Why NT`s are not atracted to aspies?

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10 Jun 2013, 10:14 pm

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NT's are probably attracted to Aspies in equal proportion to other NT's. The difference is probably perception. You didn't notice the hints or attraction indicators. He/She walked out disapointed that you completely ignored them.

But after contact is made; and it becomes evident that this person is not "normal" in the traditional sence. You can do one of three things; take the easy road and say thanks but no thanks. Keep a close friendship as see if the difficulties can be ironed out. Take on the challange and try to make this work.

I have no data what proportion of the obove list people will do. But I can see that from initial contact, to making an attempt, a lot of possible suiters have been weeded out of the lineup before anything even gets serious.

So, I think it is perception your seeing, not the reality of attraction.
I think there is less inital attraction because some of us have something about us that is off compared to NTs. We may move or seem arkward, we may have hygene issues, wearing ugly or unfashionable cloths due to not keeping up with popular trends or sensory issues, have weird facial expressions that can seem creepy, we have the wrong tone of voice or say the wrong things when we talk, & we're less social so we stand out like sore thumbs when we're in a group or around others..


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10 Jun 2013, 10:27 pm

nick007 wrote:
GregCav wrote:
NT's are probably attracted to Aspies in equal proportion to other NT's. The difference is probably perception. You didn't notice the hints or attraction indicators. He/She walked out disapointed that you completely ignored them.

But after contact is made; and it becomes evident that this person is not "normal" in the traditional sence. You can do one of three things; take the easy road and say thanks but no thanks. Keep a close friendship as see if the difficulties can be ironed out. Take on the challange and try to make this work.

I have no data what proportion of the obove list people will do. But I can see that from initial contact, to making an attempt, a lot of possible suiters have been weeded out of the lineup before anything even gets serious.

So, I think it is perception your seeing, not the reality of attraction.
I think there is less inital attraction because some of us have something about us that is off compared to NTs. We may move or seem arkward, we may have hygene issues, wearing ugly or unfashionable cloths due to not keeping up with popular trends or sensory issues, have weird facial expressions that can seem creepy, we have the wrong tone of voice or say the wrong things when we talk, & we're less social so we stand out like sore thumbs when we're in a group or around others..


NT women like me, until I talk and after 20 seconds (sometimes 25 seconds) they realize, Im ''f--k'' up, and decide to never date me.



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10 Jun 2013, 10:35 pm

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nick007 wrote:
GregCav wrote:
NT's are probably attracted to Aspies in equal proportion to other NT's. The difference is probably perception. You didn't notice the hints or attraction indicators. He/She walked out disapointed that you completely ignored them.

But after contact is made; and it becomes evident that this person is not "normal" in the traditional sence. You can do one of three things; take the easy road and say thanks but no thanks. Keep a close friendship as see if the difficulties can be ironed out. Take on the challange and try to make this work.

I have no data what proportion of the obove list people will do. But I can see that from initial contact, to making an attempt, a lot of possible suiters have been weeded out of the lineup before anything even gets serious.

So, I think it is perception your seeing, not the reality of attraction.
I think there is less inital attraction because some of us have something about us that is off compared to NTs. We may move or seem arkward, we may have hygene issues, wearing ugly or unfashionable cloths due to not keeping up with popular trends or sensory issues, have weird facial expressions that can seem creepy, we have the wrong tone of voice or say the wrong things when we talk, & we're less social so we stand out like sore thumbs when we're in a group or around others..


NT women like me, until I talk and after 20 seconds (sometimes 25 seconds) they realize, Im ''f--k'' up, and decide to never date me.


Is me.



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10 Jun 2013, 11:18 pm

1000Knives wrote:
billiscool wrote:
nick007 wrote:
GregCav wrote:
NT's are probably attracted to Aspies in equal proportion to other NT's. The difference is probably perception. You didn't notice the hints or attraction indicators. He/She walked out disapointed that you completely ignored them.

But after contact is made; and it becomes evident that this person is not "normal" in the traditional sence. You can do one of three things; take the easy road and say thanks but no thanks. Keep a close friendship as see if the difficulties can be ironed out. Take on the challange and try to make this work.

I have no data what proportion of the obove list people will do. But I can see that from initial contact, to making an attempt, a lot of possible suiters have been weeded out of the lineup before anything even gets serious.

So, I think it is perception your seeing, not the reality of attraction.
I think there is less inital attraction because some of us have something about us that is off compared to NTs. We may move or seem arkward, we may have hygene issues, wearing ugly or unfashionable cloths due to not keeping up with popular trends or sensory issues, have weird facial expressions that can seem creepy, we have the wrong tone of voice or say the wrong things when we talk, & we're less social so we stand out like sore thumbs when we're in a group or around others..


NT women like me, until I talk and after 20 seconds (sometimes 25 seconds) they realize, Im ''f--k'' up, and decide to never date me.


Is me.


WHAT are you guys saying when you open your mouths???


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10 Jun 2013, 11:43 pm

nick007 wrote:
GregCav wrote:
NT's are probably attracted to Aspies in equal proportion to other NT's. The difference is probably perception. You didn't notice the hints or attraction indicators. He/She walked out disapointed that you completely ignored them.

But after contact is made; and it becomes evident that this person is not "normal" in the traditional sence. You can do one of three things; take the easy road and say thanks but no thanks. Keep a close friendship as see if the difficulties can be ironed out. Take on the challange and try to make this work.

I have no data what proportion of the obove list people will do. But I can see that from initial contact, to making an attempt, a lot of possible suiters have been weeded out of the lineup before anything even gets serious.

So, I think it is perception your seeing, not the reality of attraction.
I think there is less inital attraction because some of us have something about us that is off compared to NTs. We may move or seem arkward, we may have hygene issues, wearing ugly or unfashionable cloths due to not keeping up with popular trends or sensory issues, have weird facial expressions that can seem creepy, we have the wrong tone of voice or say the wrong things when we talk, & we're less social so we stand out like sore thumbs when we're in a group or around others..


ahhhh....the things that attracted me to and that I loved about my Aspie.....different people are attracted to different things. I draw the line at hygiene issues, but that's me, some people might not care. They may have similar hygiene regimens! My Aspie is wears the same clothes, hardly buys anything new, but you know what? His clothes aren't trendy but I like them and they are always clean and he has excellent hygiene. That's all I cared about. He's not social but I didn't care about that either.


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11 Jun 2013, 12:14 am

OK, a good response.

It seems that you guys have at least had the experience of meeting people. But within the first 20 seconds it dies a quick death.

My point was that the initial attraction was there.
Contact was made. And you’re saying that because of your language/speech/whatever it quickly fails.

OK then; that can be worked on. I'm not going to say it can be overcome it, but it can be worked on.

And I do not believe looks or clumsiness makes much difference to attraction (it will to some, but not to most). It's the person behind the face that matters, that is what they are looking for.



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11 Jun 2013, 1:01 am

I've never had a problem attracting NT women, the greater challenge for me is actually convincing them that they need to take my seemingly small difficulties seriously, as they only seem small because I've spent years making them that way and it's still exhausting. Women actually seem to be attracted to the things that make me different, the odd sense of humor, the unusual observations, the fact that I can use proper spelling and punctuation while texting and emailing... If anything, I'm much more likely to miss the signals that someone's interested in me, the attracting itself just seems to happen pretty automatically.


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11 Jun 2013, 3:54 am

NT´s have their needs, just like we have. If their needs are not fulfilled, their lifes are unhappy, so they seek to live their life, according to their needs, just like we do. But both needs simply often dont match.

Its not about understanding, because you can understand much, but that doesnt help your needs. There was a thread around here, where an Aspie questioned if she shall go to events with coworkers, when she is not interested in the event. Most of us agreed with her, that its complete senseless to go to an event, when you are not interested in it. Thats how we feel: We have the need to be interested in the event, because else its a complete boring and wasted evening.

For the NT its otherwise: The event is only a background for meeting the coworkers and it gives them a background topic to chat with each other during the evening. They have the need to socialize, and liking the coworkers they meet and having fun by socializing with them is much more important for them, then the background event. You can compare it with an NT woman, visiting a football match she is absolutly not interested in, but still having fun because of cheering with friends, spending time with her husband and kids and so on.

These differences also often leads to misunderstandings, so often when I was invited to events, I said I was not interested. I didnt know then, that for NT-people that usually meant: "No, I am not interested in meeting and spending time with you." So for NTs you often seem to be rude, even when its only based on misunderstanding.

Its the same with eating dinner together. I hated it, when people asked me every 30 seconds "Do you want more... do you like...how does xyz taste ...." I was annoyed by that, because I wanted to eat, and not always get disturbed by being forced to answer. So the more you are asked, the more annoyed you are. For the NT its the opposite way: He sees you sitting there silently, not involved in the chatting. He wants to be friendly and involve you, so instinctivly he is asking you general questions, to show you that you are appreciated at the table. When you respond now in a negative way, for the NT its as if you would say: "I dont want your friendlyness. I am not interested in socialiszing with you = I am not interested in you and now leave me alone god damn it!"

To match that different needs can be very complicated. So as example my partner needs to be socializing with me, but for me socializing around topics I am not interested in is horror. Doing that for some minutes or even some hours a week to be polite to someone like a coworker is hard but ok. But doing that some hours a day, simply is too much for me, specially when I already was forced to do so at work. So we need topics that I am really interested in, so that I dont have to force myself to socialize. I am also happy, that for my partner doing stuff together is a form of socializing. He loves computer games very much, so playing games together makes him happy to do stuff together with me, and also is ok for me because of doing stuff I like for socializing. Also you are not forced to talk all the time with each other to show, that you think of your partner, but you can simply "technical" work for each other. If I go grinding some stuff I need, and automtical grinding stuff for my friend also, without asking him, he knows that I was thinking about him, even without chitchatting all day.

For NTs it also may be hard to understand, why Aspies dont simply accept habbits as they are. We are around here often joking about NTs, following every trend without any logic sense. The thing is, there is a logic sense, but for many of us its simply not recognizable. If you follow accepted habbits, you get appreciation, not always verbal, but by different behaving, body-, face- and eyelanguage. So following social habbits has a real logic benefit for NTs. The thing is, if you are blind for that stuff, then there is no benefit. If I started to wear highheels, I would get more social appreciation, that I wouldnt be able to recognize if you were bashing it in my brain with my hammer. So I dont get anything. In the opposite, I would be annoyed of more people trying to socialize with me, which annoys me. I am not interested in fashion, so being forced to socialize with people with fashion as topic is as boring for me as a discussion about evolution of matchbox-cars. *puke* But again for an NT, this is an rejection. So he/she shows me his appreciation of me following social habbits, giving me his friendlyness...and I react annoyed of it or even get afraid, when I dont understand the behaviour at all. (My partner had to tell his mum not to freak out, when I dress up for her festivities and proudly show me around to relatives, leading to me being completly shocked and afraid of ever dressing up again, to avoid a similar horrible situation.)

There are simply many situations that can lead to misunderstandings, based on different emotions in the same situation. Just like dogs and cats, when the cat thinks the dog is in bad mood, because of him shaking his tail wildly and the dog thinks the cat was growling, when she is actually purring happy. That doesnt mean that there can be no cats and dogs, living happy together, but both simply have to understand the opposite, to understand the displayed reactions.



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11 Jun 2013, 8:33 am

I think my biggest struggle is getting to know new people in noisy chaotic environments that NTs typically meet. Without adequate peace, quiet, and privacy, I have a hard time getting to know new people. I can't really do banter with random strangers as I rarely know if their humor is compatible with mine. I also have trouble carrying on a conversation when there's interruptions like a waiter coming to take my order. I also can't carry on a conversation at a dinner table when I'm constantly being interrupted and asked to pass this or that dish to someone. The worst is people laughing and talking over each other and me not being able to hear anything people are saying due to chaotic background noise. This is the reason I have the hardest time making new friends. It's not a lack of tact or social skills. It's the lack of suitable environment that shuts me out socially. I can carry on a conversation fine when I'm in a decent relaxed environment. I also don't know if people understand that I'm much more comfortable hanging out at parties or noisy chaotic events when I'm already with people I know. I just cannot use noisy "social events" as a way to meet new people. People are going to mistake me for being much more shy and boring than I really am.



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11 Jun 2013, 4:07 pm

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I've never had a problem attracting NT women, the greater challenge for me is actually convincing them that they need to take my seemingly small difficulties seriously, as they only seem small because I've spent years making them that way and it's still exhausting. Women actually seem to be attracted to the things that make me different...


Me exactly.
I've put a lot of time, money and effort into bettering myself, and understanding the different needs of both sexes. I can attract interest easy enough, it's holding onto them that is the challange.



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11 Jun 2013, 4:15 pm

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Such perfect insight. I've coppied your text and saved it. You've said a whole lot very simply.

I've paid good money for books on the subject that didn't express so well what you have said here. Seriously, this should gain a wider audience.



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11 Jun 2013, 6:30 pm

IlovemyAspie wrote:
1000Knives wrote:

NT women like me, until I talk and after 20 seconds (sometimes 25 seconds) they realize, Im ''f--k'' up, and decide to never date me.


Is me.


WHAT are you guys saying when you open your mouths???[/quote]


thing, that make nt women go ''this is guy is weird, I will never date him''



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11 Jun 2013, 6:34 pm

to Ilovemyaspie: now a more serious answer to your question.
I talk to women like they are cool.



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12 Jun 2013, 12:35 am

GregCav wrote:
I can attract interest easy enough, it's holding onto them that is the challange.


I have the opposite problem, women wanting a more serious relationship than I do. I have externally desirable traits and skills, like cleaning up well and cooking that are really obvious, while my downsides are more well hidden and don't seem that serious at first.


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12 Jun 2013, 2:06 am

I'm a NT and I am extremely attracted to aspies.



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12 Jun 2013, 3:20 am

We get hyper repetetive act immature and childish etc! It turns most NTs off not to meniton we get predictable!


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