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08 Oct 2013, 12:52 pm

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These women want to be able to wear high heels and still feel small compared to their man.


I think you're greatly missing the point and misunderstanding the female psyche.

I doubt very much that any woman wants "to feel small compared to her man." The kind of woman you're after may want to feel that her man is tall compared to her - which is an entirely different matter indeed.

No woman gazing up at a tall man is thinking "wow, I'm so small." Instead, she (the high-heeled bimbo of your dreams) will doubtless be thinking admiringly: "wow, he's so tall."

Get it?


Actually, I've done a lot of research on this subject.

It makes women feel more feminine when they are smaller than their man. So while you might be right in some cases, a lot of the time women prefer taller men is because of the perception she will get when she is seen with a tall guy vs a short guy.. That all factors into a woman's psyche. In other words it's embarrassing to be seen with a shorter guy because it makes her look big.



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08 Oct 2013, 12:54 pm

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I'm actually intrigued by the way you seem to want to dictate each and every discussion.

I find this most fascinating.

Does it take much practice to be like you, or does it just come naturally?


Tell me, how am I dictating?

I think your just upset and don't like me so your looking for something negative to say about me. I'm not trying to dictate anything. I just want people to back up their "opinions" with logic and facts.



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08 Oct 2013, 12:57 pm

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Geekonychus wrote:
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Shall we review the thread and see who started the arguments?

Can't you ever just drop it, Shortie?


So since you can't beat me in a logical discussion you are going to try and put me down about my height? Very mature.

I didn't post in it but I still reviewed the thread out of morbid curiosity.

Apprently being a white male that's a few inches short is equivelent to being oppressed minority female, in your eyes. That perfectly illustates the depth of your persecution complex.

The real funny thing was how Cafelatie and others got too exasperated to deal with you any longer. By internet message board standards, that means you won........... and yet you still couldn't let it go. Even after you had successfully made yourself indignant enough that nobody wanted to deal with you, you still pressed the issue and even made several baseless and paranoid accusations at other members.


You've tryed to post in other threads involving what defines attraction to women trying to disspell my points and you've never been able to hold up your end of the discussion there either. I'm not asking too much. I'm asking all these people to explain how their points are valid and most of the time they fail to do that.

I never said that I had the same issues as the OP in the other thread (there you go putting words in my mouth) all I said was that I can relate on a certain level to being discriminated against by the opposite sex because of my height.

And no, when someone calls me something as big and disrespectful as a racist I'm not going to let it go. Maybe nobody wanted to deal with me because they saw that the points that I was making were right and they couldn't prove otherwise.. Try that for food for thought. I made 1 accusation that a new member might be one of the posters that frequently posts here against me. Was I wrong? I don't know, but her words sounded extremely similar to some of the other peoples words that I always disagree with, and the oppurtunity was there to try and out number me on that thread so don't blame me for being suspicious.

You seem to have this ridiculous delusion that internet debates actually have winners. Or that one person's point of view (i.e. yours) is the only one that can be valid. Just because you're inignant enough and persistant enough to hammer down your selectively chosen points while ignoring anything that refutes it for longer than the average person, doesn't make them any more valid. "Winning" debates by being the only one stubborn enough to keep arguing is at best a Pyrrhic victory.

Here is lesson 101 in self awareness:
"It doesn't matter what you meant, it only matters what others think you meant."

If someone is offended by something you say (particluarly when it comes to sensitive subjects like race) you won't defuse the situation by stubbornly hammering your point further. I know you didn't mean to come across like that but the things you said can easily be interpretted as racist and another user took offense.

Here is what I believe to be the most astute observation in the thread I suggest you actually read it this time and take it to heart:

OctoberTiger wrote:
It's the way you take those facts (which, as you probably realise, can often be debated) - and you make a too personal point on them.

I completely agree with the 'played men' you are talking about. They're rife. And it's pathetic, seeing them crawl on their bellies, saying 'please, please, love me, treat me how you will, but please...'. They give all power away.

But they're not the only ones who are played. You've an opportunity to learn other ways of looking at things - especially a more female point of view - and you're missing it, clinging onto male-centric philosophies. That's your choice, but you do wind people up, and sometimes I wonder if it's you practicing Alpha Male debating skills. I dunno.

I mean this with respect. You're a frustrating bugger, by accident or design, I don't know. "


Most people dont like talking to a wall...........Why should enybody try dealing with you when nothing gets through.



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08 Oct 2013, 1:01 pm

lost561 wrote:
Actually, I've done a lot of research on this subject.

It makes women feel more feminine when they are smaller than their man. So while you might be right in some cases, a lot of the time women prefer taller men is because of the perception she will get when she is seen with a tall guy vs a short guy.. That all factors into a woman's psyche. In other words it's embarrassing to be seen with a shorter guy because it makes her look big.


As a woman who knows the feeling you describe, I would express it the other way round. Rather than saying "women feel more feminine when they are shorter than their man" I would say "women feel more feminine when their man is taller than them."

It's the same issue with strength. I like a guy who is stronger than me and can beat me in an arm wrestle or a play fight. This is not because it proves I'm weak, but because it proves he's strong. The fact that I am a relatively strong woman just makes it all the more impressive when a guy beats me. If he wrestles me down, I'm not lying there thinking: "wow, I must be really weak." Rather, I'm thinking admiringly: "well, I know I'm quite strong, so he must be REALLY strong!"



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08 Oct 2013, 1:05 pm

Geekonychus wrote:
lost561 wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
lost561 wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
lost561 wrote:
Shall we review the thread and see who started the arguments?

Can't you ever just drop it, Shortie?


So since you can't beat me in a logical discussion you are going to try and put me down about my height? Very mature.

I didn't post in it but I still reviewed the thread out of morbid curiosity.

Apprently being a white male that's a few inches short is equivelent to being oppressed minority female, in your eyes. That perfectly illustates the depth of your persecution complex.

The real funny thing was how Cafelatie and others got too exasperated to deal with you any longer. By internet message board standards, that means you won........... and yet you still couldn't let it go. Even after you had successfully made yourself indignant enough that nobody wanted to deal with you, you still pressed the issue and even made several baseless and paranoid accusations at other members.


You've tryed to post in other threads involving what defines attraction to women trying to disspell my points and you've never been able to hold up your end of the discussion there either. I'm not asking too much. I'm asking all these people to explain how their points are valid and most of the time they fail to do that.

I never said that I had the same issues as the OP in the other thread (there you go putting words in my mouth) all I said was that I can relate on a certain level to being discriminated against by the opposite sex because of my height.

And no, when someone calls me something as big and disrespectful as a racist I'm not going to let it go. Maybe nobody wanted to deal with me because they saw that the points that I was making were right and they couldn't prove otherwise.. Try that for food for thought. I made 1 accusation that a new member might be one of the posters that frequently posts here against me. Was I wrong? I don't know, but her words sounded extremely similar to some of the other peoples words that I always disagree with, and the oppurtunity was there to try and out number me on that thread so don't blame me for being suspicious.

You seem to have this ridiculous delusion that internet debates actually have winners. Or that one person's point of view (i.e. yours) is the only one that can be valid. Just because you're inignant enough and persistant enough to hammer down your selectively chosen points while ignoring anything that refutes it for longer than the average person, doesn't make them any more valid. "Winning" debates by being the only one stubborn enough to keep arguing is at best a Pyrrhic victory.

Here is lesson 101 in self awareness:
"It doesn't matter what you meant, it only matters what others think you meant."

If someone is offended by something you say (particluarly when it comes to sensitive subjects like race) you won't defuse the situation by stubbornly hammering your point further. I know you didn't mean to come across like that but the things you said can easily be interpretted as racist and another user took offense. Boo aknowledged that it could be interpretted that way and apologized. You didn't and intead dug yourself further into the hole. You flat out refused to see anybody elses side of the argument or aknowledge that somebody else might have a legitimate grievence.

Here is what I believe to be the most astute observation in the thread I suggest you actually read it this time and take it to heart:

OctoberTiger wrote:
It's the way you take those facts (which, as you probably realise, can often be debated) - and you make a too personal point on them.

I completely agree with the 'played men' you are talking about. They're rife. And it's pathetic, seeing them crawl on their bellies, saying 'please, please, love me, treat me how you will, but please...'. They give all power away.

But they're not the only ones who are played. You've an opportunity to learn other ways of looking at things - especially a more female point of view - and you're missing it, clinging onto male-centric philosophies. That's your choice, but you do wind people up, and sometimes I wonder if it's you practicing Alpha Male debating skills. I dunno.

I mean this with respect. You're a frustrating bugger, by accident or design, I don't know. "


Most people dont like talking to a wall...........



Your right, I don't like talking to a wall.

When I say something in a debate you never hear me saying opinions. I'm always using logical data that I can back up. Nobody wants to hear me back up that data though, instead they want to label me a racist, a creep, troll, etc. because they can't keep their end up of the discussion.

Opinions= worthless=0 points in a debate



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08 Oct 2013, 1:12 pm

LogicalMolly wrote:
lost561 wrote:
Actually, I've done a lot of research on this subject.

It makes women feel more feminine when they are smaller than their man. So while you might be right in some cases, a lot of the time women prefer taller men is because of the perception she will get when she is seen with a tall guy vs a short guy.. That all factors into a woman's psyche. In other words it's embarrassing to be seen with a shorter guy because it makes her look big.


As a woman who knows the feeling you describe, I would express it the other way round. Rather than saying "women feel more feminine when they are shorter than their man" I would say "women feel more feminine when their man is taller than them."

It's the same issue with strength. I like a guy who is stronger than me and can beat me in an arm wrestle or a play fight. This is not because it proves I'm weak, but because it proves he's strong. The fact that I am a relatively strong woman just makes it all the more impressive when a guy beats me. If he wrestles me down, I'm not lying there thinking: "wow, I must be really weak." Rather, I'm thinking admiringly: "well, I know I'm quite strong, so he must be REALLY strong!"


In essence, what you said= what I said.

As long as the man is a certain amount taller than everything's ok.



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08 Oct 2013, 1:15 pm

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I'm actually intrigued by the way you seem to want to dictate each and every discussion.

I find this most fascinating.

Does it take much practice to be like you, or does it just come naturally?


CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET A BONG?



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08 Oct 2013, 1:15 pm

lost561 wrote:
Your right, I don't like talking to a wall.

When I say something in a debate you never hear me saying opinions. I'm always using logical data that I can back up. Nobody wants to hear me back up that data though, instead they want to label me a racist, a creep, troll, etc. because they can't keep their end up of the discussion.

Opinions= worthless=0 points in a debate


Boo (who made similiar arguments) aknowledged that it could be interpretted that way and apologized. You could have been like Boo and acted civil about it and said. "I'm sorry if what I said offended you, I didn't mean for it to come across like that" and just dropped it. Instead you are so obsessed with being "right" (as if there actually is a right or wrong viewpoint on anything) that you couldn't swallow your pride for one freaking second.

I'm reposting the OctoberTiger thread again because I'm still skeptical as to whether you actually read it or not:
OctoberTiger wrote:
It's the way you take those facts (which, as you probably realise, can often be debated) - and you make a too personal point on them.

I completely agree with the 'played men' you are talking about. They're rife. And it's pathetic, seeing them crawl on their bellies, saying 'please, please, love me, treat me how you will, but please...'. They give all power away.

But they're not the only ones who are played. You've an opportunity to learn other ways of looking at things - especially a more female point of view - and you're missing it, clinging onto male-centric philosophies. That's your choice, but you do wind people up, and sometimes I wonder if it's you practicing Alpha Male debating skills. I dunno.

I mean this with respect. You're a frustrating bugger, by accident or design, I don't know. "



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08 Oct 2013, 1:16 pm

well I can always date woman a couple inches taller. 1 or 2 inches isn't that big of a deal.

i'm 5 ft 2 and I would be okay with dating a woman who is 5 ft 4. If I only limit myself to shorter women, there would be less girls to choose from.



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08 Oct 2013, 1:17 pm

lost561 wrote:
LogicalMolly wrote:
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These women want to be able to wear high heels and still feel small compared to their man.


I think you're greatly missing the point and misunderstanding the female psyche.

I doubt very much that any woman wants "to feel small compared to her man." The kind of woman you're after may want to feel that her man is tall compared to her - which is an entirely different matter indeed.

No woman gazing up at a tall man is thinking "wow, I'm so small." Instead, she (the high-heeled bimbo of your dreams) will doubtless be thinking admiringly: "wow, he's so tall."

Get it?


Actually, I've done a lot of research on this subject.

It makes women feel more feminine when they are smaller than their man. So while you might be right in some cases, a lot of the time women prefer taller men is because of the perception she will get when she is seen with a tall guy vs a short guy.. That all factors into a woman's psyche. In other words it's embarrassing to be seen with a shorter guy because it makes her look big.


That's a shame...I'm 5'7" and tall women can be so sexy, especially with boots and a mini skirt.
Maybe in another lifetime....but not this one.



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08 Oct 2013, 1:20 pm

I find it interesting how people get worked up about L&D more than PPR, or so it seems to me. I can't recall ever having seen this phenomenon anywhere else. I hope that everyone here spends at least as much time each week testing their theories in the world as they spend defending them here.

Maybe everyone could agree to have their off-topic arguments in other threads? We could start special threads for each ongoing dispute, and as soon as someone tries to start in on one of those debates in another thread, one of the reasonable people could suggest that they go and grind their axe in the relevant thread. This would probably never work, though, because it all boils down to attention-seeking. It doesn't count as mooning if no one sees your butt.



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08 Oct 2013, 1:22 pm

Geekonychus wrote:
lost561 wrote:
Your right, I don't like talking to a wall.

When I say something in a debate you never hear me saying opinions. I'm always using logical data that I can back up. Nobody wants to hear me back up that data though, instead they want to label me a racist, a creep, troll, etc. because they can't keep their end up of the discussion.

Opinions= worthless=0 points in a debate


Boo (who made similiar arguments) aknowledged that it could be interpretted that way and apologized. You could have been like Boo and acted civil about it and said. "I'm sorry if what I said offended you, I didn't mean for it to come across like that" and just dropped it. Instead you are so obsessed with being "right" (as if there actually is a right or wrong viewpoint on anything) that you couldn't swallow your pride for one freaking second.

I'm reposting the OctoberTiger thread again because I'm still skeptical as to whether you actually read it or not:
OctoberTiger wrote:
It's the way you take those facts (which, as you probably realise, can often be debated) - and you make a too personal point on them.

I completely agree with the 'played men' you are talking about. They're rife. And it's pathetic, seeing them crawl on their bellies, saying 'please, please, love me, treat me how you will, but please...'. They give all power away.

But they're not the only ones who are played. You've an opportunity to learn other ways of looking at things - especially a more female point of view - and you're missing it, clinging onto male-centric philosophies. That's your choice, but you do wind people up, and sometimes I wonder if it's you practicing Alpha Male debating skills. I dunno.

I mean this with respect. You're a frustrating bugger, by accident or design, I don't know. "






That's like if cafeluit posted that society finds men under 6 feet less appealing/alpha/dominant.

( there have been multiple studies that report these findings)

And I say that's BS, I expected better of you, your racist towards shorter men


That's essentially what cafeluit did in the other thread. Tell me that's not helpless. Why do I need to apologize for what society finds attractive?



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08 Oct 2013, 1:24 pm

if you're a short man, you should only start worrying more if you're 5 ft 4 or under.

The reason why I say this is simple. Most women don't necessarily want a man who is at least 6 ft tall but almost all women request that a man is the same height as them or taller. If you're 5 ft 8 or 5 ft 7 or even 5 ft 6, you're still taller than most women. Even if some women rejects you for being only 5 ft 7, many average height women will still date you because you're at least taller.


If you're 5 ft 4 or under then you're even at a greater disadvantage. You're shorter than greater than 50% of women. Since most women request that a man must be taller than her, either you will have to date shorter girls (who often are the most picky in terms of height) or you will have to find a woman that is willing to date a shorter man.



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08 Oct 2013, 1:25 pm

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lost561 wrote:
LogicalMolly wrote:
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These women want to be able to wear high heels and still feel small compared to their man.


I think you're greatly missing the point and misunderstanding the female psyche.

I doubt very much that any woman wants "to feel small compared to her man." The kind of woman you're after may want to feel that her man is tall compared to her - which is an entirely different matter indeed.

No woman gazing up at a tall man is thinking "wow, I'm so small." Instead, she (the high-heeled bimbo of your dreams) will doubtless be thinking admiringly: "wow, he's so tall."

Get it?


Actually, I've done a lot of research on this subject.

It makes women feel more feminine when they are smaller than their man. So while you might be right in some cases, a lot of the time women prefer taller men is because of the perception she will get when she is seen with a tall guy vs a short guy.. That all factors into a woman's psyche. In other words it's embarrassing to be seen with a shorter guy because it makes her look big.


That's a shame...I'm 5'7" and tall women can be so sexy, especially with boots and a mini skirt.
Maybe in another lifetime....but not this one.


There are options, it's just opportunities for us guys under 6 feet are fewer.



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08 Oct 2013, 1:26 pm

Here we go again.... :roll:
See you all in the thread called "What the heck people?? Part 2"



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08 Oct 2013, 1:27 pm

But remember one thing when it comes to height. Not all women are going to reject you no matter how short you are. And if a women rejects you because you're only 5 ft tall, then thats her problem not yours. I woudn't want to date women like that anyways. And yes being short sometimes sucks but you might as well get used to it.