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No, the point is that some guys are just lucky.

The thing that those guys have going for them is that they know how to flirt and they aren't afraid of talking to girls. Something that the normal guys you are talking about probably do not know.

Also it is silly to attribute male success in dating to luck because that is like saying that what women are attracted to is completely random. It seems to be like you're saying that neither women nor men have any control over their dating success, which I find silly.

And all of you people should stop talking about PUA because it's obvious you've never used it, or at least the type that I tried. If you're interested in looking at what I used, then look up the "Ultimate Guide to Conversation" (I know the title is kind of cheesy). It's kind of expensive so you might not want to buy it. It's not really sexist or manipulative or anything like that. All it teaches you is how to flirt and what typical women like to talk about. Making yourself more attractive is not the same as manipulating people. I don't use it anymore more out of personal preference than because I thought it was amoral. It takes a lot of work to do it right if you're autistic, which I didn't enjoy, and I think flirting on the whole is silly and unattractive. Actually, it's probably wrong to say that I don't use it anymore. When I want to impress somebody I probably do use some of the social skills I learned from it somewhat unconsciously, but only those which I can do with reasonable effort and those that I feel like suit my personality.

girls liked you before pua in HS, girls liked you afterwards/thread.

I love how most of the guys here blame their lack of success on how shallow/vapid women are, say it's just 'luck' if other guys are able to date, blame it on their not-Brad-Pitt-looks, lack of money, lack of a good job, lack of a nice car, etc....

Heaven forbid a woman who's not interested in dating someone who so obviously despises everything and sees nothing wrong with their desire to simply use a woman -- excuse me, a HOT woman -- periodically as a penis receptacle.

Here's a thought: Stop hating everything, and make an effort to at least pretend like you're not an as*hole, and see if your "luck" doesn't improve.

The above goes for about 70% of the guys here, from what I've seen.

If you had read my comments, then you would know that the girls who "liked" me before "pua" didn't even know who I was and just wanted sex. After I looked into that stuff I was actually able to get the girls that I was interested in to have conversations with me. I was not able to get conversations with any girl at any time beforehand. Also note that I quit getting offers after High School, probably because most of the girls grew up and the ones that didn't aren't at college.

I'm done responding to people in this post because I am tired of clarifying everything I say over and over again.

dude, you're not going to get anywhere. just ignore him and focus on those that want to hear, not argue

all pick up artists care about is sex..girls liked you before pua girls like you after.

also mxh shut up don't tell people to ignore me.

im not an as*hole and am kind of timid/shy in real life, and when im not timid/shy im very nice sociable(i would say i am like this 51 percent of time)

guys on this forum didn't start out hating nd being bitter they are this way after continued failure./ adam is 30 and a virgin which is pathetic(not saying he
s pathetic but pathetic he hasnt been able to ge this first kiss despite trying so hard!! !!)

You conveniently ignored the part where I said they have NOTHING GOING FOR THEM including not being able to talk to girls. When I say "nothing" I literally mean nothing and am not exaggerating.

And yeah, there are some things that just happen randomly sometimes, including guys like this one I know getting dates. It's too bad some of that can't happen to me. If you're gonna sit there and tell me that it comes down to skill every single time, you're not only mistaken, but naive as well. Or you live in a utopia. Whichever.

Can you be more specific? What sort of ridiculous things did he mean?

BINGO!!

Wow, you're kinda....off the mark there. Just a tad though.

I don't "hate everything" and don't care about sex. If I cared about sex I most certainly wouldn't still be a virgin (I'd have paid for sex, in other words, if I wanted it that badly. As it is I'm actually pretty much asexual). What I do hate is how a lot of people get things handed to them with no effort even if they are as*holes or don't deserve what they got for some other reason. The people who put in the most effort used to be the one to get the spoils, for lack of a better term. These days everything is handed to random schmoes off the street or people who just happen beautiful on the outside. Hell, it even works that way outside the dating realm these days, so not only do some people have sh***y luck with that part of their lives, you can bet those same people are having a bad time outside of that as well. It's an ugly truth but if you don't realize that's the truth these days, then maybe you should get out more. Or maybe you just haven't experienced much strife. If you haven't then I hope you never do. Strife breaks you; it doesn't build character like people claim.

I'm actually a pretty likeable guy. I only bite if someone says something stupid or judges me without knowing me. I get told all the time how funny, sweet, manly, smart (sometimes, for people who ACTUALLY know me and don't judge just based on speech, although this is very rare), etc. I am but on top of that I rarely have women liking me at all. If they do it seems to be ones with boyfriends or ones with abhorrent personalities. Most of them just judge me based on my looks or speech and decide I'm a creeper or just some ret*d dude.

I dated men when I was 21. I met them all online from a kinky dating site. I was extroverted at the time and I felt so NT because I was out meeting these men and we would walk around or go to my aunt and uncle's house I was living at and we be in my room doing our kink. They all messaged me online but when I did send a PM to one man who lived an hour from me, he never responded so I seemed to have better luck when men approached me, not me approaching them first. I did show my PM I sent the person to one of my online friends for his honest feedback and he told me I went too fast with it. I don't know what to tell a person when you are interested in them for meeting them or for dating so I didn't bother again. I was better at when they made the first move, not me.

But when I told my mother about all this, she was not happy with me because none of this was considered "normal" and she does not like what I do so she wasn't happy with me meeting all these men and doing our kink and she told me don't run crying to her if I get raped.

But this was how I met my husband except it was on an adult forum about our kink. My parents like my husband and my mother knows about it but my husband doesn't know that she knows.

The truth is I think the reason why this was so easy was because I was female and all these men were looking for a female into it and tons of them scare away women because they find them all creepy. I didn't because I don't know any difference. I have my own perception of creepiness. Other women's typical perception of it is a lot more narrower than mine. But I felt very good about myself and normal. Plus I took the website too literal when I was creating my profile and it left me examples about descriptions about yourself and one of them was bust size so I put that in. When I took it out, I got less messages, go figure. Then I met my husband on a forum and it was over my stories I had written, not because I was looking for men and women in my area when I posted that thread there asking if anyone was in my area and if they want to meet up and have fun. Then I had to stop the madness when my husband told me he didn't want men doing that kink with me or else it be cheating on him and only he can do it. I took down my profile off the dating site. Funny enough, even my own mother agrees it be cheating on him also.

I do have a nice essay with interests and do reply about common interests in women's essays but it hasn't helped me that much. When you're over 40 and live in a highly conservative area like I do, most women still only want a guy with his own house, nice full time job & car, and goes to church regularly. (And expects the guy to do everything) If you lack even one or two of those "conditions" you will never get a reply. That's why I tend to date low income or disabled women. But then religion still seems to be the biggest condition on most profiles (I am not). I finally found and joined an agnostic meetup group in my area and have already met some nice and very open minded people that don't care if you work at home or you're religious preferences (or lack of). And they all enjoy good conversation. At least there is always hope! I also have a slightly disabled facebook friend of a woman I dated a few months ago start chatting with me and seems to be getting interested in me.

yeah and a lot of these guys have been able to pull girls since high school