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21 Oct 2013, 1:49 pm

To be honest I know some couples in my country where this stuff really isn't needed for.

IE the girl partners know how to knock down an army of (slight to heavily) drunk adult men and these girls don't look masculine or big in any way, they just know how to pack brute force (hidden muscles).



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21 Oct 2013, 3:23 pm

^ this. If you punched me I would cry only because if I punched you back you would die and I would end up in prison.



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21 Oct 2013, 4:44 pm

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^ in fact, these days women are more confrontational in public than men because they can do so with less risk of being smacked in the face by the bully they're confronting.


They expect their man to do the fighting if it comes to that though :p



Basically... yes.

Or they expect any male friends/buddies around to intervene if it comes to that.

or even male strangers for that.

Those are vainies who I wont fight for lol.

(in fact I'd even make sure they receive punches themselves from the aggressors at that place if I can manage)

You can't expect random men you don't know personally in any way to go through hellfire and clean up your sh** just because you are female and therefore the center of the world (in your head at least).


Nothing wrong in defending someone being assaulted - that wasn't my point at all. My point is that guys only go for the rescue for the girl being bullied/assaulted, the more attractive the more they show up, If the victim is a guy they just don't.

Molly, probably the reason why guys didn't intervene in your case because you had a date with you, it was "your guy" so it was him supposed to intervene - another hidden NT rule.



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21 Oct 2013, 4:49 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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^ in fact, these days women are more confrontational in public than men because they can do so with less risk of being smacked in the face by the bully they're confronting.


They expect their man to do the fighting if it comes to that though :p



Basically... yes.

Or they expect any male friends/buddies around to intervene if it comes to that.

or even male strangers for that.

Those are vainies who I wont fight for lol.

(in fact I'd even make sure they receive punches themselves from the aggressors at that place if I can manage)

You can't expect random men you don't know personally in any way to go through hellfire and clean up your sh** just because you are female and therefore the center of the world (in your head at least).


Nothing wrong in defending someone being assaulted - that wasn't my point at all.

No okay, but they shouldn't blindly expect it because you're a man and then fault you when you didn't do it.

It's like yeah, you should do it, but you're not FORCED to as it's their life and their business.



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21 Oct 2013, 4:52 pm

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21 Oct 2013, 4:53 pm

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When you're in a relationship with a man do you like to feel protected? For example if a guy bumps into you at the club do you want your man to get into his face and start a confrontation? Another example is if you're eating at a restraunt. If there is something wrong with your food do you prefer that the man tell the waiter or waitress that something is messed up with the food? Basically do you prefer the man to do the confrontational chores and work?
Much like other posts, this assumes that multiple traits are one and the same, which is false.
A club is a busy place and people will bump into each other. Protection happens when someone is at risk and when you create a scene without assessing the situation properly it goes from being self defense to abuse and harassment.

Protection, chivalry, provocation, abuse in the name of self defense and the former things I mentioned are not synonymous.
I obviously can't speak for women and the times I've tried to speak for one it has only gotten on their nerves.

Believe it or not, they are able to make decisions and to a degree defend themselves. Of course they would like a man that will look after them, protect them but you have to realize your current view of what that protection is is completely different from what they see it as. The examples you gave are the kind of thing a possessive, jealous man would do in an attempt to exert himself as the alpha male. In the case of the club people would actually side with the other guy.



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22 Oct 2013, 1:18 pm

Pulled from another thread but the subject matter fits this one better:

lost561 wrote:
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I don't see how you could think he came across as a jerk. That girl just started cursing at him for no reason multiple times and he responded calmly and respectfully and gave her some advice that hopefully will help her.


That's how geeko is. He takes the woman's side every time in posts like these on your site no matter who is wrong, Alex.


Can't help but notice that for someone who claims to only want a "quality feminine NT women", you sure do like riding d***s...........

Pot calling the kettle black much?

Geeko, please explain.

This has already been explained to you sooooooo many times. It's starting to feel like a broken record but here we go again:

Disagreeing with your conduct (which I and many others find to be ableist, sexist and homophobic) is not the same as disagreeing with all men. That fact that you can't comprehend otherwise shows just how deeply ingrained your "gender war" politics are.

Unlike you, I don't believe in "traditional" gender roles where men need to be dominant and women submissive and frankly find Alpha male BS to be beyond my comprehension. Does that mean I hate men? No. There are plenty of open minded men on this board (this forum is about 90% male in case you haven't noticed) who I agree with on things (just not you and your reactionary ilk.)

In the interest of equal opportunity.......... I find the "quality feminine NT women" that you are attracted to and encourage other Aspie men to persue, to be just as shallow and repulsive as you are.
Any woman who expects some wannabe-alpha male like yourself to "take charge" thump his chest like a gorilla upon any percieved slight would be dumped in a hot minute by me. That's ok because 99% of "quality feminine NT women" as you describe them wouldn't be compatible with Aspie personality traits anyway. This is why I encourage men on this forum to go after women who might actually like them for them and not waste thier time on shallow women whom you have to decieve and manipulate in order for them to like you (as you are advocating.) If that's all they can find, they're better off alone.



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22 Oct 2013, 1:32 pm

Geekonychus wrote:
Pulled from another thread but the subject matter fits this one better:

lost561 wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
lost561 wrote:
alex wrote:

I don't see how you could think he came across as a jerk. That girl just started cursing at him for no reason multiple times and he responded calmly and respectfully and gave her some advice that hopefully will help her.


That's how geeko is. He takes the woman's side every time in posts like these on your site no matter who is wrong, Alex.


Can't help but notice that for someone who claims to only want a "quality feminine NT women", you sure do like riding d***s...........

Pot calling the kettle black much?

Geeko, please explain.

This has already been explained to you sooooooo many times. It's starting to feel like a broken record but here we go again:

Disagreeing with your conduct (which I and many others find to be ableist, sexist and homophobic) is not the same as disagreeing with all men. That fact that you can't comprehend otherwise shows just how deeply ingrained your "gender war" politics are.

Unlike you, I don't believe in "traditional" gender roles where men need to be dominant and women submissive and frankly find Alpha male BS to be beyond my comprehension. Does that mean I hate men? No. There are plenty of open minded men on this board (this forum is about 90% male in case you haven't noticed) who I agree with on things (just not you and your reactionary ilk.)

In the interest of equal opportunity.......... I find the "quality feminine NT women" that you are attracted to and encourage other Aspie men to persue, to be just as shallow and repulsive as you are.
Any woman who expects some wannabe-alpha male like yourself to "take charge" thump his chest like a gorilla upon any percieved slight would be dumped in a hot minute by me. That's ok because 99% of "quality feminine NT women" as you describe them wouldn't be compatible with Aspie personality traits anyway. This is why I encourage men on this forum to go after women who might actually like them for them and not waste thier time on shallow women whom you have to decieve and manipulate in order for them to like you (as you are advocating.) If that's all they can find, they're better off alone.


It's not about radically changing who you are but yes I'd say at least half the men here want the type of woman I describe. Not only that but their chances of finding an NT are much greater than them finding an Aspie. Feminine women aren't all shallow, as cafeluit would say that's very racist of you to say. It's more about finding your strengths and exploiting them and also learning human psychology. If you want the hot woman than my advice works better. If you are fine settling for the more weird type women than don't listen to me. And I also never advocate manipulating anybody, just women that I like want to usually not have the pressure of making the decisions in the relationship. It seems as though women on the spectrum do enjoy that.



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22 Oct 2013, 1:47 pm

Half the men on an aspie board want the women you describe...I'm not sure about that. For the effort they would put in to getting themselves to be attractive to said 'normal' woman, against what they could get out of such a relationship (and how long it would last), some are really going to be up against it, and very frustrated when they find it very difficult to reinvent themselves. Maybe you didn't have to radically change who you are but not everybody is in the same boat, and not everybody is prepared to change the way they see themselves and the world...

'Half the men here' (not that I can quantify this exactly) want any woman, it's as simple as that! And, at times, it's easy to appreciate their desperation.

Some 'hot' women are very, very weird, I can assure you.

And, I disagree slightly about being able to make the decisions in a relationship, and being able to complain about poor service without resorting to temper tantrums, etc. Most women (in my opinion) would prefer a man who was capable of such a thing, but wouldn't necessarily insist on doing it all the time - it's a case of knowing when to, and knowing when to support.

Just because one can take charge of a situation, doesn't mean that it's best to take charge of every situation - a distinction that isn't taught.



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22 Oct 2013, 2:00 pm

lost561 wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
Pulled from another thread but the subject matter fits this one better:

lost561 wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
lost561 wrote:
alex wrote:

I don't see how you could think he came across as a jerk. That girl just started cursing at him for no reason multiple times and he responded calmly and respectfully and gave her some advice that hopefully will help her.


That's how geeko is. He takes the woman's side every time in posts like these on your site no matter who is wrong, Alex.


Can't help but notice that for someone who claims to only want a "quality feminine NT women", you sure do like riding d***s...........

Pot calling the kettle black much?

Geeko, please explain.

This has already been explained to you sooooooo many times. It's starting to feel like a broken record but here we go again:

Disagreeing with your conduct (which I and many others find to be ableist, sexist and homophobic) is not the same as disagreeing with all men. That fact that you can't comprehend otherwise shows just how deeply ingrained your "gender war" politics are.

Unlike you, I don't believe in "traditional" gender roles where men need to be dominant and women submissive and frankly find Alpha male BS to be beyond my comprehension. Does that mean I hate men? No. There are plenty of open minded men on this board (this forum is about 90% male in case you haven't noticed) who I agree with on things (just not you and your reactionary ilk.)

In the interest of equal opportunity.......... I find the "quality feminine NT women" that you are attracted to and encourage other Aspie men to persue, to be just as shallow and repulsive as you are.
Any woman who expects some wannabe-alpha male like yourself to "take charge" thump his chest like a gorilla upon any percieved slight would be dumped in a hot minute by me. That's ok because 99% of "quality feminine NT women" as you describe them wouldn't be compatible with Aspie personality traits anyway. This is why I encourage men on this forum to go after women who might actually like them for them and not waste thier time on shallow women whom you have to decieve and manipulate in order for them to like you (as you are advocating.) If that's all they can find, they're better off alone.


It's not about radically changing who you are but yes I'd say at least half the men here want the type of woman I describe. Not only that but their chances of finding an NT are much greater than them finding an Aspie. Feminine women aren't all shallow, as cafeluit would say that's very racist of you to say. It's more about finding your strengths and exploiting them and also learning human psychology. If you want the hot woman than my advice works better. If you are fine settling for the more weird type women than don't listen to me. And I also never advocate manipulating anybody, just women that I like want to usually not have the pressure of making the decisions in the relationship. It seems as though women on the spectrum do enjoy that.

Where's your evidence for that? I'm pretty sure most men on here aren't looking to be players or for arm candy, they want to find a healthy fulfilling relationship. You also don't need to be an Aspie to be compatible with Aspies. There are plenty of examples on this very forum of NTs falling for Aspies (awkwardness and all.)

Do we want to make this into a poll? We each describe the ideal type of women who guys on this forum should be persuing. That way you'd have data to back up or refute your assertion.

PM me your description and I'll repost it verbatum (along with mine) tommorow.



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22 Oct 2013, 2:05 pm

Tentative poll title:

"Hot vs Weird"

Yes?



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22 Oct 2013, 2:06 pm

There is no 1 "ideal" woman. That's impossible. But there are different groups of women. I was actually thinking about making a Polly myself about 30 minutes ago with 7 or 8 pictures to see which women the men here would choose. And making the men give their explanation why they like the person they chose.



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22 Oct 2013, 2:07 pm

FFS another stupid pissing contest, thought you were better than that man.



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22 Oct 2013, 2:12 pm

You're right Octobertiger^^^^ Not worth it. Sorry........

lost561 wrote:
There is no 1 "ideal" woman. That's impossible. But there are different groups of women. I was actually thinking about making a Polly myself about 30 minutes ago with 7 or 8 pictures to see which women the men here would choose. And making the men give their explanation why they like the person they chose.

Nevermind then. If pictures are the only thing you think determines the quality of a women, there's no way this gap can be narrowed...........



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22 Oct 2013, 2:17 pm

Geekonychus wrote:
You're right Octobertiger^^^^ Not worth it. Sorry........

lost561 wrote:
There is no 1 "ideal" woman. That's impossible. But there are different groups of women. I was actually thinking about making a Polly myself about 30 minutes ago with 7 or 8 pictures to see which women the men here would choose. And making the men give their explanation why they like the person they chose.

Nevermind then. If pictures are the only thing you think determines the quality of a women, there's no way this gap can be narrowed...........


First of all, a persons looks sais a lot about them. 2nd of all there is no chance to get to know the people over a poll so they have to judge by pictures.



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22 Oct 2013, 2:18 pm

lost561 wrote:

It's not about radically changing who you are but yes I'd say at least half the men here want the type of woman I describe. Not only that but their chances of finding an NT are much greater than them finding an Aspie. Feminine women aren't all shallow, as cafeluit would say that's very racist of you to say. It's more about finding your strengths and exploiting them and also learning human psychology. If you want the hot woman than my advice works better. If you are fine settling for the more weird type women than don't listen to me. And I also never advocate manipulating anybody, just women that I like want to usually not have the pressure of making the decisions in the relationship. It seems as though women on the spectrum do enjoy that.


:lol:

You know, you're a funny guy, Lost. This really did make me laugh out loud. :D

You're young. Maybe you'll improve with age, maybe you won't.

To you, I seem to be one of "the more weird type women". 8) That's cool. You seem to be looking for a daft wee lassie. I'm an intelligent, well-educated, attractive, financially secure, self-assured, confident professional woman. I am so far out of your league that you can't even see me! :wink:

Thanks for the laughs! :lol: :D