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15 Oct 2015, 5:57 am

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That was a cheeky fun comment aimed at Drawyer. I understand a person anger at the mating game, it's mostly cruel, with rules made long ago, without human consent, but my nature. Sex is not equal and righteous, neither is birth and death.


I never said I was angry, or I considered it unfair. There's little point in judging the law of the jungle---on the contrary, every judgement of ours rests on it, whether we like to admit it or not.

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I don't think there is much point in targeting individuals who don't don't play fairly in a rigged game.


Describing what batting eyelashes means to me is not targeting anybody. In fact, I appreciate being reminded we're not all equals by a long shot, because, as an aspie, I forget it much too easily.

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The same way I don't hate the guys or girls who use a person for their gratification. I don't like the injustice of sexual relations, but I'm not perfect, and I don't know anyone who is, so I try to hate the situation we find ourselves in, and not the person, if I possible can.


Now, that seems an unusual view. Using a woman for sexual pleasure is a big no-no; in fact, I'm not sure there's any hypothetical way I could interact with a woman that wouldn't count as "using" her somehow, and this is one of the many reasons any kind of relationship with them looks so completely off-limits to me in real life.


Hey, I'm such and idiot, my apologies, i re-read what you wrote, and i totally misinterpreted what you said. I was pretty tired when i read it, and somehow turned your comment into something that was threatening, but that's entirely my mistake! I'm sorry.
Leaving that aside i too think all sex is inherently not moral, and people struggle to crowbar sex into social morality with predictable failure. I wonder if knowing that it will inevitable fail helps with the fall out, if one chooses to become involved with the farce of sexual morality between people. I'm kind of derailing my original question for the thread though :p


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15 Oct 2015, 6:06 am

Spiderpig wrote:

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The same way I don't hate the guys or girls who use a person for their gratification. I don't like the injustice of sexual relations, but I'm not perfect, and I don't know anyone who is, so I try to hate the situation we find ourselves in, and not the person, if I possible can.


Now, that seems an unusual view. Using a woman for sexual pleasure is a big no-no; in fact, I'm not sure there's any hypothetical way I could interact with a woman that wouldn't count as "using" her somehow, and this is one of the many reasons any kind of relationship with them looks so completely off-limits to me in real life.


yeah... that kinda feeds the self-defeating bias that feeds my shyness towards anything romantic. even if you start a relationship, you are still the de-facto bad-guy should you find any fulfillment in it.



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15 Oct 2015, 6:20 am

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expression like " :oops: "
What does :oops: imply?


DON'T DO IT - it 's a bomb!!



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15 Oct 2015, 6:24 am

I thought it means "blushed".. a bomb? I don't know what you mean by that..


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15 Oct 2015, 6:35 am

SwissPagan wrote:
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The same way I don't hate the guys or girls who use a person for their gratification. I don't like the injustice of sexual relations, but I'm not perfect, and I don't know anyone who is, so I try to hate the situation we find ourselves in, and not the person, if I possible can.


Now, that seems an unusual view. Using a woman for sexual pleasure is a big no-no; in fact, I'm not sure there's any hypothetical way I could interact with a woman that wouldn't count as "using" her somehow, and this is one of the many reasons any kind of relationship with them looks so completely off-limits to me in real life.


yeah... that kinda feeds the self-defeating bias that feeds my shyness towards anything romantic. even if you start a relationship, you are still the de-facto bad-guy should you find any fulfillment in it.


I think as we are all 'bad' one person shouldn't amuse they are any worse than than the other. Sexual fulfilment need not make you feel like the bad guy if we accept we are all bad. If you feel you are not entitled to as much fulfilment as the next person i think that can make someone feel like they are being bad, or rather like they should not be doing it. To some extent being bad comes with the territory. As long as you are not being a dick about it, and harming anyone either on purpose, or by being totally uncaring to a person needs which are not purely sexually, then being a bit bad, is ok. Probably, what do i know :p


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15 Oct 2015, 6:58 am

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I thought it means "blushed".. a bomb? I don't know what you mean by that..



Yeah, it means blushed, I just wanted to scare you.

but it usually implies that the person finds you attractive, hence why he/she's blushing.



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15 Oct 2015, 8:07 am

I don't see how lovemaking is bad--except if it's "bad" in a good sense.



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15 Oct 2015, 8:13 am

Kraftie, you're messing with my head! What exactly are you saying? :?


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15 Oct 2015, 8:18 am

During the last generation, there were people who thought something very good was bad

Bad meant something like: It's the bomb or some such thing. Also like: cool, wicked, rad, etc. It stemmed from a sense of irony.

I don't think lovemaking is inherently bad in a bad sense. As long as you use protection if you don't want to have kids.

It could be said to be naughty in a delicious sense.



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15 Oct 2015, 8:21 am

Oh, okay. Sometimes it seems like the kids at my school are speaking a different language because I often have no clue what they're talking about! Anyway, I'm asexual and don't like physical contact to begin with [as if finding a romantic partner wasn't hard enough...]


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15 Oct 2015, 9:00 am

The 'bad' i mean is not really bad, so much as not moral. A cat ripping open a mouse, or a plague, or painful death from illness, just happen. Sex is part of that, and part of warm feeling of the sun on the skin, and delicious food. All those things exist outside of a moral framework, when people get together or sex becomes involved, it becomes in truth i think not properly able to be integrated into human morality framework. We tell ourselves lies in order to believe we are still the moral people we imagine (if we do).
How many times have you had sexual thoughts that are at odds with how you would like to seem to yourself or to others?


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15 Oct 2015, 9:02 am

I have had no sexual thoughts whatsoever, but that doesn't mean that I've never been attracted to someone. I always try to stay true to myself. I know that sounds like a cat poster, but it's true [imagine me saying that like Morgan Freeman!]


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15 Oct 2015, 9:05 am

Sex is only immoral (in and of itself) if it is deemed so by some moral authority. I don't find it immoral in and of itself.

If you don't use protection when you don't want kids, then it become immoral. If one partner does not desire it, then it's at least immoral, quite probably worse.



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15 Oct 2015, 9:19 am

There are just so many little twists and turns in sexual relationships, power games, lies, jealousy, rejection, lies to oneself, compromises. I know all that exists in life and other relationships, but there is something at the heart of sexual desire. Objectification for the purpose of orgasm, what we project onto a person in order to desire them, which is so far removed from what that person is. I'm doing a pointless ramble again, apologies.


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15 Oct 2015, 9:22 am

We all objectify each other when we desire each other. As long as the respective partners don't mind it, there's nothing wrong with it.

When a guy "objectifies" a woman in the sense of looking the woman up and down for purposes of demeaning her, then it's wrong.



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15 Oct 2015, 9:44 am

I met my wife through a 12 step organization. I met my one previous long term relationship through a campus church organization when I was in graduate school. Those were two places I never thought I would met a girlfriend at. Shows what I know about how the dating world works.