Just a reminder in case anyone missed last nights louie

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Yeah, it is pretty stupid.

It's like that picture that is going around online. An overweight guy wants a bikini model; everybody treats him like crap and tells him to lower his standards. But then an overweight girl wants a bodybuilding guys, and everyone praises her.

It's basically telling women that they are all entitled to be loved, while telling men that they suck for having the same standards as the overweight woman. Shouldn't both men and women be treated the exact same for that?

He is clearly hesitant, which seems odd for a guy who complains so much about dating. Especially since Vanessa has all kinds of personality, flirting with her customers and cracking jokes about some of them with Louie. "You're cute, you're funny, and I am both of those ... plus, like, seven other things," she says, sounding a lot like Louie when he has tried asking other women out in previous episodes. She's quick-witted, confident and charming. Who wouldn't want to date somebody this cool?

Rather than watching the video, I went hunting for a transcript. I couldn't find a trnascript, but I did find this, which comes reasonably close since it quotes the relevant bits.



http://www.npr.org/2014/05/12/311897008 ... at-himself



The character Louis CK plays doesn't want to. Because she's fat. And I'm ok with that.

What really bothers me is the idea that one person should date another, or "give them a chance" in order to avoid being hypocritical. I don't think that avoiding hypocrisy should even be a concern in dating. It turns the whole thing into a grim duty. To "give somebody a chance" is to go on a date with them out of a sense of duty, not because you genuinely want to. That's no way to actually find love. If two people are actually compatible as partners there is no need of "a chance". They will actually prefer each other's company.

Maybe it's internet dating that really messed things up. It forces people to view each other as commodities and makes "giving somebody a chance" pretty much the only way to get a date because nobody has ever met the other person prior to the date. Every date is a blind date even if you read a list of qualifications, see a picture, and exchange introductory emails.

I don't watch the show so I'm not sure if it was trying to make a point (the linked article author thinks it was) but in any case, the whole idea of hypocrisy in dating just bothers me. It implies that it would be more honorable for people to accept all offers from somebody "in their league" just because the person is in the same league. In this show, it's the league of people who are nice, funny and fat. Both Louie and Vanessa have those things in common. But so what if they do? Why should Louie go out on a date with her if he doesn't want to? Because he could find happiness in spite of himself? On a show, he certainly could. It's a common trope in TV and movies*- that two people are meant for each other despite the initial lack of attraction that one (or sometimes both) have. But in reality, going out with somebody because they are in the same league as you and therefore you should is not a recipe for happiness.

Will some people never pair up because they are forever holding out for somebody who meets their checklist? Yes. And that's ok. The whole idea of "lowering standards" means the relationship is doomed before it even happens. You can't be happy with somebody nor can they be happy with you if either one of you thinks that standards have been lowered in order to allow them in. It's a foundation of jello.

*ok yes, the trope is almost always the beautiful girl giving the ("lower league") guy a chance in TV and movies. I suppose the point the show was making is that even considering the guy giving the girl a chance just doesn't happen in TV/movies. What I dislike is the whole concept of "a chance", as though you should go out with somebody even though you don't want to to "give them a chance" to wow you. It's a set-up for misery.

*ok yes, the trope is almost always the beautiful girl giving the ("lower league") guy a chance in TV and movies. I suppose the point the show was making is that even considering the guy giving the girl a chance just doesn't happen in TV/movies. What I dislike is the whole concept of "a chance", as though you should go out with somebody even though you don't want to to "give them a chance" to wow you. It's a set-up for misery.

have a look at louie season 3 episode 4, towards the end, when he's asking out a beautiful girl and he gives the similar speech about how he's a troll and she says that she doesnt date guys based on looks and they go out. see, that what happens in the media. but then the roles are reversed, then suddenly its a scandal. so here's your double standard, when an ugly chick is asking someone out it's fine to reject, or to shame her for doing so. but when the nice guy asks you out, you HAVE to because otherwise you're a b***h. basically its fine for men to discriminate based on looks, but for a woman- you can't. So even if you're a decent person with a decent job, if you're a woman and not beautiful one, you have no chances whatsoever. A guy like louie seems to be entitled to chicks, while a woman of his age, looks and status is basically already a trash. so i'd say everyone's sorry for the nice guy who keeps being rejected. while a girl, if she's not pretty, she'll get no sympathies, just maybe pity.

Nice guys suck because they feel entitled to date girls.

On the other hand we should all pity fat girls for feeling entitled to to date guys and being rejected.

Well, she didn't strike me as entitled. I've never watched a moment of this show before, but that struck me as a well written and acted scene.

Nice Guys have a variety of lousy ideas. One is the idea that, if they're nice to someone, they should get something in return. Usually sex, or even a romantic relationship. Then they decide they didn't get the thing because they're nice. Too nice. Not like the jerks who get everything they want.

Are you delusional? The fat girl did not want a bodybuilder, she wanted an old bold fat ugly guy with nice personality. NO one praises the fatso who feels entitled to get the orlando bloom. Where did you get this idea?

In your fantasy world, maybe it doesn't happen. But this happens a hell of a lot in real life. Men are demonized for having standards, and women are not. Eradicating that brings us one step closer to equality.

BTW, I've seen a lot of your posts, and you take sh** too personal. Slow your roll, man, before you have a coronary.