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^ Let's not turn this into another "Do women enjoy sex?" debacle, please.

Really? Are you saying that non-rich women won't suffer during an economic downturn? How will the government see to it? I don't get it.

I think this guy needs to get out more.

it said it was a mixure. women have become more picky over time. its a brave new world for all the good and all the bad it brings.

notice the bold and underlined

its not that you have all that stuff that you should, but that you keep the old stuff requiring men to have ____ well reality is how can a man have the job if you have it alread? should you be fired so your man can have a good paying job?

said it a few times if there's 100 jobs, 100 men, 100 women. explain how all can have 100 jobs? before gender equality men were the only ones to have jobs and not all men could work, then add in all the women also competing for jobs. it just can't work like it did.

so you got equality as you should so let go of this 1800s BS about men having to be the provider and have a high paying job s**t. thats all I have trouble with. you can't have it both ways you just can't there isn't' enough jobs and money to go around. so yep that means women might just and I know it might sound crazy but they might just have to provide for themselves and accept such lowly men that don't make great money. but that would be true gender equality and we can't have that.

If it was a brave new world then everyone would getting laid and there would be no unemployment.

I would have more sympathy if so many men still didn't feel the need to be the big manly "provider," and are actively intimidated by women who make more money than they do.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that women are the only ones upholding archaic thinking.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I heard you say somewhere you were asexual. If that's the case, then it's understandable if you don't know this yourself, but there is a bottom of truth to that, it's not just "archaic thinking".

See, women, or at least those interested in forming relationships with men, are hard-wired to "pair up". Meaning they only feel attraction to men who are better than themselves than themselves in all, or at least most respects. Men who are better-looking than them, make more money than them, etc.

I'm not gonna say they like smarter men because in my experience, despite women's vociferous claims that the things they're most attracted to in men are traits like intelligence and a sense of humour, I've never seen that pan out in practice. In fact, studies show that, if anything, such traits are detrimental to men's dating chances. But anyway, I'm going off on a tangent here...

Look, think about it. How many times have you heard about women leaving their husbands or boyfriends because they'd lost their job or because their careers had stagnated? And how many times have you heard about men doing the same thing?

Plus, a lot of men NEED to become "manly providers" because, quite frankly, they don't have anything else going for them. With women, it's different, because there are men out there who find literally almost any type of woman attractive. There are guys who like tall girls, short girls, thin girls, fat girls, hairy girls, etc.

We are not so fortunate, women have a very objective ideal of what they find attractive. All women want the same type of guys: tall, dark, and handsome. And the further you, as a man, are from that ideal, the more you'll have to work to compensate for it.

never met a guy who cared about that. certainly the ones in big paying jobs with big inflated egos do. but way more women then men care about job, status and income. lots of men just want to be able to do something they enjoy, be that construction, cashiering, working at a gun shop, or forest ranger.

also for those men who do like you do, wonder if their woman demanding they do so has any effect huh?

so you're find with gender inequality as long as you get what you deserve men can suffer?

as long as women put out this idea and demand that men be the provider even when the woman can very well provide for herself, why would those men change?

know of women who work make good money, they spend their money on fun stuff and have the man pay for all the bills and important stuff. so the guy provides for them so they waste all their money. yep equality.
sounds more like a princess mindset or god mindset. that women are some how so great that men should worship and pay for all their stuff while they get to enjoy their lives because they'll better than men?

I'm not intimidated by a woman who makes more, but they are embarrassed by men who make less. why. shouldnt' love be all that matters.

I am; however, I've also spent the majority of my adult working life in male-dominated career fields, listening to male views and male opinions.

Believe me, it's not just women who are interested in holding on to bullcrap gender roles. If you want to argue that women should get off their butt, and stop expecting men to treat them like princesses, I'm totally with you, but I also know it's not just women who are perpetuating this nonsense.

In any case, best of luck to both you and Sly in your search for happiness.

I think this idea of man as protector exists on a deeper level than who makes more money or who spends it on what. For example. A few days ago on-again-off-again gf got into an argument in Facebook comments. After I came came to her defence, she was gushing with "You're so manly", etc. It wasn't about the money. Women want to feel safe and that's why many women want a protector. It's not about the money.

When she completes her nursing degree there's a good chance she'll make more money than I do. She could care less (as could I). The reason why she wants me to have a good job isn't because she wants me to make more money than she does, it's because she wants to be in a dual income couple (so do I), regardless of which one of us makes more.

She doesn't want me to pay for all her living expenses while she spends all her income on entertainment. Unlike me she saves almost all of her money. She insists on paying for half of everything. In spite of my protests she insists on paying half on dates or failing that, buying me dinner the next time. She says if she moves she has to pay half the rent (even though her student's pension is much less than my wages, she only gets $1,200 per month). It's actually kind of annoying. She tries to pay for everything but she really can't afford it. And sure I buy her stuff sometimes but it's worth it to see her face light up from even the smallest gift. I'm not saying all girls are like this but my field of experience is limited to her.

I don't know what it was that you saw or heard that made you think that, but I can tell you that's not my experience. Admittedly I don't speak for all men, I can only speak for myself and other low-status males like me, but we ABSOLUTELY f*****g HATE our gender role and the fact that society has saddled us with it and will not accept us unless we play it succesfully.

At this point, most of us have given up altogether. We're not fit for our role, and trying to play it is more trouble than it's worth. Only problem is that's not really a solution. In our society, you as a man can technically renounce your gender role without fear of persecution as was the often the case throughout history, and is still the case in many places today, but you will still be rejected. If you choose to go down that path, society will essentially much disown you (which most of us don't really care about) and you won't be able to find even a low-quality mate (which most of us definitely do care about). Yet I do firmly believe that for myself and many others that is indeed the best choice. It's definitely not an ideal solution, you'll be an outcast, and you'll still be every bit as miserable as you were before, but at least you won't have to pretend otherwise anymore.

Honestly, I'm concidering hirering one too.
Not cause I can't get sex elsewhere, but I don't wanna bother with all the hastle of going trough another relationship. Although I'm buttering up this chick who's in an open relationship. f****d her boyfriend though. Why is it that boys throw themselves at me and girls I have to work for to get in bed?

Because boys actually want to have sex, while girls want you to give them things in exchange for sex.

Well, it is my experience. Granted, my experience is with extroverted, athletic, socially-experienced men, but it's been my experience nevertheless.



Yeah, I can sympathize. As a woman, I'm pretty ugly, and I'm often mistaken for an effeminate, nerdy male in most social situations, so I have an appreciation of how society treats perceived "weakness" in men.

I'll reiterate my original position that strict adherence to archaic gender roles isn't for "thinking" people and needs to die in a fire. Hopefully, you'll be able to find something that makes you happy.

I won't. My fate and that of most other men here was sealed a long time ago, but thank you.