Social Value Tests: Women's ways of assessing men

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How do you know that you were never manipulated?

Do Aspie women play such games?

Quick Definition: Often unconscious (and sometimes conscious) tests that women throw at men in order to quickly determine their social status. It is a more specific instance of a “congruence test.” You may also refer to them as Social value or dominant tests.

The best way to respond to a test: It really depends on the situation, it will determine how needy you are or how much of a challenge you are. If you act or behave in a way that fails the test, your value will quickly go down and attraction will be lost. It is up to us to be able to recognise these tests and intercept them in a way that brings us out with the upper hand.

I know personally Face_of_Boo has mentioned quite a few examples of women testing him, I have also come across it and I feel we need to address this matter.

For instance one girl said she was going to be half an hour late for a date so I didn't respond, she quickly responded with just kidding and turned up first, this is a good example. Another example is when a woman says she has a boyfriend, in some cases this can be a bluff.

Key: Remember it is woman's natural instinct to try to get you to play putty in her hands, in other words this is to determine your social value. Once she established that you will play putty in her hands, she will lose attraction. Realize this, analyse the situation and act accordingly in a way that puts her in her place.

Don't act desperate - it's as simple as that.
A major key for young guys on the spectrum or even older guys who are getting into dating. Don't act desperate or needy, I didn't turn up for a date Friday and I'm meeting her again on Tuesday, delay the date, act like you are busy. The goal is to make yourself the challenge, remember love is a battlefield.

What is s**t Test?

Quick Definition: Often unconscious (and sometimes conscious) tests that women throw at men in order to quickly determine their social status. A s**t test is a more specific instance of a “congruence test.”

Full Definition:

A s**t test is when a woman gives a guy a hard time, usually for the purpose of seeing how he will react. Because women (especially attractive women) are hit on all the time, they have developed behaviors that quickly disqualify potential suitors that are not of a high enough value for her. The s**t test is one way to do this. s**t tests can be challenges, IODs, or reframes that an HB throws to test the PUA.

For example, a woman might suddenly change threads and start talking about sex very explicitly, to test the PUA’s reaction to the story. This is a congruency test of the pickup artist’s sexual experience. s**t tests can also take the form of insults. For example, when a pick up artist goes up to a woman and compliments her shoes, she might reply with a snide comment such as, “Thanks, but why are you looking at my shoes?” The PUA can choose to interpret this comment in a variety of ways. Is it a genuine question? Does the artist answer directly or indirectly? A quick way is to acknowledge it, and move on: “yes, I love style and I happened to notice your shoes. So what brings you out here tonight?” The PUA can also escalate the situation, emulating the case of poker. “I love shoes. I’m totally gay.” Saying this will escalate the playfullness of the situation, but expect more s**t tests and congruence tests to follow along this line. Doing these things demonstrates that he is confident and unruffled by her comments, effectively “passing” the test.

Another form of s**t test is when a woman immediately disqualifies herself as a potential suitor by saying a comment such as “I have a boyfriend” or “I’m a lesbian.” Again, such comments can be interpreted in several ways: a) the woman really does have a boyfriend or is a lesbian, b) the woman is not interested in talking to anyone, or c) the woman is throwing a s**t test to see how the PUA will react. If it is the latter, the PUA can overcome it by, again, ignoring it, agreeing with it, or making a joke about it. Tyler Durden used to say, “ignore everything that the women does or says that is not assisting with the process of seduction.” Essentially, acknowledge all forward advancements of game, and ignore any deviations from it. Mystery would agree, in that the M3 model and the attraction model are based off the woman’s game frame, not the man’s.

Recognizing s**t tests can be difficult, especially since the comment could be interpreted in several different ways. For example, a s**t test could be a way to test congruency, a genuine IOD (slight negative starting value), her being in a bad mood, her having her b***h shield up, and, of course, being a real b***h. Usually, the best frame to take is that of the confident and best self. If s**t tests are obviously being thrown, don’t give up! Continue plowing until the set hooks or the PUA is clearly blown out. Some of our best lines came from women who were giving us s**t in a set. You may lose the battle, but you’ll learn something in the process.

^ Yes.

I also dislike how the post seems to imply all women do this and men don't.

Because I always knew what was going on, they always did what I suspected they would do. The game is not spontaneous, it's programmed, and when the woman is intelligent and her reaction is not in "the book", the game sinks.

I'm talking about GAMING, in capital letters, not healthy flirting. When a man wants to play one of these games, he doesn't want the women being at the same level than him, he will always want advantage. You get the advantage manipulating the situation, performing some acting and using pseudo-psychology to get the lady as quick as possible.

In healthy flirting, the man wants the woman responding at the same level and vice versa, so the flirty performances in this context are normal.

Nice people is not the equivalent of idiot. I was never manipulated and I started all my dates being nice.

WTF?

How do you know you werent manipulated? If one of your dates ended up "gaming" you yet you had already agreed to a date doesnt that count as manipulation? You fell for it for just enough to get the date. And thats just the ones youve noticed. That doesnt count either how many times you could have subconsciously tried to manipulate someone.

How do you know you werent manipulated? If one of your dates ended up "gaming" you yet you had already agreed to a date doesnt that count as manipulation? You fell for it for just enough to get the date. And thats just the ones youve noticed. That doesnt count either how many times you could have subconsciously tried to manipulate someone.

Because I always knew what was going on, they always did what I suspected they would do.

This sounds familiar

http://www.pualingo.com/pua-definitions/sh**-test/

Somehow unsurprising since most of the advice you give is based on PUA, including your examples with PUA terminology.


Nothing has implied that. This sounds like you're looking for someone to blame for something. Its been well said already that both sides play games. And like the first line of that PUA site says it can be either conscious or not. Most of these sh** tests are in reality failed attempts at witty comments in hopes to smoothly reject a guy. That some guys decide to play ball with such indirect action is all to the fault of the person doing the rejecting.

But lets face it, the reason PUA has grown into what it is simply put, it has a potential to work. And thats potential, not guarantee. Id say it honestly wont work for most. Just like the mindgame columns on womens mags like cosmopolitan. All this mindgame stuff has its limits. Because lets be honest people are thicker than to be controlled that easily. Especially in a world of people looking out for it. Both fields have good information, but you have to sift through a lot to find it.

Just got back from a date, got another one tomorrow so I've been a bit busy.

To be honest, pick up artist is bound isn't going to hurt and to have the knowledge available to use won't be detrimental in any way to the person or relationship. In fact, it will give them a greater chance of being able to start a relationship and to know what to look out for.

The simple fact is that even the most subtle of women play games in a very subtle manner, it's being able to pick up on it, assess it and realize what you need to do.

Just got back from a date, got another one tomorrow so I've been a bit busy.

To be honest, pick up artist is bound isn't going to hurt and to have the knowledge available to use won't be detrimental in any way to the person or relationship. In fact, it will give them a greater chance of being able to start a relationship and to know what to look out for.

The simple fact is that even the most subtle of women play games in a very subtle manner, it's being able to pick up on it, assess it and realize what you need to do.

Nice find, man. And I do remember what Boo said in the past!

reread what i said. Im calling out on sugarcoating things. On saying whats been said before but calling it something else to gain a greater audience. We all know pua is bs, we all know the only reasons for it to work are simply going through more women to increase the chances of finding one, we all know that the games played are going to make that one found not last long. Have you considered it to be why your dates never go so well? Maybe you sold them a dream and didnt deliver on it. Maybe the ones that fall for this isnt the type of woman youd like to keep.

anyways, whats your next thread? DHVing?