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02 Jul 2015, 3:07 pm

I can understand younger folk's concerns about spending half their lives alone but, unfortunately, that's the way things can be for a lot of us. I once saw a scene on TV once where this guy was floating in outer space (in a suit) with no hope of rescue. He was kind of a strange dude and his attitude was, “Well, here I am.” Pretty much neutral, just acceptance of his current situation.
I was happy to hear that this older couple met and found happiness. I met my wife at an Aspie support meeting too when we were both in our fifties with both of us having been alone for 95%+ of our adult lives. I am now 60 and she's 57 and we are very happy. Sure, we regretted not meeting a lot sooner.
When I was younger I wanted children very badly but the right person never came along. Now that I'm older, I wouldn't have the energy to keep up with young children. Not only that, I no longer have that desire and I'm even kinda glad that I never had any. There are so many things to worry about in life and not having any kids is that much less for me to worry about.
The important thing here is to embrace the present, and appreciate the fact that two older Aspies have fallen in love and gotten married, and are glad that they did!



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02 Jul 2015, 4:32 pm

gYP5rW wrote:
The important thing here is to embrace the present, and appreciate the fact that two older Aspies have fallen in love and gotten married, and are glad that they did!


That's right. There is no sense in complaining about it anyway. Every way you look at it, it is still better to meet somebody in the 50s than never meeting anybody.



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03 Jul 2015, 12:16 am

My son is 14 and I have made it my mission to find him friends. Amazingly enough, although he is homeschooled, he now has at least 2 very good friends. One is a guy a year older and the other a girl a year younger. He is in LOVE with the girl and she is with him lol They get along so very well. When you ask either of them why they love each other they both say that they have many things in common, they can talk to each other, they understand each other, etc. Funny that they are so young and seem to know much more about what it takes to have a good relationship. It has been a year since they met and they still "love" each other. They claim they will get married haha. I have to say that as an AS mom, without a doubt, relationships with NTs have been disastrous for me, including my current relationship. When I see how well these two get along, I hope that although not anytime soon, they are able to continue their relationship or if not, find someone just like each other later on. I do think that AS/AS relationships will work much better. From my viewpoint, the NTs have NEVER truly understood me no matter what they claim, but the one AS relationship I had could read me like a book and just truly understand and be compassionate when I was having a rough day.



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03 Jul 2015, 12:22 am

just read this "There is also the trait to not be able to process interest in real-time, so aspies might understand that somebody showed interest hours, or even days or months after it happened, and thus missed the opportunity. This, too, is not an absence of a social skill, rather the presence of a more or less innate behavior that blocks processing of interest information." and well, this is so very true.

An older male friend at work always made fun of me and would tell me "X, even the gay guys like you and tell you they'd ask you out if they weren't gay and you can't figure out when a guy likes you? you think they're just a nice friend who comes to your office and brings you lunch everyday? or a guy who tells you he wants to have kids with you and you think he just wants to have kids but because he didn't specifically say he love you, you think he just wants to have kids with you?" lol :-( but yes, missed opportunities is an understatement...



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03 Jul 2015, 2:41 am

whatamess wrote:
My son is 14 and I have made it my mission to find him friends. Amazingly enough, although he is homeschooled, he now has at least 2 very good friends.
whatamess I think your mission is commendable. I find it alarming the number of parents who are aware that their kids have AS yet give them no extra help and just expect them to figure everything out for themselves. I think you, however, have got AS parenting figured out.
whatamess wrote:
just read this "There is also the trait to not be able to process interest in real-time, so aspies might understand that somebody showed interest hours, or even days or months after it happened, and thus missed the opportunity. This, too, is not an absence of a social skill, rather the presence of a more or less innate behavior that blocks processing of interest information." and well, this is so very true.
I agree entirely. I've observed this phenomenon many times. As you say it can take months or even years yet sometimes even a few moments delay can be all it takes.


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05 Jul 2015, 5:16 pm

rdos wrote:
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Last, there is the eye contact behavior that is so important in order to catch interest in other neurodiverse people.
In my experience eye contact has the experience of creeping women out.


Yes, incompatible women. My hypothesis is that lack of eye contact in neurodiversity is caused by being accused of staring / being creepy early in life, but this "programming" is not functional and should be re-learned in a more appropriate way.


Maybe this is the case for some people, but it's demonstrably not true for all autistic people, as many of them have never had their eye contact called creepy as people noticed they didn't make eye contact from the get-go. I can say I didn't make eye-contact as child not because people extinguished staring, but because I simply found no purpose in doing it. Now my eye contact is described as normal, but very intense. There is definitely a difference between making eye contact and staring at a person you are interested in.


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05 Jul 2015, 6:30 pm

For all the people worried that they won't find love until they are 50 who are young now, I think we should keep in mind that nowadays the world is much different now than it was 50 years ago, and I bet lot of it isn't just age and probability, but I think it's much easier for an aspie to find someone compatible than it was in the past.


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06 Jul 2015, 3:46 pm

Ganondox wrote:
For all the people worried that they won't find love until they are 50 who are young now, I think we should keep in mind that nowadays the world is much different now than it was 50 years ago, and I bet lot of it isn't just age and probability, but I think it's much easier for an aspie to find someone compatible than it was in the past.


I hope so.



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07 Jul 2015, 4:40 am

In 2010 I read about a Down's Syndrome guy called Otto Baxter whose carers made a campaign to legalise prostitution for the benefit of disabled males who have no hope of finding a girlfriend. Sadly, it came to nothing but when Otto was 25 years old, he somehow found a girlfriend. I've been to his hometown and if you live there, you wouldn't meet anyone because it's a remote village with mainly older and married people.

Summer 2010 - http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/833933 ... sex_taboo/
Jan 2013 - http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourto ... e_at_last/

But I am nearly at 30 years and don't have one female friend who is single, and 9 years ago people always said "A girl will come along when you're not looking". 9 years later, their predictions were wrong. So I have come to accept that there is no woman for me after all, even though there was a woman for Otto Baxter.

One thing that doesn't make a difference, as experience proves, is prayer. No matter how many times or how deeply I prayed, no higher being answers back.

For what it's worth, it'll take me less time to unlearn everything I grew up learning about love and relationships than it will to satisfy my need for love, intimacy, close company, belonging, etc. So this is the unfortunate reality - people with Autism are discriminated against, yet society don't want to recognise that discrimination takes place.


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07 Jul 2015, 4:51 am

jadw wrote:
One thing that doesn't make a difference, as experience proves, is prayer. No matter how many times or how deeply I prayed, no higher being answers back.

Have you tried religious dating sites?



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09 Jul 2015, 5:10 am

>Have you tried religious dating sites?
If you know how dating sites work, they're just huge networks working together and supposedly sharing data from their users. In other words, those niche dating sites are just tentacles of some larger network (e.g. Cupid Media) and are the same as signing up to the master site while selecting your niche in a drop down filter. If I'm going to try a dating site again (it won't be the first time), I'd rather go with Match/eHarmony/DatingDirect and make use of their filtering system.

Nevertheless, I tried meeting girls in church (a big young church with more women than men) and didn't get far. As soon as I got to know someone, they went off to do missionary work abroad. Like evangelist churches in general, they gave me the impression that they don't want men meeting women.

Now, here is a good principle for life: The end of delusion is the end of disappointment. I'll get used to accepting I'm to stay alone than win over a woman who has too many men (many who are better at talking and persuasion) to choose from.


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09 Jul 2015, 6:01 am

It's difficult, but not impossible. I met my husband at 26, and got married at 29.I didn't have much dating experience, but enough to know what qualities to look for.



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09 Jul 2015, 1:22 pm

Great article. It looks like I will have to wait as well. I am 38 and am still on the same level mentally as a teenager. I am older but I feel like going out and doing things that teenagers do on the weekends. Most of my friends are early 20s. The girl that I feel is who I was meant to be with is 18. It's hard not to tell her how I feel because it would be so awkward. I will just have to continue to wait I guess. :(


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14 Jul 2015, 3:04 am

jadw wrote:
Now, here is a good principle for life: The end of delusion is the end of disappointment. I'll get used to accepting I'm to stay alone than win over a woman who has too many men (many who are better at talking and persuasion) to choose from.

In our age range that may be true. But there are sports cars, motorcycles, alcohol and hard drugs. They work great as an equalizer to balance the gender ratio out.



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14 Jul 2015, 7:12 am

>In our age range that may be true. But there are sports cars, motorcycles, alcohol and hard drugs. They work great as an equalizer to balance the gender ratio out.

Someone once said "Bad things always happen to good people, never to bad people".

What karma says is supposed to happen and what actually happens (because of fate) are two different things. The Bible says a man is supposed to live long in his land if he respects his parents, but that doesn't stop him from getting killed by a drunk driver in his 20s. In the same way, decent people who want love ought to find love, but if it didn't happen, it didn't happen - that's fate. Karma cannot make time go back.

Just because good people are supposed to have good things doesn't mean they will. If fate is determined to stop me from having a woman to love, me wanting a girlfriend is destined for failure. But if I grow to accept it's impossible for me to be with a woman, then I will find contentment through other means and no longer feel disappointed that people said I was supposed to have a woman when I wasn't. If an 8-year-old boy can say he'd rather have computer games than a girlfriend, then surely so can any man of any age.

All in short: someone can only torture you if they can convince you to want (crave) something that you can't have.


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You are all that I have now, you are all that I miss
Since when did we need more to life than this?


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15 Jul 2015, 2:54 am

Easier said than done. If anyone could live alone happily, nobody would ever get into relationships.