Some very basic dating tips

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Women are in charge? Yes and no. Sure, they can withhold sex.. but if you're a Man, you can obtain sex from another female by attracting them and having them compete for you. Women are in charge if you're unable to attract them.

All animal species' females are attracted to the alpha male/best mate/biggest/strongest/fastest/best looking etc etc why would you expect humans to be any different? Money & material possessions (and physical appearance/strength etc) have evolved in human society to be the indicators of the Alpha to women. Become that man, obtain those things, get what you want. Work for it. Earn it. Or, do as you've always done and get as you've always got.

Women do treat men as human beings.. and notice which ones are more attractive than the other vs. treating them like cattle which are pretty much all treated the same... well, with the exception of breeding bulls - even farmers know to breed their biggest, best, & strongest livestock. Humans/cattle/other animals.. we're all selective about breeding and for sound biological reasoning of wanting to carry on the best possible bloodlines. Hell, we do the same thing with plants we breed, too.

So go reproduce with a poor person if that's your objective. No one's stopping you but you.

Who cares what other people are doing? If they're single, partnered, happy or unhappy with their relationship status etc. Really, who cares? None of those people matter one bit towards your own happiness and life situation. Do as you want for yourself and be happy. None of those other people are influencing your thoughts, emotions, actions, relationship status etc - you are 100% in control of all of those factors, including how attractive you are to others. You acknowledge that people with better physical fitness have an easier time with getting dates, and people with more money/material wealth etc yet you say you're uninterested in doing any of those things or changing/improving yourself to obtain what you want.. do you see the cycle of ridiculousness here? Do what you want to with your time, but don't complain about the results you're getting if you're unwilling to do anything differently in order to get something more and better out of life.

Women aren't entitled to high status males just for being born with a vagina. Not by a long shot. There's a HUGE range of quality of women just like there are men. The women getting high status guys are typically considered beautiful/attractive first and foremost - that's Not all women. Second they probably have a lot more going for them, too, like intelligence, personality, health, fitness.. and maybe they work damned hard on their goals/dreams/careers/passions etc too. Just because someone is born female doesn't guarantee them the high life on some high status male's dime. Not by a long shot. Only the cream of the crop are chosen to live the good life.. the rest are just average people like everyone else.

Women don't automatically deserve love. They've got to be loveable. Crazy b*****s can remain single crazy cat ladies or something. Kind affectionate women find love in return for what they put out there into the universe.

You are right though, men really do need to man up or die. (die as in not reproduce their family blood line, not die as in suicide.) It's the way of the world. Survival of the fittest. Always has been and always will be that way. The sooner you accept & embrace it, and man up, the better time you're going to have enjoying the fruits of your labour vs. being bitter and angry that you don't have a girlfriend because you're not willing to improve your own health/wealth/status and so on. In the competitive reality of the world we live in, what makes you think you deserve to have a woman of your choosing without having to do the hard work required to make yourself attractive to women?

I've slept with more women than a lot of straight guys, too. FYI I'm *not* an effeminate type of gay guy at all. A lot of people have been quite surprised to hear I'm gay. Gives you a little perspective.

As for what I know about women.. it comes from my own experiences, conversations with them which are more and more open I've found since I've been Out about being gay - women feel comfortable talking to gay men about sexual things because they know damn well I'm not interested in them in that way and am not going to go repeat what they said to my buddies and all that. And also, believe it or not, from reading a pretty hardcore philosophy book last year that details some very interesting truths about male/female alpha/submissive relationship stuff in one chapter. It really lays out the whole Man vs. weakling stuff and the Alpha-ness that women are attracted to.

Hehe, yes I know, I was just (way too subtly) pointing out that women don't always assume that when they meet a guy at a bar, that it will turn into a relationship, that many times even less longevity is expected than what Gauldoth was suggesting.

I'll ignore the first paragraph.

Okay, so it's an exciting day for you. I'm a female Aspie (though whether you consider me genuine I do not know), talking to you, and I can tell you that I am interested in sex. A new data point! But okay, if you think I'm actually NT, same info...I'm interested in sex, not just (or even) as a tool. Woah!

And I refuse to believe that I'm such a rare unicorn (whether an outlier Aspie or an outlier NT) that your bold generalisations about "the way women is" in the previous page are relevant to nearly all women. Some women, sure, but honestly I've never had a female friend tell me that they don't enjoy sex, or that they use it as a tool. Why would they be saving face in front of me, when we are close friends having honest conversations about our lives, our faults, our troubles, our exciting moments, etc.?

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been working on getting thinner. you keep deciding to ignore my efforts and be mean to me.

yeah and the world as is and wher its going is so great right? nope its horrible and getting more so every generation.

fat women, ugly women, horrilbe women hot women, attractive etc. they all feel entiltled the same guy.
well off ,attractive, athletic, cowboy type.
however fat ugly guys are willing to date fat ugly women. but as I said above the fat women aren't they still think they deserve the thin hot well off guy.

I don't go after thin super great looking women. I know they won't like me.

problem is poor, fat, ugly horrible women still think they deserve the best guy.

so what is it that makes women think they deserve way better then what they are or give, and its ok, but men have to accept women for what they are while trying to change everything about themselves and then consider them selves lucky to get a girl?

I don't have many close friends friends and do not think going to a party here and there is really going to hurt my chances of dating...though I prefer smaller gatherings. Why should amount of friends determine if you go to a party or not....not sure what that has to do with dating. Also define intresting hobbies and a 'good' body?...then again I am not constantly looking to be dated so naturally I am not going to go out of my way to be more attractive to guys, I think there is a good chance I am already attractive to the types of guys I'd date

I also sure as hell would not care if I was dating a guy and they've had sex or not...a girl who would reject a guy simply on account of the fact they haven't had sex before is an idiot, and I am willing to bet some of these girls are the same ones that will also get pissy upon finding out low and behold, their boyfriend has slept with other women before who he's not still seeing.

I commented on your post, not on any other information. The attitude you have in your post, quite frankly, is unattractive. I know you're not gay, and you're not my type anyways, but from a potential partner perspective: I would not consider dating you. You're negative, blame others for your problems, whine about the realities of the world instead of rising to the challenge to be a better you and get what you want out of life & be happy.

Also, here's another bit of info: I couldn't care less how much or how little money a guy makes so long as he's at least working, sustaining himself, and either making forward and upward progress or at least working towards it. I'll make my own money. I don't need his. It'd be nice if he had some so I'm not obligated to be a provider, but I couldn't care less about trying to increase my wealth via connecting with a rich guy. It's more about the match in so MANY other ways besides money.. and in this day and age of women earning their own money, I bet it's pretty similar for a lot of females out there.

Fat ugly women may fantasize about some alpha cowboy, but they're highly unlikely to attract one & will likely date some joe-average guy. In fact, this happens every day. It's obvious by the fact that there aren't Billions of alpha cowboys out there to match up with every average/below average woman - yet many of these women are in relationships.. with regular guys.

Anyways, who cares what these hypothetical masses of women think they deserve. What is it about YOU that makes YOU deserve a woman in your life? Do the hard work required to become a more attractive guy (attitude, physical fitness, job, finances etc) and then you'll have earned the ability to attract someone. It really is that simple. All you have to do is never give up on yourself and just keep working hard & smart.

Well I am glad you fancy yourself an expert on what the goal of all women is when it comes to relationships...I am glad to know my goal in finding a relationship is to secure commitment from a high status male and that sex is a tool I use to merely fulfill that goal...also that all that matters to me in a relationship is finding a mate who will increase my social status and that if they cannot they serve no purpose to me, not to mention wouldn't even associate with them due to fear their low social status will rub off on me....because I am such a terribly popular person with such a high status image to keep up.

Also that I will only enter into relationships with the most high status males I can find...and will be willing to throw said relationship away if another higher status male comes along.

Wow this is all news to me, because I was under the impression I don't give a damn about 'social status' I have friends and acquaintances who like me...which is cool but could care less about having pissing contests about status with them and living up to archaic standards of mainstream society. Also I figured I cared more about common interests and a bond and getting along well than societies image of a 'high status' male and would be no means be willing to just throw such a thing away because a male with nicer stuff and more money comes along and expresses interest. But you're clearly the expert.

what you a gay man looks for and what a straight woman looks for isn't the same. men dont' usually care about their partners wealth, so wouldn't expect you to. I see just about every woman on dating sites do though.

gee golly good thing I'm not trying to pick up dates on this support forum. I am a bit negative maybe its because no matter how hard I try and no matter what I do I will never bee good enough. the world just constantly s**ts on me.

I don't blame others for all my problems just the ones they cause. most my dating problems stem from women's sky high requirements that are just ridiculous.

yep that's why there's a s**t ton of them single on dating sites asking for perfect guys, its because they are in relationships o.O. makes perfect sense

so all guys have to look like george clooney to get dates? all of men have to be thin twigs. f**k those guys with different body types.
so for the guys that never make over 20 an hour the guys who make 10-15 an hour? we just never earn the ability?
really love shouldn't be earned. it should be mutually given. its not something you can buy , earing sounds like buying. I earn money I earn experience. you don't earn love.

That's true, women likely don't look for the same thing in a partner as gay men do - not entirely, anyways. Even though many women work and earn their own money now, they're still biologically programmed to seek out a protector & provider of a mate due to evolution.

How you do anything is how you do everything. If you're negative and complaining here, even if you don't verbalize those things in real life.. your attitude and energy will convey your thoughts and pessimism. Then try something different/new. It's only your perspective that the whole world s**ts on you. It doesn't. The whole world is busy doing it's thing completely independently from you. The world doesn't have time or energy to spend on you. You do. Change your thoughts & perspective and the whole world will seem like a lot better place.

Your dating problems don't stem from women's "sky high requirements." Take some personal responsibility. Your problems stem from you and your thoughts/emotions/perspective/pessimism/attitude etc. You can't change others, but you can change yourself.

Of course women on dating sites are asking for their ideal mate. Why would they write a dating profile that sells themselves short by asking for a less than ideal mate?

Now you're just being ridiculous. Very few men look like George Clooney, yet literally BILLIONS of men get dates every week. I've also seen plenty of fat guys with girlfriends... ie your average American, for instance. It's not likely your body type that's most unappealing to women, but rather, your mindset & attitude. Sure, people have their types (I do) & might not date someone based on body type, but for those who are willing to accept an out of shape guy - or are even attracted to them - it's your attitude that will prevent you from getting a date, not your body.

You've been told repeatedly by more than just me that money isn't everything. It sure helps, though. If you feel earning $20/hour will make you feel attractive enough to others to get a date, then set a goal of increasing your economic worth to $20+/hour and do whatever it takes to get there. #'s are arbitrary and location relevant. $20/hr is OK money here where wages are low, but women seeking high status high income guys here where houses cost $1M+ aren't seeking an hourly wage earner at all.. more like $ix Figure$ (equivalent to at least $50/hr) bare minimum, which is fairly difficult to obtain.

The world is competitive - for sex and love, too. The whole "free love" hippie concept just isn't very popular. People earn others' affection & attention by making themselves worthy of it.. by being the bigger better faster stronger healthier wealthier alpha male. Sure, you may never become The Top Dog in your neck of the woods, but you CAN become better than you are by working hard on yourself, your body, your mind, your finances etc. People who have "better" bodies/minds/paying jobs/bank balances/cars etc have them because they've earned them bit by bit by working hard for them every single day. They weren't all just handed physical fitness, health, optimism, money etc. They obtain them via hard work - which is how they earn the attention of others and become attractive to them. It's really not overly complicated stuff here.

only read half you s**t because you saying the standard "your bad thoughts caused you to be single" when I went into dating happy, the reality is dating caused my bad thoughts. if i'd never been treated bad never tbeen told I'm worthless or trash I wouldn't have bad thoughts.

also people put on different faces for different things. or do mililtiary personal go around with a killing mindset wherever they are?
I can be happy with friends or playing games and sad here. people are rarely the same everywhere.

I personally know a lot more chronically single men than women and there's more men on dating sites than women. But not all places are like that. There's online dating sites where there's more women than men and women are more forgiving there.


They're only ridiculous if they don't find what they're looking for.


I don't buy this. Working on yourself is great, but work on yourself for you, not for somebody else. That way if it just happens that you are going to be single, you will be happy with who you are and what could be more important than that.

well having been on there since I was 18. I can tell you the women who were on there then are still on there now and still singler looking. so what does that tell you. I'm 27 not by the way. so they've been on there for 9ish years.
their standards are working wonders for them yes?

mind you I wasn't looking back then just mainly doing the questions and surveys I didn't start trying to date til I was 22.

Then I guess my standards are too high, because I've been single all my life. What my standards are isn't relevant in this case. I may have none and it still would be too much.

yeah no its funny. people try telling me my standards need to lower. I'm like I hardly have any standards,so how much lower can I go.

Wow. I mean, just f*****g wow. Now I already know not to expect much from feminists, but this is Amanda Marcotte-level stupid.