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13 May 2012, 1:08 pm

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I had to google PUA to see what all this was about.


I'm sorry, I noticed only after I posted the thread that I didn't clarify what PUA stands for :oops:

For all the rest that haven't googled the term, PUA stands for Pick-up Artist that according to wikipedia, "describes a man who considers himself to be skilled, or who tries to be skilled at meeting, attracting, and seducing women."

Mystery is a full-time pick-up instructor that has also been featured in a book "The Game" and a VH1 reality show. He has often been often hailed as "the best" of the pick-up artists, although that's very debatable.


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13 May 2012, 4:00 pm

PUA really seems to be guys who are getting the shortest straw, want to take something under their control that's not theirs to control, and after spending perhaps a couple hundred dollars on cd's and pdf books they find out that - yes, it is beyond their control and really the best they can do is be a put-out post for girls who want one-nighters.

Then again I think *some* of the ideology used limitedly, ie. knowing how to play along or take it when a girl bumps into you and says "Hey! Hands off the merchandise" or does some type of cocky-funny shot at me and how to think about bantering back a bit. Other than that though trying to walk up to someone who could be in any mood, may or may not want to be talked to or bothered, and trying that - its pretty much a fail if one is trying to use it to 'completely change their love life'. At the end of the day you're still you and the world will generally have the same opinion.


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13 May 2012, 4:06 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
PUA really seems to be guys who are getting the shortest straw, want to take something under their control that's not theirs to control, and after spending perhaps a couple hundred dollars on cd's and pdf books they find out that - yes, it is beyond their control and really the best they can do is be a put-out post for girls who want one-nighters.

Then again I think *some* of the ideology used limitedly, ie. knowing how to play along or take it when a girl bumps into you and says "Hey! Hands off the merchandise" or does some type of cocky-funny shot at me and how to think about bantering back a bit. Other than that though trying to walk up to someone who could be in any mood, may or may not want to be talked to or bothered, and trying that - its pretty much a fail if one is trying to use it to 'completely change their love life'. At the end of the day you're still you and the world will generally have the same opinion.



Guys who are having trouble in getting regular relationships usually won't succeed in one-nighters.

For the matter of fact, guys need to be exceptionally hot in order to make any girl considers them for a one-nighter.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 080749.htm

It makes sense, since it's so easy to seduce any guy into bed then it's normal for girls to seduce only the top of the top in the looks dept.



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13 May 2012, 4:22 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
PUA really seems to be guys who are getting the shortest straw, want to take something under their control that's not theirs to control, and after spending perhaps a couple hundred dollars on cd's and pdf books they find out that - yes, it is beyond their control and really the best they can do is be a put-out post for girls who want one-nighters.

Then again I think *some* of the ideology used limitedly, ie. knowing how to play along or take it when a girl bumps into you and says "Hey! Hands off the merchandise" or does some type of cocky-funny shot at me and how to think about bantering back a bit. Other than that though trying to walk up to someone who could be in any mood, may or may not want to be talked to or bothered, and trying that - its pretty much a fail if one is trying to use it to 'completely change their love life'. At the end of the day you're still you and the world will generally have the same opinion.



Guys who are having trouble in getting regular relationships usually won't succeed in one-nighters.

For the matter of fact, guys need to be exceptionally hot in order to make any girl considers them for a one-nighter.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 080749.htm

It makes sense, since it's so easy to seduce any guy into bed then it's normal for girls to seduce only the top of the top in the looks dept.


Well getting better looking is much easier than changing your personality.



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13 May 2012, 4:30 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
PUA really seems to be guys who are getting the shortest straw, want to take something under their control that's not theirs to control, and after spending perhaps a couple hundred dollars on cd's and pdf books they find out that - yes, it is beyond their control and really the best they can do is be a put-out post for girls who want one-nighters.

Then again I think *some* of the ideology used limitedly, ie. knowing how to play along or take it when a girl bumps into you and says "Hey! Hands off the merchandise" or does some type of cocky-funny shot at me and how to think about bantering back a bit. Other than that though trying to walk up to someone who could be in any mood, may or may not want to be talked to or bothered, and trying that - its pretty much a fail if one is trying to use it to 'completely change their love life'. At the end of the day you're still you and the world will generally have the same opinion.



Guys who are having trouble in getting regular relationships usually won't succeed in one-nighters.

For the matter of fact, guys need to be exceptionally hot in order to make any girl considers them for a one-nighter.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 080749.htm

It makes sense, since it's so easy to seduce any guy into bed then it's normal for girls to seduce only the top of the top in the looks dept.


Well getting better looking is much easier than changing your personality.


No, not when you have to become exceptionally good-looking.



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13 May 2012, 4:41 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
PUA really seems to be guys who are getting the shortest straw, want to take something under their control that's not theirs to control, and after spending perhaps a couple hundred dollars on cd's and pdf books they find out that - yes, it is beyond their control and really the best they can do is be a put-out post for girls who want one-nighters.

Then again I think *some* of the ideology used limitedly, ie. knowing how to play along or take it when a girl bumps into you and says "Hey! Hands off the merchandise" or does some type of cocky-funny shot at me and how to think about bantering back a bit. Other than that though trying to walk up to someone who could be in any mood, may or may not want to be talked to or bothered, and trying that - its pretty much a fail if one is trying to use it to 'completely change their love life'. At the end of the day you're still you and the world will generally have the same opinion.



Guys who are having trouble in getting regular relationships usually won't succeed in one-nighters.

For the matter of fact, guys need to be exceptionally hot in order to make any girl considers them for a one-nighter.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 080749.htm

It makes sense, since it's so easy to seduce any guy into bed then it's normal for girls to seduce only the top of the top in the looks dept.


Well getting better looking is much easier than changing your personality.


No, not when you have to become exceptionally good-looking.


Work out, don't eat crap, have good hygiene, wear reasonably OK looking clothes. I'm guessing most people in general can raise their 1-10 hotness score by at least 3 points if they do that. Oh, and posture. Good posture. I noticed girls noticed me a lot more when I fixed my posture for skating to be more upright. You could maybe even throw the rest out the window if you just fix posture sometimes.



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13 May 2012, 4:42 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
PUA really seems to be guys who are getting the shortest straw, want to take something under their control that's not theirs to control, and after spending perhaps a couple hundred dollars on cd's and pdf books they find out that - yes, it is beyond their control and really the best they can do is be a put-out post for girls who want one-nighters.

Then again I think *some* of the ideology used limitedly, ie. knowing how to play along or take it when a girl bumps into you and says "Hey! Hands off the merchandise" or does some type of cocky-funny shot at me and how to think about bantering back a bit. Other than that though trying to walk up to someone who could be in any mood, may or may not want to be talked to or bothered, and trying that - its pretty much a fail if one is trying to use it to 'completely change their love life'. At the end of the day you're still you and the world will generally have the same opinion.



Guys who are having trouble in getting regular relationships usually won't succeed in one-nighters.

For the matter of fact, guys need to be exceptionally hot in order to make any girl considers them for a one-nighter.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 080749.htm

It makes sense, since it's so easy to seduce any guy into bed then it's normal for girls to seduce only the top of the top in the looks dept.


Well getting better looking is much easier than changing your personality.


No, not when you have to become exceptionally good-looking.


Agreed. You can go from a 4 to a 5 easy. Froma a 4-6 is possible but itll take work. But youll never go from 4 to 9+



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13 May 2012, 4:51 pm

A lot of being a 9 or 10 is having tight and toned musculature, I don't know that everyone can do that even if they work out religiously. Similarly facial expressiveness is a big part of that as well.

Even if you could do all that to try and get one nighters, unless you have way more money for botox and plastic surgery than you know what to do with why bother?


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13 May 2012, 6:01 pm

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A lot of being a 9 or 10 is having tight and toned musculature, I don't know that everyone can do that even if they work out religiously. Similarly facial expressiveness is a big part of that as well.

Even if you could do all that to try and get one nighters, unless you have way more money for botox and plastic surgery than you know what to do with why bother?

theres more to being a 9 or 10 than just muscles. Again, muscles alone on an average face will make you a 6, you need the muscles, AND a good face. Plus as if it wasnt hard enough you also need the personality to go with it. Its not as easy as its made to be. If you're an 8 you can work into being a 9, but it wont happen from a 4



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13 May 2012, 6:17 pm

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A lot of being a 9 or 10 is having tight and toned musculature, I don't know that everyone can do that even if they work out religiously. Similarly facial expressiveness is a big part of that as well.

Even if you could do all that to try and get one nighters, unless you have way more money for botox and plastic surgery than you know what to do with why bother?

theres more to being a 9 or 10 than just muscles. Again, muscles alone on an average face will make you a 6, you need the muscles, AND a good face. Plus as if it wasnt hard enough you also need the personality to go with it. Its not as easy as its made to be. If you're an 8 you can work into being a 9, but it wont happen from a 4

I think a lot of tone though is neurological - ie. lots of people can be very strong and healthy but won't have 'tight' muscle, from what I understand that takes a certain maintenance of neurotransmitters and some people's physiologies just find it to expensive no matter how healthy they are.

I guess I'm just stating that even with plastic surgery there's still a lot that would need regular maintenance - if that's even possible for what I mentioned above.


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A lot of being a 9 or 10 is having tight and toned musculature, I don't know that everyone can do that even if they work out religiously. Similarly facial expressiveness is a big part of that as well.

Even if you could do all that to try and get one nighters, unless you have way more money for botox and plastic surgery than you know what to do with why bother?

theres more to being a 9 or 10 than just muscles. Again, muscles alone on an average face will make you a 6, you need the muscles, AND a good face. Plus as if it wasnt hard enough you also need the personality to go with it. Its not as easy as its made to be. If you're an 8 you can work into being a 9, but it wont happen from a 4

I think a lot of tone though is neurological - ie. lots of people can be very strong and healthy but won't have 'tight' muscle, from what I understand that takes a certain maintenance of neurotransmitters and some people's physiologies just find it to expensive no matter how healthy they are.

I guess I'm just stating that even with plastic surgery there's still a lot that would need regular maintenance - if that's even possible for what I mentioned above.


tone has nothing to do with neurology but rather ammount of fat to fill in the creases. I have no real muscle mass but am toned, because i lack fat. Having a 6pack has more to do with your BMI than how many crunches you can do.



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13 May 2012, 7:16 pm

Numbers are irrelevant. Character, that is what matters. Character and personality. And PUAs are absolutely fine. Don't discriminate, especially being from a group that is sometimes also discriminated.


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14 May 2012, 12:12 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
A lot of being a 9 or 10 is having tight and toned musculature, I don't know that everyone can do that even if they work out religiously. Similarly facial expressiveness is a big part of that as well.


That would only matter to a certain type of girl, in other words, having a muscular body or even the right image but it can attract a certain type of girl or get a foot in the door.

I think you're putting far too much emphasis on looks, a lot to do with having a high attraction value is in having a high social value or having a value of high desire, creating an emotional connection and creating a positive time between you and that person. It's also about how much value and faith you place in yourself, if you believe you have value, you will project that on to others.

I asked a friend of mine what traits she found attractive about me after she confessed she has strong feelings for me, she only listed a few traits that were external, most of the of the traits she found attractive were to do with something internal about me.

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boumboum: overstatement? i think not. its not just your body, its your thinking, the way you see the world and life in general, your straightforwardness
wolfheart: Oh
wolfheart: So if you had to list ten traits, what would they be?
boumboum: well i just gave u 4 right there
wolfheart: Just give me ten one word answers.
boumboum: hm alright
boumboum: tattoos
boumboum: abs
boumboum: straightforward
boumboum: determination
boumboum: heart
boumboum: positivity
boumboum: gamer
boumboum: honest
boumboum: sweet
wolfheart: Ah
wolfheart: That's only 9.
boumboum: oh and u see the good in me
boumboum: thats also another one
boumboum: even if i dont see it myself



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14 May 2012, 12:40 am

Male attractiveness seems to have little or nothing to do with looks... really ugly, aggressive jerkwads seem to get a lot of female attention.... it's gotta' be a lizard-brain thing...



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14 May 2012, 12:42 am

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Wolfheart wrote:
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Then I did some research on this people by spending a month receiving their newsletter... I understand that this wont give me a full view of their program. But what they were saying was basic stuff.
-Try to avoid yes/no questions, give her a chance to keep the conversation going if she wants to.
-Try to start talking without having to rehearse what you are going to say next because the other person will notice what you are doing and think that its just an act
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Basic stuff that I called common sense.


I must admit pick artist material can be great when it comes to creating a good first impression and that will not only help in projecting a positive image but it will also help in other areas such as giving a good presentation of yourself which can help when it comes to employment and dating. I think many men on the spectrum can definitely benefit from it if they are willing to put in the time and effort to increase their social skills.

However it's still a business, I have never attended or read any of the mystery method books but I think you can take certain aspects from pick up material and implement them into your social repertoire.

Also Gambler is a reference to Richard who lives in London, he has written a more sophisticated book or at least one that is better or more suited towards people that live in London or Europe.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LByJpkarW0o[/youtube]


But then again, just look at him. I dont mean what he does, i mean that he is very attractive to a lot of women. But i do agree with how he makes things to be as not a game of knocking women down to your level but raising yourself to theirs. A sort of self improvement.


Well as for Gamble, he's not a muscular guy but he has style, charisma, smoothness and he has developed good social skills. Of course, his looks probably do get a foot in the door but he had to examine himself and develop social insight , he had to make an effort to make changes to himself and how he interacted with the world and women before he became better at it. So first it's about developing that social insight and having the right self talk, the right mindset as I wrote in my previous thread.

The fact that you are self aware of setbacks and that you are making progress in your understanding and social insight is a huge achievement in itself, some people on the spectrum don't even have that self awareness until later in life. Focus on the change, not the result or outcome.



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14 May 2012, 12:49 am

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
A lot of being a 9 or 10 is having tight and toned musculature, I don't know that everyone can do that even if they work out religiously. Similarly facial expressiveness is a big part of that as well.


That would only matter to a certain type of girl, in other words, having a muscular body or even the right image but it can attract a certain type of girl or get a foot in the door.

I think you're putting far too much emphasis on looks, a lot to do with having a high attraction value is in having a high social value or having a value of high desire, creating an emotional connection and creating a positive time between you and that person. It's also about how much value and faith you place in yourself, if you believe you have value, you will project that on to others.

I asked a friend of mine what traits she found attractive about me after she confessed she has strong feelings for me, she only listed a few traits that were external, most of the of the traits she found attractive were to do with something internal about me.

Quote:
boumboum: overstatement? i think not. its not just your body, its your thinking, the way you see the world and life in general, your straightforwardness
wolfheart: Oh
wolfheart: So if you had to list ten traits, what would they be?
boumboum: well i just gave u 4 right there
wolfheart: Just give me ten one word answers.
boumboum: hm alright
boumboum: tattoos
boumboum: abs
boumboum: straightforward
boumboum: determination
boumboum: heart
boumboum: positivity
boumboum: gamer
boumboum: honest
boumboum: sweet
wolfheart: Ah
wolfheart: That's only 9.
boumboum: oh and u see the good in me
boumboum: thats also another one
boumboum: even if i dont see it myself


We're talking about one-nighter thing.

As the study shows, women's standards for looks increase when it comes to a one-nighter, personality/character has less importance in this case (as long he's not a psycho or an axe-murderer then it would be ok).



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