not just to get a girl.



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28 Dec 2011, 3:28 pm

What I don't understand is hatred of an entire sex of people based on not being able to have something you CHOOSE to not pursue.

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28 Dec 2011, 3:38 pm

He chooses it not.



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28 Dec 2011, 4:06 pm

Judging by the replies I am more alone than I thought. There were no remedies suggested I would consider either.

Except that I've already been in therapy for years. I am also an atheist and decidedly amoral. Misogyny seems to be an unalterable part of my character.

Am I the only one with contradicting instincts?



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28 Dec 2011, 4:53 pm

I understand the OP. I do like his analogy of the waiters that you have to do cheap tricks for to prove you are worthy of their food. It's kind of like my analogy of the peacock that has to have the best plume otherwise he is rejected for the next bird with a more bountiful plume.

What I think the OP is after is some sort of closure that he isn't just pulling cheap tricks to impress a female and that there is something deeper than the trick; that he would be accepted for who he is, rather than having to prove his worth. I can understand how this is demeaning.

Looking in to it further, what happens when your trick no longer satisfies the recipient? What happens when you no longer fulfill that particular want? Of course, she goes out looking for someone with more metaphorical plumage. It seems very shallow. What the OP needs to do is find a woman who isn't just superficial. I think that the suggestions that he go out and find a prostitute are idiotic at best.



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28 Dec 2011, 4:57 pm

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Prostitution and rape are illegal.


Where do you live? In many countries prostitution itself isn't illegal but soliciting is. Unless you're unfortunate enough to live somewhere like Sweden (apart from Malmö, whereby you could just trot over the Öresund) or Norway, that is.



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28 Dec 2011, 5:27 pm

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Judging by the replies I am more alone than I thought. There were no remedies suggested I would consider either.

Except that I've already been in therapy for years. I am also an atheist and decidedly amoral. Misogyny seems to be an unalterable part of my character.

Am I the only one with contradicting instincts?


I'm an atheist.

No part of it has anything to do with being amoral, let alone misogynist, specifically.


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28 Dec 2011, 5:28 pm

fraac wrote:
He chooses it not.


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I'm a celibate virgin. I've never asked anyone out, nor been rejected. Neither have I been asked out.

Early on in my life I decided to avoid romantic relationships. Even though I crave the sex, an actual relationship sounds like hell to me. Also being a virgin helps solidify my 'outsider' status.


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28 Dec 2011, 5:31 pm

I'm an atheist who's always considered the idea of morality to be utter twaddle, yet I am not misogynistic primarily because it's an illogical state of mind. Why would I hate all women? I hate certain women, just as I hate certain men, but broadly hating one specific gender makes no sense.



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28 Dec 2011, 5:48 pm

I find hating people fascinating because I've only ever managed to do it for brief moments. Do you want to do violent things to them?

VW: he said he hates them because he knows he can't have them. That would seem to take precedence over any choice.



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28 Dec 2011, 6:49 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Yeah, it's pretty common here.
I would say the remedy is to just stop thinking of women as something for you to "get"/acquire, and separating them mentally into attractive/not attractive,
but feelings aren't always rational.

See a psychiatrist, maybe?


This. Seriously, women aren't required to satisfy a man's needs ya know. :/



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28 Dec 2011, 7:19 pm

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VW: he said he hates them because he knows he can't have them. That would seem to take precedence over any choice.


Apparently, you have a different definition of "knowing" something than I do-
mine doesn't mean "Drawing broad, life-altering conclusions based on not one iota of actual effort or experience."


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28 Dec 2011, 7:35 pm

I have contradicting instincts. I desire sex, but I also desire solitude & virginity. Neither of these desires are under my control, nor are they logical.

I both want and don't want sex. It's frustrating, and one of the ways the frustration manifests is hatred of females.