why don't people want to find true love anymore?

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transformingcar
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23 Jul 2013, 7:11 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
1. You don't get to decide what's right for other people.
2. Staying single is not the same as "only knowing how to hate", and equating the 2 is kind of ridiculous.
3. Noone is obligated to want a relationship to ease YOUR loneliness.
4. Not wanting a relationship isn't selfish. I'd say it's pretty selfish to want people to be totally focussed on finding someone just because YOU are lonely, though.



excuse me? NO human being should have to suffer through the unbearable pain if being alone all ones life.
there's NO reason for someone to not want to be in a relationship.

I have suffered through all manner of misfortune, this world has done terrible things to me. I'm at the point where if am forced to continue a life all alone, such as I have for so many painful years, I might as well die. there's no reason for me to live if I can never be worth something to someone. I need someone in my life, someone I can truly care for, someone who will care for me every bit as much as I will care for her.

and again, NO HUMAN BEING SHOULD HAVE TO SUFFER LIKE THIS.



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23 Jul 2013, 9:50 am

True love only happens to people who have already learned how to live alone and not be lonely.

You have to work on yourself so that you have something to give to another person.

Selfishness is a hollow, empty feeling. Common culture says 'hook up' or 'buy this' to feel fulfilled. That is selfish and while it gives a brief 'high', like sugar, soon the sweet taste is gone and all that is left is the hollow, empty, rancid taste of selfishness.


That agony you are feeling is you not living the life you know you are meant to live.

The cure is to stop living for yourself.

Misfortune is a staple of life. How you handle it is how you will define yourself to yourself. If you run in fear from misfortune you will think yourself a coward and a coward you will be. If you handle misfortune like the paper tiger it is, you will build yourself into the lion you want to be.

Stop looking outside yourself for fulfillment. The change you need to make is the hardest of all and yet is the simplest and least expensive at the same time. Change your mind.

Go find a cause. Learn to overcome misfortune by helping others overcome theirs. Go out and be your own man.

If you do this, true love will not only find you, it will knock you upside your head and take control.

Then, of course, is when the ride gets really bumpy and if you think you have seen misfortune, well, I have news for you. Relationships are HARD. If you can't handle being alone, you don't have what it takes to be in a relationship where the ONLY way you (plural) survive is to live for the other person.

Being alone is the proving ground for living a loving life. You MUST defeat lonliness by yourself BEFORE any relationship will be worthwhile.



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23 Jul 2013, 10:29 am

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True love only happens to people who have already learned how to live alone and not be lonely.

You have to work on yourself so that you have something to give to another person.

Selfishness is a hollow, empty feeling. Common culture says 'hook up' or 'buy this' to feel fulfilled. That is selfish and while it gives a brief 'high', like sugar, soon the sweet taste is gone and all that is left is the hollow, empty, rancid taste of selfishness.


That agony you are feeling is you not living the life you know you are meant to live.

The cure is to stop living for yourself.

Misfortune is a staple of life. How you handle it is how you will define yourself to yourself. If you run in fear from misfortune you will think yourself a coward and a coward you will be. If you handle misfortune like the paper tiger it is, you will build yourself into the lion you want to be.

Stop looking outside yourself for fulfillment. The change you need to make is the hardest of all and yet is the simplest and least expensive at the same time. Change your mind.

Go find a cause. Learn to overcome misfortune by helping others overcome theirs. Go out and be your own man.

If you do this, true love will not only find you, it will knock you upside your head and take control.

Then, of course, is when the ride gets really bumpy and if you think you have seen misfortune, well, I have news for you. Relationships are HARD. If you can't handle being alone, you don't have what it takes to be in a relationship where the ONLY way you (plural) survive is to live for the other person.

Being alone is the proving ground for living a loving life. You MUST defeat lonliness by yourself BEFORE any relationship will be worthwhile.



it's not exactly possible to live alone and not be lonely. the only cure for loneliness is to find someone to love. life is not worth living if one is forced to be alone. but, of course. none of you will ever understand my pain. I don't really feel like trying to get you to understand anymore, none of you even try to understand. I'm suffering through a lot of emotional pain. and all your doing is making it worse. being alone and misunderstood all my life does not give me reason to live. it doesn't matter, no one would care if I died tonight in my sleep, so I might as well do that. my own family wouldn't care, after all it was my cousins who bullied me over Facebook. my grandma who keeps accusing me of all manner of hurtful things. my aunt who does the same thing too. none of them understand. no one ever even try's...



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23 Jul 2013, 11:42 am

transformingcar, I don't post often.

I post only when I care. I post only when I believe I can help.

I am a 44 year old meth addict (clean 20 years) and former US Army Airborne Infantry Sniper. I am currently married (second wife) and employed by a fortune 100 company. I was diagnosed at age 40. I am now 44. To this day, my parents do not believe in Autism. They believe that my 'issues' could be beaten out of me with a belt. They still believe this.


Please believe me. I understand how you feel.

I understand the hole in your chest that makes it painful to breathe.

I also understand that snake oil salesmen will try to sell you all kinds of short term feel good solutions that will in the end only cause you more pain.

There is NO magic bullet.

You do not need another person to pity you. It will leave you feeling more empty than you feel now. Only you can help you out at this point. This is why you feel that 'none of you will ever understand my pain'. You are simply misunderstanding the signal your brain is sending because your head is full of anguish.

You need to vent that emotional pain. Being autistic, I know I cannot do so through the normal hugs and socialization that NTs use. I vent by running or hitting a heavy bag. I vent by helping out crack addicts on the street and little old ladies in my neighborhood.

However you vent, you need to do so and soon so you can go about your life. The emotions are likely clouding your judgement. At least, this is how it works for me.

Please vent in a constructive manner. Don't engage in negative or violent fantasy when you do so. I like running. It gives me time to think and wears me out.

Go run and wear yourself out. Please. It will work wonders for your head if you can get your head out of the ditch it is in. I promise you.

Do this and we can talk about how to live alone and not be lonely. We can look at how to be loveable so you can find someone to love who will also love you.



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23 Jul 2013, 1:27 pm

CranialRectosis wrote:
You MUST defeat lonliness by yourself BEFORE any relationship will be worthwhile.


But loneliness is a human feeling and you could view that as your brain/biology telling you something. You can't defeat that feeling or make it go away because you might not feel a single lonely feeling for a year or two then one day you do when you realise something is missing. And it can be a motivator to changing things too.



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23 Jul 2013, 3:05 pm

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CranialRectosis wrote:
You MUST defeat lonliness by yourself BEFORE any relationship will be worthwhile.


But loneliness is a human feeling and you could view that as your brain/biology telling you something. You can't defeat that feeling or make it go away because you might not feel a single lonely feeling for a year or two then one day you do when you realise something is missing. And it can be a motivator to changing things too.



Finally some one makes sense for once. I feel a very similar way to this. I'm lonely and something is missing, this much I know.
anyway, if at all possible, I really would like to move on from this topic. I have another problem, related to the loneliness, but far more bothersome.
I'll see if I can ask anyone for help with this other manner, just not on this particular post. I'll probably make a new post for that. thanks.



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23 Jul 2013, 9:04 pm

The point of feelings is to effect change.

HOW you change is completely up to you.

The mechanics of how you change is in your own head.

If what you are doing now leaves you feeling empty and alone, change is necessary.

Being autistic myself, I often misunderstand when people are looking for comfort for people looking for help making a plan to get out of a hole. If I have done so here and you are looking for short term, comfort, I apologize. I suk at comfort.

If you are lost in the pit of despair and looking for a way out of the hole, I recognize that hole.

Treat the cause, not the symptom.

To be happy, one must first be grateful. There is no other secret to happiness. Anything else is snake oil.

To get out of the hole:
1. Choose a direction. I recommend, up. Choose the positive side of life. There are benefits.
2. Climb.

You can climb up by helping serve food at the local homeless shelter. If you have never been, it will change you. Unless you are from extreme poverty yourself, feeding the homeless will teach you gratitude like never before. You will meet very different people and hear stories you can't imagine. If you are honest and careful, you will gain entrance into a loosely knit, fluid, family.

You will have to learn some courage to do this.

Courage is the start. Helping others is the fuel. Gratitude, joy, courage, friends (not every one at the shelter is homeless) are the potential result. YMMV

You learn who you are by surviving the darkest days of your life. You have a choice to make. Right now in the pit, it feels harder to climb up. It feels comforting to let go and fall further. In the long run, climbing leads to a better life.

Please, find your courage for 20 minutes and make a positive, free difference in someone else's life.

I promise you. If you do, the big things today will seem smaller tomorrow. The more you accomplish the more courage you will gain and the more courage you gain, the more you will accomplish. The more you accomplish the better you will feel about yourself and the world in general. It can grow like fire if you light it.

THAT fire is how to cure loneliness.



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23 Jul 2013, 9:44 pm

^^^
you are NOT living up to your name. :wtg:



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24 Jul 2013, 1:50 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
4. Not wanting a relationship isn't selfish. I'd say it's pretty selfish to want people to be totally focussed on finding someone just because YOU are lonely, though.

Desiring a relationship is a selfish act as much as not wanting a relationship.


As for true love, love is a social construct that may have some utility, so it has meaning for some and for others is meaningless. For me, is pretty much the latter, true love is an oxymoron.



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24 Jul 2013, 1:54 am

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Who_Am_I wrote:
4. Not wanting a relationship isn't selfish. I'd say it's pretty selfish to want people to be totally focussed on finding someone just because YOU are lonely, though.

Desiring a relationship is a selfish act as much as not wanting a relationship.


As for true love, love is a social construct that may have some utility, so it has meaning for some and for others is meaningless. For me, is pretty much the latter, true love is an oxymoron.



oxymoron? You can't be serious. besides that, I was hoping to be done with this topic.



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24 Jul 2013, 2:35 am

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Desiring a relationship is a selfish act as much as not wanting a relationship.


What logic do you derive that from? :?


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24 Jul 2013, 3:44 am

transformingcar wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
1. You don't get to decide what's right for other people.
2. Staying single is not the same as "only knowing how to hate", and equating the 2 is kind of ridiculous.
3. Noone is obligated to want a relationship to ease YOUR loneliness.
4. Not wanting a relationship isn't selfish. I'd say it's pretty selfish to want people to be totally focussed on finding someone just because YOU are lonely, though.



excuse me? NO human being should have to suffer through the unbearable pain if being alone all ones life.
there's NO reason for someone to not want to be in a relationship.

I have suffered through all manner of misfortune, this world has done terrible things to me. I'm at the point where if am forced to continue a life all alone, such as I have for so many painful years, I might as well die. there's no reason for me to live if I can never be worth something to someone. I need someone in my life, someone I can truly care for, someone who will care for me every bit as much as I will care for her.

and again, NO HUMAN BEING SHOULD HAVE TO SUFFER LIKE THIS.


It sucks that you're suffering, but again, people are not obligated to end your suffering by changing their minds about whether or not they want a relationship.
There are plenty of reasons for people not to want to be in relationships. There may be no reason for YOU not to want to be in a relationship, but you shouldn't project your own personality onto everyone else. You can't force people into a mould of yourself.


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24 Jul 2013, 8:23 am

@topicstarter

Because more and more people are into that weird "true love" stuff, so its hard to find people that dont want to find their personal fairytale-prince/princess-slave, and simply want to find someone to normally love, without all that nonsense expectations of "true love"? Its those "true lovers" that are not marrying, because of them not finding their fairytale-"truelove"-partners. And its that "true love" people divorcing, after they realize that their oh so "true love"-fairytalepartner, wasnt the perfect "true love" partner at all, but only an "ordinary-non-fairytale-partner", that you only can love "ordinary", so they have to be divorced, to be free againf for finding the "true love" out there... ^^



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24 Jul 2013, 8:52 am

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Because more and more people are into that weird "true love" stuff, so its hard to find people that dont want to find their personal fairytale-prince/princess-slave, and simply want to find someone to normally love,


You make an interesting point because some people do have too high expectations that nobody can ever meet and are looking for that "perfect" partner - which kind of makes no sense when nobody can claim to be perfect without having the imperfection of a huge ego.