The_Face_of_Boo
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11 Jun 2014, 2:04 am
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating.
the 1950s called--they want their ridiculously outdated sexist gender roles and expectations back, as well as all unsubstantiated generalisations about the ladies.
edit* --go dutch or go home.
Uh huh, apparently you haven't met the type of girls I have. Did I say all women are like this? Of course they're not, but I've met enough girls that feel they are self entitled. It's not just men that can feel self entitled.
could it be you're choosing the women you go out on dates with based on the wrong criteria? --because the ones who are like how you describe usually look and act a certain way and are easy enough to avoid, unless you like the way they look but not the way they act. then you have yourself a dilemma.....and i think it's a dilemma that many people share. pretty on the outside does not always translate to pretty on the inside; looks can be very deceptive. try going out with girls that are more suited to your personality and values--girls that want to be partners, not pets, and want to work and pay their own way in life, if that is what is important to you.
CommanderKeen is right, women who want the guy to pay for date aren't a minority, and sometimes there's no way to know earlier before the date.
As I suggested it to you before starvingartist, you need to meet more other women, you're apparently not much in contact with female acquaintances. Maybe if you do, if you listen to other women's opinions other than of the active feminists and egalitarians and other than on wp, then you would be probably less over-defensive and less accusing of guys that they're doing unfair generalizations.
11 Jun 2014, 2:10 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating.
the 1950s called--they want their ridiculously outdated sexist gender roles and expectations back, as well as all unsubstantiated generalisations about the ladies.
edit* --go dutch or go home.
Uh huh, apparently you haven't met the type of girls I have. Did I say all women are like this? Of course they're not, but I've met enough girls that feel they are self entitled. It's not just men that can feel self entitled.
could it be you're choosing the women you go out on dates with based on the wrong criteria? --because the ones who are like how you describe usually look and act a certain way and are easy enough to avoid, unless you like the way they look but not the way they act. then you have yourself a dilemma.....and i think it's a dilemma that many people share. pretty on the outside does not always translate to pretty on the inside; looks can be very deceptive. try going out with girls that are more suited to your personality and values--girls that want to be partners, not pets, and want to work and pay their own way in life, if that is what is important to you.
CommanderKeen is right, women who want the guy to pay for date aren't a minority, and sometimes there's no way to know earlier before the date.
As I suggested it to you before starvingartist, you need to meet more other women, you're apparently not much in contact with female acquaintances. Maybe if you do, if you listen to other women's opinions other than of the active feminists and egalitarians, then you would be probably less over-defensive and less accusing of guys that they're doing unfair generalizations.
this has a certain air of "i know women better than you know women, woman"--you have to admit it's pretty funny. made me chuckle, anyway. 
edit* to add: there actually is a way to know if the woman you ask out is that sort of woman--ask her. as in, when you ask her out, let her know that you prefer to go dutch and ask if she's cool with that. if she says yes=problem solved. if she says no, tell her that's a deal-breaker for you=problem solved. not that difficult or complicated.
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11 Jun 2014, 2:20 am
starvingartist wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating.
the 1950s called--they want their ridiculously outdated sexist gender roles and expectations back, as well as all unsubstantiated generalisations about the ladies.
edit* --go dutch or go home.
Uh huh, apparently you haven't met the type of girls I have. Did I say all women are like this? Of course they're not, but I've met enough girls that feel they are self entitled. It's not just men that can feel self entitled.
could it be you're choosing the women you go out on dates with based on the wrong criteria? --because the ones who are like how you describe usually look and act a certain way and are easy enough to avoid, unless you like the way they look but not the way they act. then you have yourself a dilemma.....and i think it's a dilemma that many people share. pretty on the outside does not always translate to pretty on the inside; looks can be very deceptive. try going out with girls that are more suited to your personality and values--girls that want to be partners, not pets, and want to work and pay their own way in life, if that is what is important to you.
CommanderKeen is right, women who want the guy to pay for date aren't a minority, and sometimes there's no way to know earlier before the date.
As I suggested it to you before starvingartist, you need to meet more other women, you're apparently not much in contact with female acquaintances. Maybe if you do, if you listen to other women's opinions other than of the active feminists and egalitarians, then you would be probably less over-defensive and less accusing of guys that they're doing unfair generalizations.
this has a certain air of "i know women better than you know women, woman"--you have to admit it's pretty funny. made me chuckle, anyway. It's not that impossible.
I have 3 female close friends who themselves have female friends, I see them like every other weekend, so I am pretty exposed to several types of women of different mentalities (and I can tell you that the "paying date entitlement" isn't uncommon where I live). How often do you socialize with other women? I bet that you as an strict egalitarian would probably get shocked at times of things you would hear from some of them.
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11 Jun 2014, 3:10 am
CommanderKeen wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating.
the 1950s called--they want their ridiculously outdated sexist gender roles and expectations back, as well as all unsubstantiated generalisations about the ladies.
edit* --go dutch or go home.
Uh huh, apparently you haven't met the type of girls I have. Did I say all women are like this? Of course they're not, but I've met enough girls that feel they are self entitled. It's not just men that can feel self entitled.
Seriously? I'm not surprised you have trouble dating if you hang out with that crowd. The majority of people these days expect to pay for themselves on dates.
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11 Jun 2014, 3:35 am
11 Jun 2014, 4:45 am
CommanderKeen wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating.
the 1950s called--they want their ridiculously outdated sexist gender roles and expectations back, as well as all unsubstantiated generalisations about the ladies.
edit* --go dutch or go home.
Uh huh, apparently you haven't met the type of girls I have. Did I say all women are like this? Of course they're not, but I've met enough girls that feel they are self entitled. It's not just men that can feel self entitled.
No, not all. Only those that are women. ^^ At least I did not find the word "some" or similar before your use of the word women. ^^
11 Jun 2014, 6:42 am
hale_bopp wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating.
the 1950s called--they want their ridiculously outdated sexist gender roles and expectations back, as well as all unsubstantiated generalisations about the ladies.
edit* --go dutch or go home.
Uh huh, apparently you haven't met the type of girls I have. Did I say all women are like this? Of course they're not, but I've met enough girls that feel they are self entitled. It's not just men that can feel self entitled.
Seriously? I'm not surprised you have trouble dating if you hang out with that crowd. The majority of people these days expect to pay for themselves on dates.
Not where I'm from. You don't even live in the US, let alone the state of Maryland. You have no idea what women are like in my area. I avoid women like this now like the plague, now that I can identify them. However women like this are still the majority in the area. I live in Baltimore county, that is the worst part of Maryland. The other areas aren't as bad, but I don't live in those areas.
11 Jun 2014, 6:54 am
Schneekugel wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating.
the 1950s called--they want their ridiculously outdated sexist gender roles and expectations back, as well as all unsubstantiated generalisations about the ladies.
edit* --go dutch or go home.
Uh huh, apparently you haven't met the type of girls I have. Did I say all women are like this? Of course they're not, but I've met enough girls that feel they are self entitled. It's not just men that can feel self entitled.
No, not all. Only those that are women. ^^ At least I did not find the word "some" or similar before your use of the word women. ^^
Why would I have to use the word some in that context? The women who feel self entitled are not all women, so I didn't feel a need to put the word some. I hope that clears up any confusion.
11 Jun 2014, 8:20 am
11 Jun 2014, 8:24 am
starvingartist wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating.
the 1950s called--they want their ridiculously outdated sexist gender roles and expectations back, as well as all unsubstantiated generalisations about the ladies.
edit* --go dutch or go home.
Uh huh, apparently you haven't met the type of girls I have. Did I say all women are like this? Of course they're not, but I've met enough girls that feel they are self entitled. It's not just men that can feel self entitled.
could it be you're choosing the women you go out on dates with based on the wrong criteria? --because the ones who are like how you describe usually look and act a certain way and are easy enough to avoid, unless you like the way they look but not the way they act. then you have yourself a dilemma.....and i think it's a dilemma that many people share. pretty on the outside does not always translate to pretty on the inside; looks can be very deceptive. try going out with girls that are more suited to your personality and values--girls that want to be partners, not pets, and want to work and pay their own way in life, if that is what is important to you.
CommanderKeen is right, women who want the guy to pay for date aren't a minority, and sometimes there's no way to know earlier before the date.
As I suggested it to you before starvingartist, you need to meet more other women, you're apparently not much in contact with female acquaintances. Maybe if you do, if you listen to other women's opinions other than of the active feminists and egalitarians, then you would be probably less over-defensive and less accusing of guys that they're doing unfair generalizations.
this has a certain air of "i know women better than you know women, woman"--you have to admit it's pretty funny. made me chuckle, anyway. edit* to add: there actually is a way to know if the woman you ask out is that sort of woman--ask her. as in, when you ask her out, let her know that you prefer to go dutch and ask if she's cool with that. if she says yes=problem solved. if she says no, tell her that's a deal-breaker for you=problem solved. not that difficult or complicated.
^^^ this exactly. The words, with the talking, it's extraordinary how much confusion it clears up. You can even put something in your profile if you want so that anyone who's shopping for a meal rather than a relationship avoids you.
11 Jun 2014, 8:42 am
11 Jun 2014, 8:45 am
11 Jun 2014, 9:05 am
11 Jun 2014, 11:57 am
CommanderKeen wrote:
Let me break down my original statement.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
"If we're going to go this route, we can argue that women feel entitled to a free dinner. If women feel that men who take them out aren't entitled to sex, that's fine, but they themselves shouldn't feel entitled for the man to pay their way on a date, atleast not until they are actually dating."
So in order words women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, those SAME women should not feel self entitled to getting free meals.
Noooo, you're making it worse, not better. You're now making it look like food and sex are equal. If a woman doens't give sex, she shouldn't get her dinner paid for her. So if she's willing to provide sex, then does she get a free meal?
That's what it looks like you are implying. Those women who feel that men are not self entitled to sex, should not feel self entitled to getting free meals? What about other women? It sounds like they should get free meals becuase they give sex.
This doesn't even make any sense.
