Consequences in "why to ask first"

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I'm more worried about Social Justice Warriors bringing social organizations to their knees based on pure hearsay. It's f*****g disgusting how they feel it's okay to ruin a man's life because he MIGHT have done something unsavory - nobody knows the details but he's already ostracized and from what I've read she never was in any position where she couldn't say no - to sex they never had.

Zoe Quinn more recently, who paraded herself as a champion of social justice, was found to forge harassment claims for the release of a new game. When this was brought to light, Warriors from every which way have sent death threats and harassed those criticizing her very unprofessional behavior.

I'm not saying he's innocent, or that it's ok to heavily grope women without consent. I'm saying this culture of knee-jerk hatemongering is diminishing the seriousness of actual assaults by diluting them in potential vengeful allegations.

The moral of the OP is "Men be afraid, due process is optional. Stay away from women until you're sure they're not the kind of person who would ruin your life if things went south."

The comments on this inflammatory article are a good read: http://kotaku.com/a-different-way-to-re ... 1605542083

You know what else is a good read? To Kill a Mockingbird.

I say don't sexually harass someone because it's the wrong thing to do, not because you will completely surrender control of your life to the victim.

i think the accuser has already stated that she's not planning to press charges--she likely knows there would be no point as there is no physical evidence after this much time has passed. i don't think the cops consider panic attacks and other forms of psychological trauma as actual evidence of a crime like this....though perhaps they should. i don't know if you've ever had a panic attack, but it would be difficult to fake them i think just to get "satisfaction" from accusing someone of something they didn't do. so unless this woman is a highly manipulative psychopath, i think it's fair to give her the benefit of the doubt.

if you've ever had to deal with disclosing being a victim of sexual assault to friends and family you might understand why it's not something that women do lightly or easily, which is why false accusations don't happen more than they do. when i told my girlfriends what happened to me, two of them stopped speaking to me--i assume because they thought i was a slut and deserved it, but i'll never know for sure their reasoning as they never actually told me (cowards) but instead just stopped talking to me or taking my calls and mocked me to our other shared acquaintances. lots of people seem to think that when women come out as being survivors of sexual assault everyone around them just heaps sympathy on them--this is just not an accurate description of what happens for many survivors. often there is a lot of questioning and blaming of the victim for what happened to them. my own step-brother's response to me telling him i was raped at 18 was "well you know, 18 year old girls can be very naive."

"yes, i was raped" is not a phrase women toss around carelessly for the sake of vengeance or for sympathy. sometimes just stating a truth out loud--especially an uncomfortable truth--can be liberating. this often can be reason enough for women to decide to talk about what happened to them. so unless you're a survivor of sexual assault yourself and have some idea of what this woman might be thinking, i don't think it's very fair to judge how or why she's chosen to disclose her story.

One of my best friends is black


Sorry, that just immediately came to mind.

Anywho, who has read "to kill a mockingbird" around here?

Pretty much this. Also keep in mind women who have gone through trauma, will be bias against men in a lot of cases. It's easy for women who have been sexually assaulted to view men as evil by default. I am not saying this is the case with starvingartist, but it does happen quite often. I had an ex girlfriend, whom is into polygamy. I had two girlfriends, she had two boyfriends. I was good friends with the other guy she was dating. She is bisexual, so she had girlfriends as well. Well I witnessed how nice she was to all her girlfriends, yet when it came to us (the guys) she was very mean. She even made the guy cry, just so she could get off on it. She was always talking about how she was raped, but yet at the same time would put herself in risky situations, like going to get the mail in her bra and panties and working outside at 2am. She also told me how she used to be an escort. Yes, I did make a huge mistake dating this person. Obviously most women who are raped don't act like her and dont put themselves in those kinds of situations. Rape is a terrible thing, but some women who get raped get really traumatized by it and develop this hatred towards men, some even become prostitutes. I've witnessed a few rape victims become prostitutes.

I didn't insinuate anything about you, but about the woman whom was being discussed making the accusations and other women being mad at the man being discussed in this thread. " I am not saying this is the case with starvingartist, but it does happen quite often." Insinuating, that you're probably not like that, but some women are. I guess you missed that part.

Pretty much this. Also keep in mind women who have gone through trauma, will be bias against men in a lot of cases. It's easy for women who have been sexually assaulted to view men as evil by default. I am not saying this is the case with starvingartist, but it does happen quite often. I had an ex girlfriend, whom is into polygamy. I had two girlfriends, she had two boyfriends. I was good friends with the other guy she was dating. She is bisexual, so she had girlfriends as well. Well I witnessed how nice she was to all her girlfriends, yet when it came to us (the guys) she was very mean. She even made the guy cry, just so she could get off on it. She was always talking about how she was raped, but yet at the same time would put herself in risky situations, like going to get the mail in her bra and panties and working outside at 2am. She also told me how she used to be an escort. Yes, I did make a huge mistake dating this person. Obviously most women who are raped don't act like her and dont put themselves in those kinds of situations. Rape is a terrible thing, but some women who get raped get really traumatized by it and develop this hatred towards men, some even become prostitutes. I've witnessed a few rape victims become prostitutes.

^^ Yes, she should have asked. It *does* work both ways.

Very much so. Bodies belong to the people living in them. If it's not yours, ask before touching, at least until there's an understanding worked out between the two of you.

CK, this "women who are assaulted hate all men" thing is misogynistic. If you can't retract this yourself I'll ask a mod to do it for you.