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25 Jan 2013, 10:05 pm

Single women should start pretending to be in a relationship with a construction-worker boyfriend, so other guys will want to pursue her and hypothetically get their ass beat in the process. :roll:



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25 Jan 2013, 10:16 pm

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As far as I can tell a third of the posters in this thread right now are women.


Then the majority of posters aren't women. What's your point?

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A woman started it, and was not talking about being on the receiving end of that trick. Why do you think strategies are just for men only? Why do you think you can speak for all men, or know what all women like? If you think women never want to be in a relationship for love in the first place, why would you try to pursue them? I really hope you're gay or asexual.


Cuckolded men often seek vengeance. Men are therefore weary of pursuing women already in relationships, for fear of violent reprisals and the woman's lack of fidelity. It doesn't work the other way around. A woman who is cheated on probably isn't going to blow the woman's head off or beat her up; instead, she'll split up with the guy. A gay or asexual individual could make the same observation.



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25 Jan 2013, 10:31 pm

Telekon wrote:
A gay or asexual individual could make the same observation.


:roll: I'm saying, if you hate women so much, why would you want to try and date them?



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25 Jan 2013, 10:32 pm

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(it's not that hard to acquire [a girlfriend])


lol'd for days


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25 Jan 2013, 11:39 pm

idk why this thread reminds me of dating profiles that talk of how "not easy" and how shes not going to put out then you go to the pics section and the photo with the most clothing she has is with a bikini.
inever got the point of that.



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25 Jan 2013, 11:51 pm

Anomiel wrote:
:roll: I'm saying, if you hate women so much, why would you want to try and date them?


If anyone in this thread hates people it's you. All I said was that men shouldn't adopt this approach (unless they want casual sex), and that women desire status in a mate. Your response was hysterical, full of irrelevant questions (like why I want to date women) capped off with a malicious remark. You're trying to make this personal over something I didn't say. No sane person would conclude that I hate women from either of my posts.



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26 Jan 2013, 12:57 am

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Women are famous for using men to boost their status. [...] Women are obsessed with this crap, while men just want pretty girls, but we're the ones who get called "shallow"!


You can't expect to post such hateful remarks and not have a single person take issue with it. I'm just the one calling it out.



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26 Jan 2013, 2:34 am

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[Jack Tripper says:] Lordy lordy lordy... GAAAAACK!! !!

If the people in question would only stop and think about this "poaching" business... stealing someone else's partner means infidelity... infidelity once likely equals infidelity again.

Both people in this new relationship are probably slightly aware that either one will "trade up" again should a better offer arise. What kind of long-term deal is that??

[sigh] Well... if you're not in it for the long haul anyways... :shrug:

bleh. Humans. I give up. ;)



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26 Jan 2013, 3:34 am

Interesting read. I find it strange because when it comes to me, I get completely turned off when I find out a guy is taken(if I were single at that). I see them as I see girls if they are taken.



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26 Jan 2013, 4:34 am

Tried and Tested.

It was a huge success, because it kept the person at bay. The whole "I need to be in touch every minute of the day", or, "I will call you every day", is not for me. So by trying out this method once, I admit it was perfect. I always had to be *careful*, because the *imaginary* husband might be around, or busy a certain time, when all I wanted was to basque in my solitude and read or just...be.

It came even more handy that I could never go out to bars or clubs or some other social event, *shudder*.

It was all in the name of research, the trial and test, because that's what I have had to do all my life. It might not have worked out for someone else, or *with* someone else, but it did for me. The fact I was a professional actress helped immensely because I had a "role".

But I haven't done it ever since. Maybe I should. Truth is, lies make me nervous, they increase my anxiety, and then....there is always the possibility that feelings flourish and I have been lying to the person.

Ohhhhhhh Hyper, you have opened a can of worms. :oops:

The irony is, I actually thought the guy I was last seeing, wasn't married at all, and had made up the whole story for the same reasons.



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26 Jan 2013, 5:45 am

I kind of reluctantly admit that I have read a bit of PUA stuff, I mean what guy hasn't perused it? Specifically some of the writings that 'Mystery' put out, and you know his entire philosophy on picking up when revolves 100% around this fact that women are far more attracted to a man who appears taken, or who has multiple women after him. He even has a whole theory around it called 'preselection theory'.

Basically his entire technique is make women believe you are already 'preselected' by other women. Make it seem like you have already had sex with lots of pretty girls, have girls after you. Replicate the personality, body manners, ways of talking, ways of acting of a male who has had sex with hundreds of sexy women. He states that hitting this 'preselection trigger hard-wired in a womens brain' is the single most important thing to attract her.

Actually just here it straight from his mouth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfYspQaxPp0

And it's absolutely stupid, but it's absolutely true....

The girls who has showed any interest in me, I managed to hit this preselection trigger in them, they thought I had lots of women after me. In fact, the first, and only girlfriend I had, after about 6 months into the relationship she straight up said "I thought you were the type of guy who would have lots of women after him and I would have to fight them off, but you aren't like that". She said this like it was some big issue, after this sunk into her head things started going downhill, eventually broke up. She was only initially strongly attracted to me because she thought I had lots of women after me, when she realized that wasn't the case, she began to lose interest.

These statistics show that hitting this 'preselection trigger' is actually one of the single most important things to hit.

I think its just really stupid. I think the sexual instincts of women are quite primal, and not based on alot of intelligent thought process. I attribute it to women being much more in a 'herd' mentality.

Due to our roles in ancient tribal cultures, women are not accustomed to being the ones that go out into the unknown wild and hunt for something, hack down new paths. In ancient tribal culture those are tasks men primarily took on. Whereas women had a larger tendency to stay back, deal with domestic aspect of the tribes, making babies, taking care of them, tended to taking care of the village, tending to gardens, they tended to stay in situations where they would be around other women talking. Thus women are inherently far more social, their brain is far more hard-wired to being social. Because of this social validation is the primary mechanism they run on for deducing whats true and correct. This goes over into their sexual instinct. Where sexual lust is created entirely by social validation, by what integrates into the herd more easily.

Which this is all a mechanism that evolved from our tribal social constructs. But in today's world I feel it's kind of stupid. Women don't fully assess a man based on analytical thought process, or looking at what he himself is as an individual. They assess a man based on how other women have assessed the man.

Which can work out well in some cases. But I see this sort of herd mentality in womens sexual attraction making alot of women end up chasing after straight up idiots and losers. I mean for example, bartenders, they tend to get women like crazy, there highly social, I've seen women madly in love with bartenders, fighting over them, spending so much time stressing over them and who they like. I'm just like, he's a damn bartender, come on. Actually the same thing is true for drug dealers, I've never encountered a drug dealer that didn't have a bunch of women after him, because selling drugs gets into social circles, gets lots of women around you, which results in you hitting the preselection trigger in women. I've encountered beautiful, respectable women who are 'madly' in love with some low life sh***y drug dealer and I'm just like how... why???? The guy's an idiot, he sells drugs to make his living, he treats people like s**t, he treats women like s**t, seen him treat his woman like s**t. But all these women are after him, madly in love with him, just because due to his position of being in close cohorts with so many women he hits the 'pre-selection trigger'.

I've actually lost complete respect for some women over this who, I initially respected highly. It's just like, come on, apply some intelligent thought process and perception to this thing. Any moron can stand tall and proud and act like he's f****d alot of women, it doesn't mean s**t. But it does continue to fool the majority of women who have absolutely no capacity of being able to judge the value of a male other than herd mentality. I say that based on evaluating the relationships of the people I know, I can only think of two relationships where the female intelligently, and cognitively, all on her individual self, specifically picked her mate. Everyone else seems to of just ended up where they ended up after going through the cycles of this 'herd mentality' sexual attraction wore them out and they just ended up with what they ended up with.

For a while I bought into Mystery's whole philosophy on hitting the 'pre-selection' trigger, but then I decided I am not going to go around trying to exploit an archaic idiot psychological mechanism in women that simply shouldn't exist. If a women does not have the mental capacity to evaluate me, for me, on her own individual thought process, she can go screw around with whatever male can put on the useless act who will trigger the proper emotions in her through archaic brain circuits.



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26 Jan 2013, 7:00 am

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Women are famous for using men to boost their status.

whoa, this goes too far. of course some women are like that, but it doesn't make it such a huge majority. did you notice that the original study was discussing single women? that isn't all of them, it is a certain group. and your post has nothing at all to do with that. what does "boosting status" have to do with being attracted to attached men? nothing at all. women LOSE status if/when they poach, trust me.

do not use my thread as an excuse to put down women in general. it's intended as an idea that you an agree or disagree with. you might find it to be a horrible way to try to manipulate other people, even. but that is not reason to bring remarks like this into the thread.

(oh, and men and women DO both poach. there is even a whole website devoted to men poaching on taken women called Ashley Madison. so it isn't some rare animal)


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26 Jan 2013, 7:06 am

you know, i was not aware it was used in PUA materials, because i don't read PUA stuff. i wonder if it is only effective for initial attraction?

i guess one other problem is that it only works on one small set of women and not the rest. for me, if a guy was in a current relationship, he may as well have been gay. but if he was single, it was like he was golden. i dated virginal guys who never had relationships before too. but i do see and observe something similar around me, and i think a guy in demand will seem more attractive to _some_ women... but not the rest.

so i dunno. maybe it's not enough women to make a difference anyways. maybe it's sexually competitive women who like men like that. for me, if i felt like i had to compete in any way, i opted out altogether. i figured the guy either wants me or not, and i don't need the stress of worrying about some other woman.


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26 Jan 2013, 7:09 am

many people prefer an affair for the suppression of some intimacies



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26 Jan 2013, 9:27 am

Surfman, I'm lost? How does that work?



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26 Jan 2013, 10:21 am

hyperlexian wrote:
you know, i was not aware it was used in PUA materials, because i don't read PUA stuff. i wonder if it is only effective for initial attraction?

Yes, I dont think anyone (man or woman) would be turned on by the idea of constantly sneaking behind anothers back. This seems to be the adult way of how little kids always want what their friends have.
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i guess one other problem is that it only works on one small set of women and not the rest. for me, if a guy was in a current relationship, he may as well have been gay. but if he was single, it was like he was golden. i dated virginal guys who never had relationships before too. but i do see and observe something similar around me, and i think a guy in demand will seem more attractive to _some_ women... but not the rest.

so i dunno. maybe it's not enough women to make a difference anyways. maybe it's sexually competitive women who like men like that. for me, if i felt like i had to compete in any way, i opted out altogether. i figured the guy either wants me or not, and i don't need the stress of worrying about some other woman.


IDK about in your article but atleast in the PUA sense of the word its not supposed to be very vocally about being taken. Its to act as if youve been with enough women to not care. Which is what I think of when I hear the phrases like "talking with confidence".