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16 Mar 2013, 8:52 pm

And, for the ladies

Robert Herrick wrote:
GATHER ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old Time is still a-flying:
And this same flower that smiles to-day
To-morrow will be dying.

The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun,
The higher he 's a-getting,
The sooner will his race be run,
And nearer he 's to setting.

That age is best which is the first,
When youth and blood are warmer;
But being spent, the worse, and worst
Times still succeed the former.

Then be not coy, but use your time,
And while ye may, go marry:
For having lost but once your prime,
You may for ever tarry.



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16 Mar 2013, 8:55 pm

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Funny how most of the things you said to stop doing are very common human traits

Funny how the most common human traits often lead to failure and "victim-itis".



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16 Mar 2013, 8:55 pm

No, I don't wanna gather rosebuds!



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16 Mar 2013, 9:10 pm

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No, I don't wanna gather rosebuds!


Okay, but, remember, this same flower that smiles today tomorrow will be dying.



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16 Mar 2013, 9:12 pm

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No, I don't wanna gather rosebuds!


Okay, but, remember, this same flower that smiles today tomorrow will be dying.


It's better I don't gather them in that case. I don't need a bunch of flower corpses rotting in my room!



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16 Mar 2013, 9:15 pm

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Funny how most of the things you said to stop doing are very common human traits

Funny how the most common human traits often lead to failure and "victim-itis".


Not so much failure and "victim-itis" but the oh so quick "us versus them" pack-mentality people take on.


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16 Mar 2013, 9:46 pm

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Nothing upsetting with asking that, and yes I have, and no I don't really because their answers are always the same. "Take these pills". But the pills. never. work. All they do is make me more miserable.

They don't make me feel any better, they destroy my sex drive, and make me so lethargic I get even less done than normal.

So I quit taking them, and when I quit taking them I'm an 'uncooperative patient' and then they quit letting me talk to the therapists.


What kind of situation are you in, that you have to see a psychiatrist BEFORE you can see a psychologist/therapist? In my experience, people usually see a psychologist or therapist first, and then this person MAY suggest seeing a psychiatrist if it seems there are more chemical/medical issues there. Though I find that most psychologists are actually quite wary of people taking pills, and try their darnedest to help their clients find other ways.

You may not be like me, but I have discovered I NEED a psychologist both for emotional support, and to coach me in dealing with the world, to recognize when my behavior patterns get in my way and tell me how to approach situations differently. Well, some of the latter can be provided by my family, since I still live at home, but if I didn't have them I'd be totally dependent on the advice of a professional.

You say above that you keep getting "rejected"--is it by women? by employers? by college degree programs? by your own family? Each of those requires a different approach to overcome, though the "common denominator" is needing some people skills. I have, by working with professionals, progressed very significantly on being able to interact in a work/university setting, without stepping on toes or making people feel I'm rude, demanding, or going outside the boundaries of my entitlement/authority. Even things such as how you phrase an email can have significant consequences.

Unfortunately I got this help too late to salvage my progress through my degree program. Now the part-time work I've been doing leaves much to be desired, but at least it's in my field. And I still don't have a satisfying social life, and my poor emotional health means I don't have the energy to give my work that I really should. But at least I have someone to talk to. And, I'm confident that when I do return to graduate school (which I still plan to do eventually), I will be able to handle interactions with others at my university.



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16 Mar 2013, 9:59 pm

lovely topic!



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16 Mar 2013, 10:38 pm

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Do you agree with this list? Do you do any of these things and do you wish to stop? Or did you do these things in the past... etc?

How do you think these behaviors impact relationships and have these behaviors from either yourself or your partner had an impact on your (past or present) relationships?


Yes, I agree with it. I've done most of these things before and still do some of them, though I'm trying to stop.

It seems as if experience is the best teacher when it comes to learning these life lessons. It's nice that someone (past their 20's?) has summed these ones up so eloquently.

Some of these behaviours have led to ruined friendships and people being disappointed in me. I've tried to learn from that so that I can be a better person now.


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17 Mar 2013, 1:09 am

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rabbittss wrote:
Nothing upsetting with asking that, and yes I have, and no I don't really because their answers are always the same. "Take these pills". But the pills. never. work. All they do is make me more miserable.

They don't make me feel any better, they destroy my sex drive, and make me so lethargic I get even less done than normal.

So I quit taking them, and when I quit taking them I'm an 'uncooperative patient' and then they quit letting me talk to the therapists.


What kind of situation are you in, that you have to see a psychiatrist BEFORE you can see a psychologist/therapist? In my experience, people usually see a psychologist or therapist first, and then this person MAY suggest seeing a psychiatrist if it seems there are more chemical/medical issues there. Though I find that most psychologists are actually quite wary of people taking pills, and try their darnedest to help their clients find other ways.

You may not be like me, but I have discovered I NEED a psychologist both for emotional support, and to coach me in dealing with the world, to recognize when my behavior patterns get in my way and tell me how to approach situations differently. Well, some of the latter can be provided by my family, since I still live at home, but if I didn't have them I'd be totally dependent on the advice of a professional.

You say above that you keep getting "rejected"--is it by women? by employers? by college degree programs? by your own family? Each of those requires a different approach to overcome, though the "common denominator" is needing some people skills. I have, by working with professionals, progressed very significantly on being able to interact in a work/university setting, without stepping on toes or making people feel I'm rude, demanding, or going outside the boundaries of my entitlement/authority. Even things such as how you phrase an email can have significant consequences.

Unfortunately I got this help too late to salvage my progress through my degree program. Now the part-time work I've been doing leaves much to be desired, but at least it's in my field. And I still don't have a satisfying social life, and my poor emotional health means I don't have the energy to give my work that I really should. But at least I have someone to talk to. And, I'm confident that when I do return to graduate school (which I still plan to do eventually), I will be able to handle interactions with others at my university.


I'm extremely low income and am basically forced to rely on public mental health. If I don't take the pills that the psychiatrist prescribes, I can't see the councillors. that's basically how the program works. You go and see the councilor for 1 or 2 sessions and then they send you in to see the psychiatrist who prescribes you with pills.. usually anti-psychotics like Geodon or something like it... and you're expected to take it for 3 months while still seeing the councilor once a month and then see the psych again so they can start to 'Tailor' your meds.. by which I mean up the dosage until you're a complete zombie.



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17 Mar 2013, 1:11 am

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rabbittss, almost nothing you wrote indicates that the problem is a lack of explanation of how to do these things. It mostly just seems like you are complaining about the advice or complaining about your life and other people.

You seem like you have a lot of built up anger and you also described depressive episodes up there, I'm being serious, not trying to upset you, but have you got anyone to talk to, like a counselor? Have you ever seen a therapist or a doctor about your depression and low moods?


Nothing upsetting with asking that, and yes I have, and no I don't really because their answers are always the same. "Take these pills". But the pills. never. work. All they do is make me more miserable.

They don't make me feel any better, they destroy my sex drive, and make me so lethargic I get even less done than normal.

So I quit taking them, and when I quit taking them I'm an 'uncooperative patient' and then they quit letting me talk to the therapists.


Find a new therapist and tell them the side effects are awful and make you more autistic. That's what I said, and she said it was fine. "Some people on the spectrum don't respond well to those sorts of meds." See if they will accept recommending natural substances, like 5-HTP, St. J. Wort, and Ginseng for depression -- given your history of bad side effects.



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17 Mar 2013, 1:42 am

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rabbittss wrote:
meems wrote:
rabbittss, almost nothing you wrote indicates that the problem is a lack of explanation of how to do these things. It mostly just seems like you are complaining about the advice or complaining about your life and other people.

You seem like you have a lot of built up anger and you also described depressive episodes up there, I'm being serious, not trying to upset you, but have you got anyone to talk to, like a counselor? Have you ever seen a therapist or a doctor about your depression and low moods?


Nothing upsetting with asking that, and yes I have, and no I don't really because their answers are always the same. "Take these pills". But the pills. never. work. All they do is make me more miserable.

They don't make me feel any better, they destroy my sex drive, and make me so lethargic I get even less done than normal.

So I quit taking them, and when I quit taking them I'm an 'uncooperative patient' and then they quit letting me talk to the therapists.


Find a new therapist and tell them the side effects are awful and make you more autistic. That's what I said, and she said it was fine. "Some people on the spectrum don't respond well to those sorts of meds." See if they will accept recommending natural substances, like 5-HTP, St. J. Wort, and Ginseng for depression -- given your history of bad side effects.


I'm extremely low income and am basically forced to rely on public mental health. If I don't take the pills that the psychiatrist prescribes, I can't see the councillors. that's basically how the program works. You go and see the councilor for 1 or 2 sessions and then they send you in to see the psychiatrist who prescribes you with pills.. usually anti-psychotics like Geodon or something like it... and you're expected to take it for 3 months while still seeing the councilor once a month and then see the psych again so they can start to 'Tailor' your meds.. by which I mean up the dosage until you're a complete zombie.



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17 Mar 2013, 1:53 am

rabbittss wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
meems wrote:
rabbittss, almost nothing you wrote indicates that the problem is a lack of explanation of how to do these things. It mostly just seems like you are complaining about the advice or complaining about your life and other people.

You seem like you have a lot of built up anger and you also described depressive episodes up there, I'm being serious, not trying to upset you, but have you got anyone to talk to, like a counselor? Have you ever seen a therapist or a doctor about your depression and low moods?


Nothing upsetting with asking that, and yes I have, and no I don't really because their answers are always the same. "Take these pills". But the pills. never. work. All they do is make me more miserable.

They don't make me feel any better, they destroy my sex drive, and make me so lethargic I get even less done than normal.

So I quit taking them, and when I quit taking them I'm an 'uncooperative patient' and then they quit letting me talk to the therapists.


Find a new therapist and tell them the side effects are awful and make you more autistic. That's what I said, and she said it was fine. "Some people on the spectrum don't respond well to those sorts of meds." See if they will accept recommending natural substances, like 5-HTP, St. J. Wort, and Ginseng for depression -- given your history of bad side effects.


I'm extremely low income and am basically forced to rely on public mental health. If I don't take the pills that the psychiatrist prescribes, I can't see the councillors. that's basically how the program works. You go and see the councilor for 1 or 2 sessions and then they send you in to see the psychiatrist who prescribes you with pills.. usually anti-psychotics like Geodon or something like it... and you're expected to take it for 3 months while still seeing the councilor once a month and then see the psych again so they can start to 'Tailor' your meds.. by which I mean up the dosage until you're a complete zombie.


Then, take all that stuff yourself, get un-depressed, and go see a counselor again for something other than depression.

Trust me, you can take tons of ginseng and 5-HTP without poisoning yourself. I wish I could take more, but it hurts my stomach, especially the ginseng.



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17 Mar 2013, 3:00 am

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2. Stop trusting people.


No, I think some of us don't trust people enough. Learning whom to trust is a more important skill.

Perhaps the second one needs a sidenote that clarifies that its only people that dont deserve your trust you should avoid trusting.
As a rule I tend to trust someone unless I have a reason not to

Trusting strangers by itself isn´t too bad.
Just yesterday for example I got a free drink based on trusting the waiter even though he seemed too friendly(addressing to me as budy even though we had just interacted two or three times that night. )



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17 Mar 2013, 8:51 am

Tyri0n wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
meems wrote:
rabbittss, almost nothing you wrote indicates that the problem is a lack of explanation of how to do these things. It mostly just seems like you are complaining about the advice or complaining about your life and other people.

You seem like you have a lot of built up anger and you also described depressive episodes up there, I'm being serious, not trying to upset you, but have you got anyone to talk to, like a counselor? Have you ever seen a therapist or a doctor about your depression and low moods?


Nothing upsetting with asking that, and yes I have, and no I don't really because their answers are always the same. "Take these pills". But the pills. never. work. All they do is make me more miserable.

They don't make me feel any better, they destroy my sex drive, and make me so lethargic I get even less done than normal.

So I quit taking them, and when I quit taking them I'm an 'uncooperative patient' and then they quit letting me talk to the therapists.


Find a new therapist and tell them the side effects are awful and make you more autistic. That's what I said, and she said it was fine. "Some people on the spectrum don't respond well to those sorts of meds." See if they will accept recommending natural substances, like 5-HTP, St. J. Wort, and Ginseng for depression -- given your history of bad side effects.


I'm extremely low income and am basically forced to rely on public mental health. If I don't take the pills that the psychiatrist prescribes, I can't see the councillors. that's basically how the program works. You go and see the councilor for 1 or 2 sessions and then they send you in to see the psychiatrist who prescribes you with pills.. usually anti-psychotics like Geodon or something like it... and you're expected to take it for 3 months while still seeing the councilor once a month and then see the psych again so they can start to 'Tailor' your meds.. by which I mean up the dosage until you're a complete zombie.


Then, take all that stuff yourself, get un-depressed, and go see a counselor again for something other than depression.

Trust me, you can take tons of ginseng and 5-HTP without poisoning yourself. I wish I could take more, but it hurts my stomach, especially the ginseng.


no see, I can't go back to them because for 10 years they've got it marked down that I'm "Bi-Polar" and if I go back they will want to start treating me for that. So really I just am sort of screwed in the therapy department.



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17 Mar 2013, 8:40 pm

Some ideas of things to do:
Honestly, much of the stress that causes these symptoms is often relieved with stretching and physical activity, from what I've experienced and read.
Several herbs may help - not a herbologist, but people say they help. *Shrugs*
Ask others about and question yourself - find what you're "missing" or how you're percieved.
Taking time out for your own interests or just to find some quiet seems to help - if you find out how to achieve this in modern society, tell me.
Counter phobias - perhaps with other phobias, perhaps by intentionally facing them.

May work, may not.


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