What females really want
I don't doubt the credibility of some of your sources, but I do doubt your ability to understand those sources within their context and apply them to the world as you do (and don't) know it.
Additional comment; you cannot refute non biological choices with biological choice.
please tell me what I'm saying incorrect and I can answer then.
Is it that
A. You can't understand what people are saying?
B. You can't argue against our points and are evading?
C. You have an uncontrollable urge to repeat yourself?
Okay, I'll answer everythign what you guys said.
Thanks.

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I don't doubt the credibility of some of your sources, but I do doubt your ability to understand those sources within their context and apply them to the world as you do (and don't) know it.
Additional comment; you cannot refute non biological choices with biological choice.
please tell me what I'm saying incorrect and I can answer then.
I already addressed this in the post prior to that one. The sources you have are credible examples of direct correlations in human behaviour but not definitives. What that means is the results are representative of common behaviour in human beings but are not the rule of thumb or the absolute. I already said this but then you are having trouble understanding that, which leads me to believe you do not understand your source material very well, either. Then there is experience which a lot of WP members posting here have that you don't.
Anyways, answer everyone else's questions. I don't really have any of my own as I've already reached a conclusion on the discussion.
For example, many men enjoy watching sport on television.
However, it does not follow that simply because someone is a man, they enjoy watching sport on television, and that they're lying or in denial if they say they don't.
I would also like to point out that when decent scientists get data that doesn't match their hypothesis (in this thread, women have spoken up saying what they actually go for in men), they modify their hypothesis; they don't insinuate that the data is lying or doesn't know it's own mind.
I'm not saying that when a trait is widely found in a population, that every member of said population will possess that trait.
I'm saying that you can do research in the population that do not have this trait and there is an explanation.
"I would also like to point out that when decent scientists get data that doesn't match their hypothesis (in this thread, women have spoken up saying what they actually go for in men), they modify their hypothesis; they don't insinuate that the data is lying or doesn't know it's own mind."
You can say: a and actually do b because that's the EGO.
Yes, lying is called social adaptations.
"I'm not saying I'm an expert, I'm just saying that it's scientific and evolutionary psychologist actually do research into this
I don't doubt the credibility of some of your sources, but I do doubt your ability to understand those sources within their context and apply them to the world as you do (and don't) know it.
Additional comment; you cannot refute non biological choices with biological choice.
please tell me what I'm saying incorrect and I can answer then.
I already addressed this in the post prior to that one. The sources you have are credible examples of direct correlations in human behaviour but not definitives. What that means is the results are representative of common behaviour in human beings but are not the rule of thumb or the absolute. I already said this but then you are having trouble understanding that, which leads me to believe you do not understand your source material very well, either. Then there is experience which a lot of WP members posting here have that you don't.
Anyways, answer everyone else's questions. I don't really have any of my own as I've already reached a conclusion on the discussion.
Where did I spoke of absolutes?
results are representative of common behaviour, ofcourse, but you can explain difference in the common behaviour.
We have had this thread before, you are correct in that according to evolutionary psychology the things you list are what females want. Your data fits nicely with the data from the pick up artist community, which is in essence a bunch of guys who spend just about every second figuring out how to attract females. It fits with the mating behavior of other species, most closely linked would be other primates. However, what you need to keep in mind is that many females will protest your findings, and the other findings on a conscious level because from a purely psychological point of view, human beings like to think that we have complete free will and are consciously in control of our important actions.
You will have quite a few women, and most likely some men that protest the data you present, however in my experience, if you observe the same people in their natural habitat engaging in mating behavior, you will see the same correlations with your data that the same people protested in a discussion.
Subjectivity also comes into play in the form of multiple factors I've noticed:
1. People tend to adapt their partner requirements to what is available to them. Meaning, that a woman that scores 6 for looks in California may score 9 or 10 in a different location. A man that scores 2 for wealth in one country, may score 8 for wealth in another country and so it goes for most of the qualities listed. Note that the numbers here represent percentages, the mean of which decides a person's overall "score" as a mate. You also need to apply a certain weighting based on the group you are investigating purely due to the varying focus on different qualities.
2. People have a degree of subjectivity in their valuations, leading to the need for a standard deviation to be established.
3. People naturally adjust their demands to fit within their own percentile and the percentiles are dependent on the self-valuation of the person. For instance, a low-confidence person is usually less inclined to go for people within the same percentile as them and may prefer going for lower percentile mates to lessen competition.
Of course, I am expecting the usual suspects to protest these statements, most likely based on what I like to call the "Snowflake-assertion" IE that these findings are not representative in their entirety for every single person, thus invalid, despite that they are not meant to be applied on an individual level but rather are behavioral trends.
P.S look at what people do, not what they say. Human beings have a tendency towards being "people pleasers" or rather "super-ego" pleasers, in their words but tend to act somewhat differently.
No one's denying the data is correct, TM, just that it isn't representative of every living human being on Earth. It's no better than concluding that because all Skittles are from the same bag, that they all taste the same.
The author of the post meant well, and is simply naive and not really fully knowledgeable of the sources he refers to.
You on the other hand are more knowledgeable and are encouraging him out of your own bitterness towards life.
results are representative of common behaviour, ofcourse, but you can explain difference in the common behaviour.
You are inferring these theories apply to everyone instead of just most people, and any alternative outcomes can be explained by the same answers. In the math world, deducing that any possible numerical equation equals 3 if you don't understand them would be absurd. This is no different.
edit: my post did not make sense in this context because i only skimmed the op, and therefore my post was irrelevant.
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You will have quite a few women, and most likely some men that protest the data you present, however in my experience, if you observe the same people in their natural habitat engaging in mating behavior, you will see the same correlations with your data that the same people protested in a discussion.
Subjectivity also comes into play in the form of multiple factors I've noticed:
1. People tend to adapt their partner requirements to what is available to them. Meaning, that a woman that scores 6 for looks in California may score 9 or 10 in a different location. A man that scores 2 for wealth in one country, may score 8 for wealth in another country and so it goes for most of the qualities listed. Note that the numbers here represent percentages, the mean of which decides a person's overall "score" as a mate. You also need to apply a certain weighting based on the group you are investigating purely due to the varying focus on different qualities.
2. People have a degree of subjectivity in their valuations, leading to the need for a standard deviation to be established.
3. People naturally adjust their demands to fit within their own percentile and the percentiles are dependent on the self-valuation of the person. For instance, a low-confidence person is usually less inclined to go for people within the same percentile as them and may prefer going for lower percentile mates to lessen competition.
Of course, I am expecting the usual suspects to protest these statements, most likely based on what I like to call the "Snowflake-assertion" IE that these findings are not representative in their entirety for every single person, thus invalid, despite that they are not meant to be applied on an individual level but rather are behavioral trends.
P.S look at what people do, not what they say. Human beings have a tendency towards being "people pleasers" or rather "super-ego" pleasers, in their words but tend to act somewhat differently.
What you said is what I exactly think of the subject.
I'm just bad in putting it in words (I have dyslexia

The author of the post meant well, and is simply naive and not really fully knowledgeable of the sources he refers to.
You on the other hand are more knowledgeable and are encouraging him out of your own bitterness towards life.
I'm knowledgeable of what I'm talking about.
I'm just bad in^putting it in words sorry.
The author of the post meant well, and is simply naive and not really fully knowledgeable of the sources he refers to.
You on the other hand are more knowledgeable and are encouraging him out of your own bitterness towards life.
I'm knowledgeable of what I'm talking about.
I'm just bad in^putting it in words sorry.
Fair enough. No problem

I think I conceeded that point in my post didn't I?
You on the other hand are more knowledgeable and are encouraging him out of your own bitterness towards life.
I was pointing out some of the errors in his posts, the counter-arguments he will undoubtedly face and various shortcomings of the data. I fail to see how that has anything to do with my somewhat misanthropic and cynical view of the human species.
Given that we are on a forum where quite a few members, especially in this sub-forum have issues with social behavior, being able to systematize these to a certain objective degree is beneficial as unlike large parts of society those members are unable to intuitively grasp the social conventions and behaviors associated with human relationships. I'm also not suggesting that this be applied literally.
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"Given that we are on a forum where quite a few members, especially in this sub-forum have issues with social behavior, being able to systematize these to a certain objective degree is beneficial as unlike large parts of society those members are unable to intuitively grasp the social conventions and behaviors associated with human relationships. I'm also not suggesting that this be applied literally."
This is the reason why I said this about evolutionary psychology.
I personally do not have problems in relationships.
I think I conceeded that point in my post didn't I?
You on the other hand are more knowledgeable and are encouraging him out of your own bitterness towards life.
I was pointing out some of the errors in his posts, the counter-arguments he will undoubtedly face and various shortcomings of the data. I fail to see how that has anything to do with my somewhat misanthropic and cynical view of the human species.
Given that we are on a forum where quite a few members, especially in this sub-forum have issues with social behavior, being able to systematize these to a certain objective degree is beneficial as unlike large parts of society those members are unable to intuitively grasp the social conventions and behaviors associated with human relationships. I'm also not suggesting that this be applied literally.
Editing this post atm
Thanks for clarifying. I guess I forget while the human condition is somewhat irrational this far in, some do need it to be rationalised in order to better understand it and adapt better to daily life. It's that whole zero empathy thing kicking in
