DataSage’s Alpha Male Guide to Meeting Women (JULY UPDATE!!)

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you say that after immediately supporting one side...

but let me second some of what was said - 'you're right' in other words

When I first read this guide I saw nothing wrong or dishonest - 'you're right' (and use gut-reactions you condemn)

If you feel yourself reacting emotionally towards some part of it, relax and ask yourself why it is offensive to you. - 'reacting emotionally to it is 'wrong'

Bring that to the table rather than you gut-reactions of what you are assuming it means. - personal intuitiveness is 'wrong'

ur post is teeming with bias...it is in every line of ur whole post infact....

so don't ask for people to stop the garbage when u do it yourself

...lol its golden..its so right its five stars....but dont anyone say different or that would entering into right/wrong garbage




vehement def'n: zealous; ardent; impassioned

dont be too surprised...u do it urself:

I believe there is a difference between saying I endorse something and saying that "It is morally superior" (right) and opposing viewpoints are "morally or otherwise inferior" (wrong). I saw a lot of right/wrong appraisals.

I was trying to say step past condemnations and find something of value in it if you can. Apparently, I did a poor job of doing so, and apologize for anything I might of said that made you feel like I was calling your opinion wrong. For the sake of clarity, I'll keep it simple and boil my post down to what will hopefully be more palatable for you;

"I personally endorse the advice. If you can, try to step past gut-reactions and judgements of right and wrong caused be sensitive key words, such as alpha-male, and see if there is anything in the post that might be of value to you. If not, no worries. Have a nice day.
It doesn't change my endorsement, BTW, and I don't mean that (and never said that) my endorsement of it means that if you disagree, that you are "wrong"."

That is essentially whayt I meant. I hope it serves to correct my otherwise verbose post.

to pass off what people are saying as getting sensitive over key-word's etc...is head-patting condescending nonsense.....it is the whole 'tone' of objectifying women as some sort of 'prey' to be hunted for by men using seduction techniques to manipulate the unconscious mind as though women are some lesser creature that i'm sure is disturbing to the female 1/2 of the population.....how can u ever really get to know a woman behaving this way? ...btw this makes me sound like a bit of a feminist...but i don't think im really standing up for women..i think really i am more investigating the psychology of guys? and why we insist of behaving this way...

it would be true also to say....women manipulate the unconscious mind of men just as much....therefore they are not truly ever getting to know a man either...

also u r judging....by casting ur opinion in what u endorse/support etc....make no mistake about that.....just as i am also making judgement..in usually a more extreme way(eheh...certainly earlier in this thread! ..i think to provoke debate/response mainly)...alas humans do this...i don't think i've ever met someone who doesn't, but many who do and say they don't.

I don't think you did a poor job at all You can lead a horse to water ............

shock horror...damn here i was thinking u were gonna back me up Baz...

You can lead a horse to water ......... <-- head-patting condescension...don't worry m8..we know better...wink wink..

if thats the case....take off ur glasses and show ur eyes... show me the wisdom that must be there to allow you the condescend so effortlessly

**sigh**

Gimme a break. The post is only about tips on meeting someone for the first time, for people who are not confident at meeting people.

I suppose you think having a shower and brushing your teeth, if you wouldn't normally before going out, is also seduction and trickery

are you finished editing?

- years of practice

the quick switch onto quoting something a page back to avoid answering the previous post....i have seen u do that trick b4

on the shower/teeth.....possibly more in the realm of personal hygiene

but sure use that as an arguement....if u don't have anything better...ummm u got me! feel better?

answer what, show your eyes? Look harder into the computer.

and are you avoiding whether you think having a shower and brushing your teeth, if you wouldn't normally before going out, is also seduction and trickery ?


I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment
I could be you

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To see you

i am looking very hard into the computer i am seeing my answer of....i think thats more in the realm of personal hygiene

damn...i umm didn't know u felt this way about me Bazmond...shall we lower the lights a little baby?

you sat there for 12 minutes thinking and that's the best you can do

if i had known u were waiting, breathlessly, wantingly, counting the minutes...for my reply...i would have put in more effort..soz

you are getting better, grasshopper

I like how immediately after 4lex talks about not making this into a public bickering forum, two guys immediately make it into one...
I don't really care about it just found it interesting

Why most of that wasn't done by private messages, idk.

I agree with Bazza here, datasage's advice is just like showering and brushing your teeth (just a little later)... I personally haven't seen / yet tried to see why the people that immediately rejected this did so (probably should, but it's too late right now to start trying).

My way of thinking is you are increasing your "seduction" factor if you prepare yourself for the date at all. If you wanted to be sure not to "seduce her" you would
1) not prepare at all (not brush teeth, shower, make sure you have the money or do anything else you normally wouldn't)
2) not worry about what she likes to do (that's doing something you normally wouldn't)
3) pay for her dinner / movie ticket (you don't pay for a stranger / friend unless 'you owed him' or will later remind him he 'owes you back'... unless you are rich or very altruistic)
etc. etc.
since all these either effect her unconsciously (would she REALLY realize you didn't brush your teeth?) or would be showing her an "act" of what you want her to think of you, it seems most people posting here would take it as tooo "controlling" or that you are trying to control her through her unconscious mind.

I probably just rambled, didn't make much sense (almost 2 am here and it makes sense to me), and / or generalized too much, but I'll make my point better when people quote me later (seems my post will garner alot of criticism / attention), ask me to, or I feel like it.

[/quote]to pass off what people are saying as getting sensitive over key-word's etc...is head-patting condescending nonsense.....[/quote]

I'm not passing it off. I noticed someone's objection was to the word alpha male and suggested they see beyond the negative connotations so often associated with the term.

[/quote]it is the whole 'tone' of objectifying women as some sort of 'prey' to be hunted for by men using seduction techniques to manipulate the unconscious mind as though women are some lesser creature that i'm sure is disturbing to the female 1/2 of the population.....how can u ever really get to know a woman behaving this way?[/quote]

The whole "tone" I got from the post was "don't let fear keep you from showing girls who you really are, becuase ladies are delightful and if you spend your life afraid to talk to them your missing out", not "lets prey on women." I'm not sure why you're getting the evil vibe from a post meant to help shy and nervous people be more social, but hey, whatever; stranger things have happened.

[/quote]btw this makes me sound like a bit of a feminist...but i don't think im really standing up for women..i think really i am more investigating the psychology of guys? and why we insist of behaving this way...[/quote]

Nobody is insisting. Somebody is offering help to others who might like like, and obviously many have objections to the way it is stated. I personally feel there is a lot of overreaction and unwarranted reading betqween the lines going on, but that's the impression I got. The impression you're getting is much differrent, but obviously as important; as is your (and my) right to express our opinions.

[/quote]it would be true also to say....women manipulate the unconscious mind of men just as much....therefore they are not truly ever getting to know a man either...[/quote]

How is putting your best foot foreward manipulation? I was never clear on that one.

[/quote]also u r judging....by casting ur opinion in what u endorse/support etc....make no mistake about that.....just as i am also making judgement..in usually a more extreme way(eheh...certainly earlier in this thread! ..i think to provoke debate/response mainly)...alas humans do this...i don't think i've ever met someone who doesn't, but many who do and say they don't.[/quote]

I am judging the matter of discussion; not outwardly insulting others, namecalling, etc. My posts certainly haven't been been as vehement or criticising as yours. You seem to make it a point of viewing everything I say in the worst possible light, and dismiss most/all of what I have said as nonsense or evil.

I've said all that I wanted to say, and possibly more, so I leave you the field.

Now that I have reread the article and posts, I can start to see why some people didn't like what DataSage was saying, as he encourages a set of behaviors and that seems worse than the less active seduction of brushing teeth, shaving, and the like (probably because that's what's been drilled into guys from very early on: look nice, be gentlemanly and that's how you get a gf. But I usually remember it as "look nice and act nice"... kinda makes me think an act to start a relationship is not a bad place to begin).
I have talked to my brother who is NT, has alot of friends, had 2+ gfs, etc. a while ago and he said to my inquiry on if I should ask a girl out based solely on looks, "The relationship has to start somewhere." I of course am not endorsing that we should be shallow and try to marry a hot girl, but if you really like how she looks, than that is as good of a reason to (initially) start the "epic journey" to be "coupled" (and get some practice for the "soul mate"). Also, as Hitch says in Hitch, 95% of women judge men on the first kiss... so how could someone that hasn't kissed a girl be a good kisser? Just because you are acting for your first girlfriends does not mean you will act like the "alpha male" for all your girlfriends (made that mistake with fantasies, really messed me up for a couple of years).