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28 Jul 2012, 10:42 pm

The most popular girl in my high school for a while was dangerously skinny, completely flat and had a masculine face and jaw line. But she was very social.



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28 Jul 2012, 11:18 pm

MXH wrote:
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ill add this. what i often find breathtaking is not what most men seem to lust for. Itsalso not often i see a breathtaking woman, saw one today as the first in over 2 weeks. It could either be my personal preferences compared to normal or something else the reason i dont see them often


For some reason, I am like this a lot too. I guess what I find breathtaking is different from the norm.
It's rare that someone catches my attention by their looks, but when they do - it's blown out of the park.
I rarely see guys or girls enough to cause that though, maybe one every two years or so?


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28 Jul 2012, 11:47 pm

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MXH wrote:
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ill add this. what i often find breathtaking is not what most men seem to lust for. Itsalso not often i see a breathtaking woman, saw one today as the first in over 2 weeks. It could either be my personal preferences compared to normal or something else the reason i dont see them often


For some reason, I am like this a lot too. I guess what I find breathtaking is different from the norm.
It's rare that someone catches my attention by their looks, but when they do - it's blown out of the park.
I rarely see guys or girls enough to cause that though, maybe one every two years or so?


wow, terrible timeframe. i usually see one every 1-3 months. And usually they stick around in my mind for a while. Its a weird thing to be able to be attracted to people almost at will, but then to be just blown away by a quick glance at someone.



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29 Jul 2012, 12:08 am

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I think NTs with many relationships learn based on the attractiveness of their partners what "league" they are in. I am not sure what "league" I'm in except that it's far from attractive, but not butt-ugly. How do you guys determine your attractiveness or improve it?


If you are attractive, people will generally tell you that you are attractive, at least it seems to happen in my case. I have had random women or people I have known tell me that I look like a male model or that I am physically attractive. They were not confessing attraction to me, simply stating that they found me aesthetically pleasing, that's one way to know that you are aesthetically attractive.

You could also ask people and find out what they think about your physical attractiveness.



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29 Jul 2012, 1:27 am

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I think NTs with many relationships learn based on the attractiveness of their partners what "league" they are in. I am not sure what "league" I'm in except that it's far from attractive, but not butt-ugly. How do you guys determine your attractiveness or improve it?


If you are attractive, people will generally tell you that you are attractive, at least it seems to happen in my case. I have had random women or people I have known tell me that I look like a male model or that I am physically attractive. They were not confessing attraction to me, simply stating that they found me aesthetically pleasing, that's one way to know that you are aesthetically attractive.

You could also ask people and find out what they think about your physical attractiveness.


asking bring upon people lying to be nice. Something more like random people comenting on you in a way that they have no gains from is something more acceptable as evidence for myself



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29 Jul 2012, 1:43 am

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I think NTs with many relationships learn based on the attractiveness of their partners what "league" they are in. I am not sure what "league" I'm in except that it's far from attractive, but not butt-ugly. How do you guys determine your attractiveness or improve it?


If you are attractive, people will generally tell you that you are attractive, at least it seems to happen in my case. I have had random women or people I have known tell me that I look like a male model or that I am physically attractive. They were not confessing attraction to me, simply stating that they found me aesthetically pleasing, that's one way to know that you are aesthetically attractive.

You could also ask people and find out what they think about your physical attractiveness.


asking bring upon people lying to be nice. Something more like random people comenting on you in a way that they have no gains from is something more acceptable as evidence for myself


I think asking would be a form of seeking validation and it's not something I would do personally but if people aren't randomly telling the thread creator that he is attractive, I don't know how he could find out.



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29 Jul 2012, 1:46 am

^^^
I don't think most people get told Wolf - only those who are extremely attractive would get told like you do.
I think for most they just wonder through, never really knowing. And even if someone says something - unless you know what their motives are it can be difficult to take them seriously.

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wow, terrible timeframe. i usually see one every 1-3 months. And usually they stick around in my mind for a while. Its a weird thing to be able to be attracted to people almost at will, but then to be just blown away by a quick glance at someone.


At least you don't stare, freeze, giggle or hyperventilate when it happens! :lol:

Agreed one the attracted as a choice VS no choice. That's probably why it freaks me out so much, I'm used to being able to choose.


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29 Jul 2012, 1:58 am

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I don't think most people get told Wolf - only those who are extremely attractive would get told like you do.
I think for most they just wonder through, never really knowing. And even if someone says something - unless you know what their motives are it can be difficult to take them seriously.


Thank you that you do find me extremely attractive, there are difficulties that come with that as well though. People will make assumptions that you are vain or shallow and that can have certain obstacles, it can also attract the wrong type of women that like you for superficial reasons.

The last couple of dates I went on, when I asked why the women found me attractive or what drew them to me, they only stated physical attributes such as being tall, handsome, dark or having a good build.



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29 Jul 2012, 2:07 am

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wow, terrible timeframe. i usually see one every 1-3 months. And usually they stick around in my mind for a while. Its a weird thing to be able to be attracted to people almost at will, but then to be just blown away by a quick glance at someone.


At least you don't stare, freeze, giggle or hyperventilate when it happens! :lol:

Agreed one the attracted as a choice VS no choice. That's probably why it freaks me out so much, I'm used to being able to choose.

not only do i do all of those i have to almost leave her sight before i stop feeling sick.



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29 Jul 2012, 2:08 am

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Thank you that you do find me extremely attractive, there are difficulties that come with that as well though. People will make assumptions that you are vain or shallow and that can have certain obstacles, it can also attract the wrong type of women that like you for superficial reasons.

The last couple of dates I went on, when I asked why the women found me attractive or what drew them to me, they only stated physical attributes such as being tall, handsome, dark or having a good build.


Well - I meant if you get told directly like that - then you are obviously attractive in the general sense..
But yeah - on a personal level, as far as yumas go, you are pretty cute. :razz:

I'm well aware that there are other issues that go with it. For women who are attractive, they will be expected to go after guys with wealth or high status (in fact, regular guys often won't even appraoch them and just assume she's "out of their league"). For guys who are, they will be expected to go after superficial things. And people expect those who are attractive to go after each other for those reasons - in your case, the wrong type for you.

Since most people never experience that though, they aren't aware of the issues that go with it.


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29 Jul 2012, 2:14 am

lol. can i have some of your problems then wolf? Theres many problems id love to have. Like having dates that go nowhere because the girls are simply interested in me physically, or what color show i buy the expensive sports car with, etc.



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29 Jul 2012, 2:20 am

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lol. can i have some of your problems then wolf? Theres many problems id love to have. Like having dates that go nowhere because the girls are simply interested in me physically, or what color show i buy the expensive sports car with, etc.


It's gets old real quick MXH.
It's fun to start with but after a while people who want you for your looks or what you have - rather than who you are, sometimes it's easier to be alone than to deal with people like that.
I understand you want the choice - but it's not much of a choice.


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29 Jul 2012, 2:21 am

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lol. can i have some of your problems then wolf? Theres many problems id love to have. Like having dates that go nowhere because the girls are simply interested in me physically, or what color show i buy the expensive sports car with, etc.


It's gets old real quick MXH.
It's fun to start with but after a while people who want you for your looks or what you have - rather than who you are, sometimes it's easier to be alone than to deal with people like that.


well, knowing that by being perpetually alone you have no oportunity of having a partner and that by going through people left and right means you have a higher chance of finding someone good Ill say id much rather have the latter. Lets just say i have enough experience with the first one.



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29 Jul 2012, 2:36 am

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Thank you that you do find me extremely attractive, there are difficulties that come with that as well though. People will make assumptions that you are vain or shallow and that can have certain obstacles, it can also attract the wrong type of women that like you for superficial reasons.

The last couple of dates I went on, when I asked why the women found me attractive or what drew them to me, they only stated physical attributes such as being tall, handsome, dark or having a good build.


Well - I meant if you get told directly like that - then you are obviously attractive in the general sense..
But yeah - on a personal level, as far as yumas go, you are pretty cute. :razz:

I'm well aware that there are other issues that go with it. For women who are attractive, they will be expected to go after guys with wealth or high status (in fact, regular guys often won't even appraoch them and just assume she's "out of their league"). For guys who are, they will be expected to go after superficial things. And people expect those who are attractive to go after each other for those reasons - in your case, the wrong type for you.

Since most people never experience that though, they aren't aware of the issues that go with it.


Thank you, many people make insinuations and presumptions based on their own rigid perceptions and many people who claim to be deep are truly shallow because they follow these rigid perceptions of how someone should be or what they should pursue based on their physical appearance.

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lol. can i have some of your problems then wolf? Theres many problems id love to have. Like having dates that go nowhere because the girls are simply interested in me physically, or what color show i buy the expensive sports car with, etc.


There's no guarantee that you will have more success in finding a genuine love in either case or scenario.

Again, is this based on one date in which the girl didn't find you attractive? It's still a debate as to whether attraction is universal or subjective but it could be a case of both. At least subjective attraction is more of a case of someone finding you attractive in their eyes, it is a more personal attachment so you know it is genuine whereas universal attraction is superficial and impersonal.



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29 Jul 2012, 2:39 am

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Thank you that you do find me extremely attractive, there are difficulties that come with that as well though. People will make assumptions that you are vain or shallow and that can have certain obstacles, it can also attract the wrong type of women that like you for superficial reasons.

The last couple of dates I went on, when I asked why the women found me attractive or what drew them to me, they only stated physical attributes such as being tall, handsome, dark or having a good build.


Well - I meant if you get told directly like that - then you are obviously attractive in the general sense..
But yeah - on a personal level, as far as yumas go, you are pretty cute. :razz:

I'm well aware that there are other issues that go with it. For women who are attractive, they will be expected to go after guys with wealth or high status (in fact, regular guys often won't even appraoch them and just assume she's "out of their league"). For guys who are, they will be expected to go after superficial things. And people expect those who are attractive to go after each other for those reasons - in your case, the wrong type for you.

Since most people never experience that though, they aren't aware of the issues that go with it.


Thank you, many people make insinuations and presumptions based on their own rigid perceptions and many people who claim to be deep are truly shallow because they follow these rigid perceptions of how someone should be or what they should pursue based on their physical appearance.

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lol. can i have some of your problems then wolf? Theres many problems id love to have. Like having dates that go nowhere because the girls are simply interested in me physically, or what color show i buy the expensive sports car with, etc.


There's no guarantee that you will have more success in finding a genuine love in either case or scenario.

Again, is this based on one date in which the girl didn't find you attractive? It's still a debate as to whether attraction is universal or subjective but it could be a case of both. At least subjective attraction is more of a case of someone finding you attractive in their eyes, it is a more personal attachment so you know it is genuine whereas universal attraction is superficial and impersonal.


its based on me not having had a date ever. Be it for personality, looks, money, etc. And no real prospect of having one either. By that basis I can with ful right say that in your scenario there are higher chances of finding someone special than in a scenario where you dont find anyone at all. You make it sound as if having something that many want is a terrible curse. And i wont pity you for it. Having an advantage is not a curse. It doesnt mean women are going to be attracted to just your looks, it means you have more things for women to be attracted to. If all you're getting are women that you dont feel compatible with then try something new. But dont come here pretending its something horrible. This is honestly worse than the guy that kept coming around here complaining that hes single but will only date hot girls.



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29 Jul 2012, 3:11 am

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Thank you that you do find me extremely attractive, there are difficulties that come with that as well though. People will make assumptions that you are vain or shallow and that can have certain obstacles, it can also attract the wrong type of women that like you for superficial reasons.

The last couple of dates I went on, when I asked why the women found me attractive or what drew them to me, they only stated physical attributes such as being tall, handsome, dark or having a good build.


Well - I meant if you get told directly like that - then you are obviously attractive in the general sense..
But yeah - on a personal level, as far as yumas go, you are pretty cute. :razz:

I'm well aware that there are other issues that go with it. For women who are attractive, they will be expected to go after guys with wealth or high status (in fact, regular guys often won't even appraoch them and just assume she's "out of their league"). For guys who are, they will be expected to go after superficial things. And people expect those who are attractive to go after each other for those reasons - in your case, the wrong type for you.

Since most people never experience that though, they aren't aware of the issues that go with it.


Thank you, many people make insinuations and presumptions based on their own rigid perceptions and many people who claim to be deep are truly shallow because they follow these rigid perceptions of how someone should be or what they should pursue based on their physical appearance.

MXH wrote:
lol. can i have some of your problems then wolf? Theres many problems id love to have. Like having dates that go nowhere because the girls are simply interested in me physically, or what color show i buy the expensive sports car with, etc.


There's no guarantee that you will have more success in finding a genuine love in either case or scenario.

Again, is this based on one date in which the girl didn't find you attractive? It's still a debate as to whether attraction is universal or subjective but it could be a case of both. At least subjective attraction is more of a case of someone finding you attractive in their eyes, it is a more personal attachment so you know it is genuine whereas universal attraction is superficial and impersonal.


its based on me not having had a date ever. Be it for personality, looks, money, etc. And no real prospect of having one either. By that basis I can with ful right say that in your scenario there are higher chances of finding someone special than in a scenario where you dont find anyone at all. You make it sound as if having something that many want is a terrible curse. And i wont pity you for it. Having an advantage is not a curse. It doesnt mean women are going to be attracted to just your looks, it means you have more things for women to be attracted to. If all you're getting are women that you dont feel compatible with then try something new. But dont come here pretending its something horrible. This is honestly worse than the guy that kept coming around here complaining that hes single but will only date hot girls.


I'm not saying it's positive or negative, simply something that people overlook and how people claim to be deep yet they are protruding towards the very lines and structures that make them shackled to what makes them transparent.

Yes, of course looks do get a foot in the door and they can definitely help in some aspects but I'm stating many people assume that people are leading a fulfilling life just because they are in a relationship when sometimes that can be opposite of what they really need. It's like getting that dream job you have always wanted, only to find it is high maintenance and not right for you.