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12 Feb 2015, 7:09 am

Asia, in a general way, and based only on my personal experiences and the experiences of a few dozen other east-west couples.



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12 Feb 2015, 8:44 am

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I don't ever recall my dad asking mom to fetch him a glass of water, and they're 10 years apart, lately she would only do him a favor for something which is difficult for his age.

But again, they were always both working parents, I think this serving-the-man thing occurs more in the household where the woman is a housewife (without exterior job), because she would subconsciously act on "he brings me money and security, I bring him comfort" kinda of give and take deal. Women are more likely to be non-employed housewives in the East, so that may be the root of this difference.
who got home first most fo the time. the trade was whom ever didn't cook, did cleanup.

cooking duties kinda oscillated between my parents then later passed on to the kids, its was a matter of



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12 Feb 2015, 8:47 am

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If western women would not play hard-to-get, and maybe even show a little gratitude for the attentions of a courtly gentleman, maybe western men would not be so interested in eastern women, who seem to appreciate being treated well.

Not every western woman is playing hard to get. In fact, I appreciate any attention I get from a guy unless it's creepy. And when I mean creepy, I mean in a "let's have sex even though I KNOW you're a minor" kind of way.


kinda why I keep my distance, unless the girl makes the first move. I can't tell when something is creepy, so I keep my distance unless the girl makes up the distance...



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12 Feb 2015, 7:52 pm

SwissPagan wrote:
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If western women would not play hard-to-get, and maybe even show a little gratitude for the attentions of a courtly gentleman, maybe western men would not be so interested in eastern women, who seem to appreciate being treated well.
Not every western woman is playing hard to get. In fact, I appreciate any attention I get from a guy unless it's creepy. And when I mean creepy, I mean in a "let's have sex even though I KNOW you're a minor" kind of way.
kinda why I keep my distance, unless the girl makes the first move. I can't tell when something is creepy, so I keep my distance unless the girl makes up the distance...
Any luck with that?



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12 Feb 2015, 8:05 pm

I've found that the costs of a relationship are often greater than the rewards. I'm a Western woman with an ex-husband and current boyfriend. I'm curious as to what Asian women are getting out of the deal. And if it's just a courtly gentleman I'll be surprised.



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12 Feb 2015, 8:25 pm

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... I'm curious as to what Asian women are getting out of the deal...
The same things that western women seem to consider obligatory - love, respect, affection, et cetera.

The difference is that eastern women seem to consider these same things as voluntary - things to be expressed by a man because he wants to express them to her, and not because he has to.

That makes all of the difference.



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12 Feb 2015, 8:29 pm

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If western women would not play hard-to-get, and maybe even show a little gratitude for the attentions of a courtly gentleman, maybe western men would not be so interested in eastern women, who seem to appreciate being treated well.

Not every western woman is playing hard to get. In fact, I appreciate any attention I get from a guy unless it's creepy. And when I mean creepy, I mean in a "let's have sex even though I KNOW you're a minor" kind of way.


says you 19. hows that a minor o.O

so you'd like clingy men?

I meant creepy as in a criminal. I don't think I communicated that well. Plus I had an instance when a guy in a car asked me for sex when I was 15. I'm not sure if I like clingy men or not.



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12 Feb 2015, 8:37 pm

Fnord wrote:
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... I'm curious as to what Asian women are getting out of the deal...
The same things that western women seem to consider obligatory - love, respect, affection, et cetera.

The difference is that eastern women seem to consider these same things as voluntary - things to be expressed by a man because he wants to express them to her, and not because he has to.

That makes all of the difference.


So Western women offer nothing in exchange for the items mentioned whereas eastern women earn a man's affection? Tbh, I've always seen male female relationships as an exchange of sex for whatever the women wants in return. Are Western women generally less likely then to sexually satisfy men? Is this the attraction of Asians?



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12 Feb 2015, 8:56 pm

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... I'm curious as to what Asian women are getting out of the deal...
The same things that western women seem to consider obligatory - love, respect, affection, et cetera. The difference is that eastern women seem to consider these same things as voluntary - things to be expressed by a man because he wants to express them to her, and not because he has to. That makes all of the difference.
So Western women offer nothing in exchange for the items mentioned whereas eastern women earn a man's affection?
Not so much. It's more like a quid-pro-quo arrangement that devolves into a Pavlovian reward-punishment relationship.
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Tbh, I've always seen male female relationships as an exchange of sex for whatever the women wants in return.
That happens in in every culture. Sometimes money is exchanged for the privilege of sexual relations, sometimes it takes a wedding.
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Are Western women generally less likely then to sexually satisfy men? Is this the attraction of Asians?
Sexual satisfaction doesn't even require a partner!. No, in my personal experiences, it's more like I feel like a person in a mutually reciprocative relationship with my Asian wife, instead of feeling like I was just a bill-paying, sperm-producing, chore-performing man-pet owned by my American ex-wife.

Please keep in mind that the claims I've been making in this thread regarding eastern v. western women are only my own subjective opinions based on my own personal experiences and observations.



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12 Feb 2015, 9:26 pm

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Not so much. It's more like a quid-pro-quo arrangement that devolves into a Pavlovian reward-punishment relationship.

My abusive ex was like that. With him though the reward was keeping the peace.
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No, in my personal experiences, it's more like I feel like a person in a mutually reciprocative relationship with my Asian wife, instead of feeling like I was just a bill-paying, sperm-producing, chore-performing man-pet owned by my American ex-wife.

Cool 8)
I wouldn't mind if someone made me feel like a person.



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12 Feb 2015, 10:47 pm

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I've always seen male female relationships as an exchange of sex for whatever the women wants in return.


I would call that prostitution.

Personally, I enjoy sex, and in a relationship, I don't think it's just the guy's job to provide companionship, emotional support, presents on special occasions, and all that type of stuff. IMO I should be doing all that too.


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12 Feb 2015, 11:03 pm

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I've always seen male female relationships as an exchange of sex for whatever the women wants in return.


I would call that prostitution.


It's only prostitution if cash is exchanged, otherwise it's a relationship. I've just always found that men are way more interested in sex than I am. But if you stop having sex, the man will just become bitter and resentful.



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12 Feb 2015, 11:07 pm

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I've always seen male female relationships as an exchange of sex for whatever the women wants in return.


I would call that prostitution.


It's only prostitution if cash is exchanged, otherwise it's a relationship. I've just always found that men are way more interested in sex than I am. But if you stop having sex, the man will just become bitter and resentful.


My experience has been different than yours. My sex drive has always been equal to that of the guys I've been with.
How do you think things would go if you were to date a guy with a low sex drive?


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12 Feb 2015, 11:12 pm

Not sure. Tbh, I'm not sure I'm capable or desirous of a couple relationship again. I have my on-again-off-again boyfriend, but we're not a couple. I think I've become too introverted.



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13 Feb 2015, 1:33 am

goofygoobers wrote:
sly279 wrote:
goofygoobers wrote:
Fnord wrote:
If western women would not play hard-to-get, and maybe even show a little gratitude for the attentions of a courtly gentleman, maybe western men would not be so interested in eastern women, who seem to appreciate being treated well.

Not every western woman is playing hard to get. In fact, I appreciate any attention I get from a guy unless it's creepy. And when I mean creepy, I mean in a "let's have sex even though I KNOW you're a minor" kind of way.


says you 19. hows that a minor o.O

so you'd like clingy men?

I meant creepy as in a criminal. I don't think I communicated that well. Plus I had an instance when a guy in a car asked me for sex when I was 15. I'm not sure if I like clingy men or not.


sucks that that happen :(

seems lots of women want a guy that acts like he doesn't care about the relationship or need them, independent and all that stuff. probably a reason why I should avoid women, likely just seem clingy to them and creep them out. perhaps I should have been born female.



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13 Feb 2015, 1:47 am

Fnord wrote:
SwissPagan wrote:
goofygoobers wrote:
Fnord wrote:
If western women would not play hard-to-get, and maybe even show a little gratitude for the attentions of a courtly gentleman, maybe western men would not be so interested in eastern women, who seem to appreciate being treated well.
Not every western woman is playing hard to get. In fact, I appreciate any attention I get from a guy unless it's creepy. And when I mean creepy, I mean in a "let's have sex even though I KNOW you're a minor" kind of way.
kinda why I keep my distance, unless the girl makes the first move. I can't tell when something is creepy, so I keep my distance unless the girl makes up the distance...
Any luck with that?

maybe, if the girls I end up in relationships with weren't all international students...