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22 Mar 2013, 12:27 pm

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Take responsibility, change your manners and STOP presenting yourself as some sort of a hero or victim of your stories.
This^^^

How would you feel if she pulled this kind of thing with you?


I think I do have a fair point though, if I'm going to put a fair amount of effort into personal fitness, I accept and expect the same. I'm not imposing my standards upon any but it's how I feel personally, I am very clear about those standards. Everyone has requirements and standards, there's no point in pretending that we don't in an attempt to make ourselves look deeper.


Then stop trying to get people to mold to your standards.


But we have to mould to standards of others, we have to mould for job interviews, for dates..If anything, people do more moulding but I do agree that moulding should come from within, from passion and not from pressure.


No, you choose to mold to get that job, you choose to mold to for others standards. But you can't expect them to do the same for you, because its you choosing to fit in.


Well if that's the case, both people should come to a compromise.


And what were you compromising to with the girl in those chats? Because I didn't see any



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22 Mar 2013, 12:28 pm

Wolfheart wrote:
MXH wrote:
Wolfheart wrote:
MXH wrote:
Wolfheart wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
Lilya wrote:
Take responsibility, change your manners and STOP presenting yourself as some sort of a hero or victim of your stories.
This^^^

How would you feel if she pulled this kind of thing with you?


I think I do have a fair point though, if I'm going to put a fair amount of effort into personal fitness, I accept and expect the same. I'm not imposing my standards upon any but it's how I feel personally, I am very clear about those standards. Everyone has requirements and standards, there's no point in pretending that we don't in an attempt to make ourselves look deeper.


Then stop trying to get people to mold to your standards.


But we have to mould to standards of others, we have to mould for job interviews, for dates..If anything, people do more moulding but I do agree that moulding should come from within, from passion and not from pressure.


No, you choose to mold to get that job, you choose to mold to for others standards. But you can't expect them to do the same for you, because its you choosing to fit in.


Well if that's the case, both people should come to a compromise.


The problem sort of is that you didn't do that. Among other ways you chose to act.


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22 Mar 2013, 12:35 pm

Wolfheart wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
Lilya wrote:
Take responsibility, change your manners and STOP presenting yourself as some sort of a hero or victim of your stories.
This^^^

How would you feel if she pulled this kind of thing with you?


I think I do have a fair point though, if I'm going to put a fair amount of effort into personal fitness, I accept and expect the same. I'm not imposing my standards upon any but it's how I feel personally, I am very clear about those standards. Everyone has requirements and standards, there's no point in pretending that we don't in an attempt to make ourselves look deeper.


I can understand your entitlement to expect the same of your partner, but you completely avoided the points Geek and Lilya made which are dead on and the way you handled the ENTIRE situation was manipulative, in my mind (not necessarily the case) narcissistic, and very rude. Have you considered a second opinion on your diagnosis, Wolf? Not to see if you are Asperger's because I believe you are, but to see if you are co-morbid in any way?



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22 Mar 2013, 12:47 pm

Are apologies not an option for you? You owe this girl one big. You probably won't be able to fully mend the relationship with her but you can at least apologize for your aspie/roidrage/narcisism moment.



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22 Mar 2013, 12:50 pm

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Are apologies not an option for you? You owe this girl one big. You probably won't be able to fully mend the relationship with her but you can at least apologize for your aspie/roidrage/narcisism moment.
Indeed. Compromise a little, and be a good human being and say sorry at least.



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22 Mar 2013, 12:52 pm

JanuaryMan wrote:
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Are apologies not an option for you? You owe this girl one big. You probably won't be able to fully mend the relationship with her but you can at least apologize for your aspie/roidrage/narcisism moment.
Indeed. Compromise a little, and be a good human being and say sorry at least.

Agreed.



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22 Mar 2013, 1:02 pm

JanuaryMan wrote:
I can understand your entitlement to expect the same of your partner, but you completely avoided the points Geek and Lilya made which are dead on and the way you handled the ENTIRE situation was manipulative, in my mind (not necessarily the case) narcissistic, and very rude. Have you considered a second opinion on your diagnosis, Wolf? Not to see if you are Asperger's because I believe you are, but to see if you are co-morbid in any way?


Or the steroid/testosterone he's been taking is still in his system and affecting his personality.



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22 Mar 2013, 1:05 pm

Geekonychus wrote:
Are apologies not an option for you? You owe this girl one big. You probably won't be able to fully mend the relationship with her but you can at least apologize for your aspie/roidrage/narcisism moment.


I haven't taken steroids in a month and I feel that my point was fairly justified, however I admit my behaviour may been slightly inappropriate.



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22 Mar 2013, 1:07 pm

Dude... quit trying to defend yourself or excuse your actions.

You have no moral high ground to stand on.

What you did was disgusting.

Period.

Anybody would rage/cry after the sh%tty stunt you pulled - screwing them, then CRUSHING that person by dumping them for someone sexier, rubbing the new person in their face.

Low blow.

(I'd been on the receiving end of that deal long ago... I know how used and horrible it makes a person feel.)



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22 Mar 2013, 1:24 pm

I'm not saying anything is right or wrong, sometimes people argue, whatever happens happens. Sometimes neurotypical women can be so emotional and dynamic, there's no telling what can happen.

The world is a ruthless place and sometimes people can be volatile, dynamic and change in their behaviours, nothing is static and that is one thing I have realized. There are many variables and factors, I'm not breaking the law by simply stating my standards.



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22 Mar 2013, 1:29 pm

Are you familiar with the term 'Gaslighting'?



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22 Mar 2013, 1:34 pm

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I'm not saying anything is right or wrong, sometimes people argue, whatever happens happens. Sometimes neurotypical women can be so emotional and dynamic, there's no telling what can happen.


YOU are wrong - and what you did was wrong.

If you don't give a crap that you hurt people, congratulations on becoming a sociopath.



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22 Mar 2013, 1:37 pm

I'm appalled someone wouldn't even know what they did wrong when it was so obvious.


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22 Mar 2013, 1:40 pm

Wolfheart wrote:
The world is a ruthless place and sometimes people can be volatile, dynamic and change in their behaviours, nothing is static and that is one thing I have realized. There are many variables and factors, I'm not breaking the law by simply stating my standards.
I can be ALL those things from time to time but I still know how to apologise. :wink:



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22 Mar 2013, 1:48 pm

MY BF is very much semi-obsessed with working out and health a bit, but he never has put any pressure on me. If he ever said that stuff to be it'd be over in a heartbeat! No way will someone compare me to someone else or mold me into a workout freak. I actually sometimes feel bad my BF is too into that stuff to just stop , relax, and enjoy life.



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22 Mar 2013, 1:52 pm

It sounds to me like egocentrism is the underlying issue in this situation