A Self-Made-Man girl discovers that life as a man is harder

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15 Jul 2015, 4:41 pm

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"“Living as a man taught me a lot about the things I most enjoyed about being a woman in the world, things I consider to be the privileges of womanhood—the emotional freedom, the range of expression, the sexual and social power we can exercise over men. Returning to my life as a woman was about reclaiming those privileges and taking greater satisfaction in them. Here’s one small example, which may sound hopelessly old-fashioned and silly, but it made me smile so warmly: The other day a clerk in a store turned to me and apologized for having to refer to pornography in front of me during a discussion he was having with a male customer. I found it very thoughtful and sweet. When a man does something like this now, I connect again with all the vulnerability that I felt as a man in front of women, and I remember all the conversations I had with the men in my men’s group about their need to take care of and protect women. Not all men behave the way this clerk did, of course, but nonetheless I feel a deep sense of the respect that men like him have for women and I feel grateful for it. It’s nice to feel that someone is looking out for you, or trying to, and worries about offending or debasing you even in speech, and this is something I never felt as a man.

It took me months. Probably a good six months to really get back into being a woman. And this is partly because I had some unpacking to do. It wasn’t just a matter of returning to myself, because I am a different person now than I was before I embarked on this project. I feel more womanly now, more in touch with my femininity, than I ever did before I lived as Ned, and that has taken some getting used to, though it has been very pleasant.

I don’t miss anything about being Ned. The few social advantages I discovered in manhood—the swagger, the self-confidence, the entitlement—I’ve learned to incorporate into my life as a woman. Everything else I was happy to discard.”

-Norah Vincent on being Ned for 1.5 year"


I have to disagree with having "emotional freedom" as a woman. If women are emotional, they are said to be *itchy or having PMS or bipolar.


Well, look how I see it.

She is probably, one of the very few humans in human history who has experienced both worlds first hand.

So what she says has way more credibility than what you say. No offense. :P


That because women need someone to represent them - a man to dress like a woman. Can you help us Boo? :lol:


I am too hairy for that, ask the members who saw my pic how hairy I am.


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15 Jul 2015, 4:42 pm

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You know from the book I found out that the way men act is actually because other men expect them to act like that and even their father's brought them up to be "manly". In the section about sex, she hits on the way the men that she hung around thought about women. An example of this was the four "F's" - Find'em, Feel'em, F**k'em, Forget'em.

This book would be good for both sexes to read because she told about both sides of the coin.


That's no secret, but from her interview, she also said she found out that many women out there, want a manly man - not the soft and emotional man.

So it's not only men who expect men to act manly.



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15 Jul 2015, 4:43 pm

nurseangela wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
"“Living as a man taught me a lot about the things I most enjoyed about being a woman in the world, things I consider to be the privileges of womanhood—the emotional freedom, the range of expression, the sexual and social power we can exercise over men. Returning to my life as a woman was about reclaiming those privileges and taking greater satisfaction in them. Here’s one small example, which may sound hopelessly old-fashioned and silly, but it made me smile so warmly: The other day a clerk in a store turned to me and apologized for having to refer to pornography in front of me during a discussion he was having with a male customer. I found it very thoughtful and sweet. When a man does something like this now, I connect again with all the vulnerability that I felt as a man in front of women, and I remember all the conversations I had with the men in my men’s group about their need to take care of and protect women. Not all men behave the way this clerk did, of course, but nonetheless I feel a deep sense of the respect that men like him have for women and I feel grateful for it. It’s nice to feel that someone is looking out for you, or trying to, and worries about offending or debasing you even in speech, and this is something I never felt as a man.

It took me months. Probably a good six months to really get back into being a woman. And this is partly because I had some unpacking to do. It wasn’t just a matter of returning to myself, because I am a different person now than I was before I embarked on this project. I feel more womanly now, more in touch with my femininity, than I ever did before I lived as Ned, and that has taken some getting used to, though it has been very pleasant.

I don’t miss anything about being Ned. The few social advantages I discovered in manhood—the swagger, the self-confidence, the entitlement—I’ve learned to incorporate into my life as a woman. Everything else I was happy to discard.”

-Norah Vincent on being Ned for 1.5 year"


I have to disagree with having "emotional freedom" as a woman. If women are emotional, they are said to be *itchy or having PMS or bipolar.


Well, look how I see it.

She is probably, one of the very few humans in human history who has experienced both worlds first hand.

So what she says has way more credibility than what you say. No offense. :P


That because women need someone to represent them - a man to dress like a woman. Can you help us Boo? :lol:


I am too hairy for that, ask the members who saw my pic how hairy I am.


I have an epilator that can fix you right up.



I would bite you if you ever try to get it near to me.



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15 Jul 2015, 4:59 pm

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You know from the book I found out that the way men act is actually because other men expect them to act like that and even their father's brought them up to be "manly". In the section about sex, she hits on the way the men that she hung around thought about women. An example of this was the four "F's" - Find'em, Feel'em, F**k'em, Forget'em.

This book would be good for both sexes to read because she told about both sides of the coin.



You know, come to think of it, I never really had anything said about men that was positive when growing up. My Ma wasn't happy in her marriage to my Pa, but she couldn't get divorced because she had no where to go. Then at work, I don't ever hear anything good about men either because most of them have been divorced or they are in unhappy marriages. I think maybe we are conditioned to think a certain way because of certain views held by our parents and friends. Just a thought.


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15 Jul 2015, 5:03 pm

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You know from the book I found out that the way men act is actually because other men expect them to act like that and even their father's brought them up to be "manly". In the section about sex, she hits on the way the men that she hung around thought about women. An example of this was the four "F's" - Find'em, Feel'em, F**k'em, Forget'em.

This book would be good for both sexes to read because she told about both sides of the coin.


That's no secret, but from her interview, she also said she found out that many women out there, want a manly man - not the soft and emotional man.

So it's not only men who expect men to act manly.


Maybe they want a manly man in the beginning, but I always try to get my Aspie friend to be more open about himself and he is even free to tell me about any of his "feelings" and he has. I don't think anything less of him. I might think a little something if he was crying in his beer all the time, but regular emotions are not a problem. I think it also has to do with getting to know someone first before all of the emotional stuff comes out.


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15 Jul 2015, 5:08 pm

OMG! I just made it to the new status of "Deinonychus". Sounds important. Wish I knew what it was. Onward.....to veteran status!


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15 Jul 2015, 5:09 pm

Doesn't it make you feel....old? :twisted: :twisted: :skull: :skull:



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15 Jul 2015, 5:10 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
"“Living as a man taught me a lot about the things I most enjoyed about being a woman in the world, things I consider to be the privileges of womanhood—the emotional freedom, the range of expression, the sexual and social power we can exercise over men. Returning to my life as a woman was about reclaiming those privileges and taking greater satisfaction in them. Here’s one small example, which may sound hopelessly old-fashioned and silly, but it made me smile so warmly: The other day a clerk in a store turned to me and apologized for having to refer to pornography in front of me during a discussion he was having with a male customer. I found it very thoughtful and sweet. When a man does something like this now, I connect again with all the vulnerability that I felt as a man in front of women, and I remember all the conversations I had with the men in my men’s group about their need to take care of and protect women. Not all men behave the way this clerk did, of course, but nonetheless I feel a deep sense of the respect that men like him have for women and I feel grateful for it. It’s nice to feel that someone is looking out for you, or trying to, and worries about offending or debasing you even in speech, and this is something I never felt as a man.

It took me months. Probably a good six months to really get back into being a woman. And this is partly because I had some unpacking to do. It wasn’t just a matter of returning to myself, because I am a different person now than I was before I embarked on this project. I feel more womanly now, more in touch with my femininity, than I ever did before I lived as Ned, and that has taken some getting used to, though it has been very pleasant.

I don’t miss anything about being Ned. The few social advantages I discovered in manhood—the swagger, the self-confidence, the entitlement—I’ve learned to incorporate into my life as a woman. Everything else I was happy to discard.”

-Norah Vincent on being Ned for 1.5 year"


I have to disagree with having "emotional freedom" as a woman. If women are emotional, they are said to be *itchy or having PMS or bipolar.


Well, look how I see it.

She is probably, one of the very few humans in human history who has experienced both worlds first hand.

So what she says has way more credibility than what you say. No offense. :P


That because women need someone to represent them - a man to dress like a woman. Can you help us Boo? :lol:


I am too hairy for that, ask the members who saw my pic how hairy I am.


I have an epilator that can fix you right up.



I would bite you if you ever try to get it near to me.


Sounds like Waldo. He tries to bite me too, but all that happens is he is sent to his room (the Waldo Room) without any supper!


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15 Jul 2015, 5:11 pm

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Doesn't it make you feel....old? :twisted: :twisted: :skull: :skull:


Does what make me feel old?


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15 Jul 2015, 5:13 pm

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Doesn't it make you feel....old? :twisted: :twisted: :skull: :skull:


Does what make me feel old?


Deinonychus is well...a dinosaur.



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15 Jul 2015, 5:19 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
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Doesn't it make you feel....old? :twisted: :twisted: :skull: :skull:


Does what make me feel old?


Deinonychus is well...a dinosaur.


You shouldn't have told me. There are just some things that one is better off not knowing. "Women" and "old" don't go together. Boo hoo, Boo!


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15 Jul 2015, 5:46 pm

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Sounds like Waldo. He tries to bite me too, but all that happens is he is sent to his room (the Waldo Room) without any supper!

Cat has a room?



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15 Jul 2015, 5:48 pm

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You know from the book I found out that the way men act is actually because other men expect them to act like that and even their father's brought them up to be "manly". In the section about sex, she hits on the way the men that she hung around thought about women. An example of this was the four "F's" - Find'em, Feel'em, F**k'em, Forget'em.

This book would be good for both sexes to read because she told about both sides of the coin.



You know, come to think of it, I never really had anything said about men that was positive when growing up. My Ma wasn't happy in her marriage to my Pa, but she couldn't get divorced because she had no where to go. Then at work, I don't ever hear anything good about men either because most of them have been divorced or they are in unhappy marriages. I think maybe we are conditioned to think a certain way because of certain views held by our parents and friends. Just a thought.


I was raised by all women and usually worked with majority women, perhaps that is why I see women how I do?
they've always been in charge. I never had a real male to look up to. my uncles would pop by and take me to do things but that was it. so I thought all women were in charge, seems to be that way in shows as well. but apprenlty women want men to be in charge. I don't think women should raise male kids alone. should be some state provided male role model that comes around every day. not me though, people have suggested such a role to me but and I don't tell them why. I can't do it. I'm not really a real man so how could I teach a kid to be one. they'd likely end up an emotional submissive guy like me and be hated by women. women raise men to be how they hate men for. its quite odd. but theres what women think they want a guy to be like(kind, sweet, emotional,etc) and what they really want a guy to be like (agressive, manly, not emotional, dominate, etc) so they create a thing that they don't' really like its horrible.



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15 Jul 2015, 6:13 pm

She looks a bit like Eddie Izzard.



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15 Jul 2015, 6:33 pm

As someone who's experienced society being perceived as both a man and a woman, I can say that which is "harder" depends entirely on the situation at hand, and, on the personal preference of the one experiencing it.

I've also read enough articles by transmen who swear being male is way easier....so...opinions, man.


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15 Jul 2015, 9:59 pm

Maybe it's closer to the truth to say that for some things, men have it easier than women, and vice-versa.