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techstepgenr8tion
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23 Sep 2012, 2:35 pm

The tricky part is you have to be noncynical, have a lot of self awareness, make a very self-aware choice to be with another self-aware and noncynical persion. After that the challenge is for both of you to STAY there no matter what kinds of rubbish you're getting from the outside world or what kinds of friends your guy friends or girl friends are putting up in your ear about what they or you don't see of your partner's life or motivations. For the last part yes, there's a thing called denial but that's not really in effect until they've broken your trust and you're much better off trusting them as fully as possible until they've concretely done so.



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23 Sep 2012, 5:02 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
The tricky part is you have to be noncynical, have a lot of self awareness, make a very self-aware choice to be with another self-aware and noncynical persion. After that the challenge is for both of you to STAY there no matter what kinds of rubbish you're getting from the outside world or what kinds of friends your guy friends or girl friends are putting up in your ear about what they or you don't see of your partner's life or motivations. For the last part yes, there's a thing called denial but that's not really in effect until they've broken your trust and you're much better off trusting them as fully as possible until they've concretely done so.


Wouldn't being non cynical make you susceptible to any rubbish?



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23 Sep 2012, 5:12 pm

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Wouldn't being non cynical make you susceptible to any rubbish?

No. Cynicism really isn't thought, its more a form of pseudo-thought that masquerades as something intellectually lofty but has little or no separation from any other fear based heuristics that our society has come up with in its existence. Some times people run in fear, sometimes people hate in fear, often enough these days people try to lob sarcasm from up on a pair of stilts and pretend its something different.



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23 Sep 2012, 6:19 pm

How to love 101
and
What is love 101
read them
I can easily slip into
cynicism and being closed off
it seems safer
till the walls
start caving in
all alone



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23 Sep 2012, 9:05 pm

What's the point in loving someone when they don't love you back?


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23 Sep 2012, 9:08 pm

You are loving the wrong person



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23 Sep 2012, 10:30 pm

Surfman wrote:
You are loving the wrong person
Its a good thing I'm not with anyone then such a waste of emotions.


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23 Sep 2012, 11:17 pm

True love is for people that watch too many romantic comedies. Its all about compatibility. If you find someone you have a good amount in common with, can get along with easily, and have a certain level of mutual attraction then I personally think that is enough.



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24 Sep 2012, 12:07 am

Colinn wrote:
True love is for people that watch too many romantic comedies. Its all about compatibility. If you find someone you have a good amount in common with, can get along with easily, and have a certain level of mutual attraction then I personally think that is enough.
I guess you may be right about that but people like that are extremely hard to come by esspecially for an aspie.


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24 Sep 2012, 12:28 am

When I first experienced what I thought to be "love" I decided to do a lot of research on the neuroscience behind it to help understand it, because I too didn't really know what it was....take what I say with a grain of salt, I just am offering how I look at things, which is more scientific in nature, and that's one way of doing so. Interestingly enough there does seem to be evidence for there being a differentiation in the brain between sexual lust and love, though the two regions are closely intertwined. There does seem to be enough fMRI evidence though for "love", as well as different stages of love, for example passionate love is at the beginning and then more long term close bonding, with reduced passion but increased security. (I'm kind of paraphrasing on the research here but if anyone is interested enough I could pull up my old links to show that I'm not just making stuff up haha). Oxytocin and dopamine are the major neurotransmitters responsible, it seems.

To a certain degree I do think love is a fairytale, and that it's really just a big mush of brain chemicals....it's comparable to a brain on drugs like cocaine, and I think it must be very powerful and addictive to love someone and have them love you back, no wonder our race has always been obsessed with it. But people find poetry in everything so I guess "love" is the romanticized version of a bunch of chemicals rolling around our heads....I guess it depends on how you think about it, but sometimes I do truly believe I'm far to analytical to ever fall truly in love. So maybe it's subjective, it's true if you believe in the fairytale but isn't if you don't. Ignorance is bliss.



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24 Sep 2012, 3:34 am

pair bonding creates ease and a nurturing environment
art can flourish, joy can reach its highest expressions when hormone powered
compare living a bland salt and pepper only diet of an institutionalised and incarcerated individual
most human pair bonds and are 'in love' by all accounts, many even breed little aspies like us, who may copulate and make spawn in later life anyhoos invalidating their earlier beliefs



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24 Sep 2012, 5:04 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOmIr4TR9lU[/youtube] :lol:


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24 Sep 2012, 6:18 pm

Only the strong can love, the gutless will have to do without because they have been too hurt now, it is finished for them. They will have to beat of to porn for the rest of their lives, eat TV dinners with a blanket on their knees



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25 Sep 2012, 12:26 am

"Love" is nothing more than a combination of lust, the need for companionship, reproductive drive, and status seeking. Nothing more.



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25 Sep 2012, 2:08 am

True love is a noble art near long forgotten
And would you decide how the story be read?
Alone and ah hem, distracted
Or sharing your times with a mate

Choose your destiny



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25 Sep 2012, 3:16 am

Surfman wrote:
True love is a noble art near long forgotten
And would you decide how the story be read?
Alone and ah hem, distracted
Or sharing your times with a mate

Choose your destiny


If you said that to someone or even a woman around here, you would get called a p**** or a weirdo.