"Date other fat people if you're fat"

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So it goes back to, too much fruit juice is unhealthy but not that it is entirely unhealthy, it does still have nutrients. I guess for someone like me it sounds very healthy since I have trouble keeping up a healthy weight....seems I always need more calories. I suppose its bad for someone really trying to cut calories.

But yeah of course fruit has sugar and calories, you can get even more of those at once if you drink the fruit....hence why I like to drink those natural smoothie type beverages with tons of fruit packed in as a meal sometimes like the Naked Juice, but I found a much better tasting type now that I have been taking a liking to.

Also wouldn't orange juice with none of the pulp removed still have fiber?

I guess so, but you would need a spoon to eat the all pulp on the bottom.

I wonder if smoothie is a better alternative.

Coconut water.

That is true, compromises must always be made. In the past, when I dated women that had vegan or gluten free diets, they were very forward about it and expected others to follow that diet.

Everyone has different needs though, I love myself a lovely warm roast dinner or a portion of fish and chips at the seaside so being vegan is out of the question. There's nothing like a well cooked chicken and roasted potatoes.

It is funny how dietary needs can be a touchy or moral subject for many, I remember when subway started serving halal meat.

Well I think smoothies typically have more fruit matter...than fruit juice so perhaps they'd be more likely to have more fiber than just juice.

I understand what you are trying to say here, but one of your examples was a hilarious mistake. Investing based on what a company will be worth in the future is exactly what investors do.

It is, but we can still care about someone's body type, right? It is shallow yes, but it's not even all about looks but personality as well, as how someone takes care of themselves says a lot about them as a person. It takes a lot of hardwork and dedication to look fit and healthy, and self-control and restraint for your eating habits, and brings a lot of confidence to get there. Just like overweight people who binge and comfort eat might feel guilty, insecure, depressed, etc. all the time.

Again, this is stereotyping and judging a book by its cover, but unless they are on steroids, you try going up to a big ripped guy and telling him he diddn't get there through hardwork, dedication etc. I follow the bodybuilding regime and I can say it's not easy at all.

Same with an overweight person. Tell them they're not depresswed, they are not insecure about their weight, etc. they would probably admit to you that they are and don't know what to do about it.

And don't tell me about the people bthat are happy being overweight because they are few and far between, and those who are happy are either hiding it, denying it or dont have too many health issues (yet). My uncle (age 28) vomits sometimes just from walking from his car and into the shops - no one would be happy to be in such poor health.

This is about caring about your partner's lifestyle. The experences I vve seen my family go through make me unattracted to unfit and out of shape people and habits. I'd rather love someone in decent health than one who could die at 35.

Anyway, I usually end up being attracted to women who simply don't care in the first place, usually skinny girls with a big metabolism who absolutely LOVE food. I'm lucky for once I'm dating at least a partially athletic girl.

Yes fruit juice have plenty of decent nutrients, most of them are at least 15% 'real fruit juice'.

It's just high in sugar and not carbohydrates but unnatural and added sugars.

it's definitely nowhere near as bad as soft drink which has nothing in it EXCEPT 50grams of sugar, chemicals, dyed colors and stimulant drugs (caffeine).

I think that advice is good for a lot of people. It makes sense to date someone with a similar lifestyle as you sense you'd be be more compatible. I wanted someone who was similar to me & my girlfriend is. We get along really well.

I don't care what other people care about when looking for a relationship...that is up to them. Also I don't think someone has to be skinny to look healthy, and it is possible to be too thin as well. I mean one can be a little heavier and still fairly healthy and active or they could be overweight to the point of morbid obesity and be doing nothing about it.

Seems like you're talking about people who are actually putting their health at risk...whearas not everyone who's 'overweight' is dangerously so. I guess I don't think healthy and skinny is always the same thing.

This is very true, I know people that are slightly chubby and they have great immune systems because they eat a lot of vegetables and lead a fairly active and normal lifestyle.

Plenty of people in bodybuilding burn out often or ruin joints from the extreme diets, training and supplements.

Bodybuilding doesn't make you healthy, Outrider, plenty died when they hit their forties and fifties.

Ah, just seen how old Outrider is, it all makes sense now. The reason those girls can eat alot and remain skinny is because they are most likely 17 year old kid themselves..

If you think its hard now, wait until you have some adult responsibilities on top of it or a family to take care. Most 17 year olds can afford to preen themselves because they have little responsibility.

But you're young so you are entitled to believe that IFBB professionals or WWE wrestlers are the pinnacle of a healthy lifestyle.

Tall and big is not the most undesirable body type for a guy. It's the traditional way. What this rule is supposed to say isn't "date people of the same weight" but instead "date people of the same conventional attractiveness".
A tall and broad shouldered men are perceived as attractive by a majority of women that's why they usually date conventionally attractive women and vice versa. Obviously, conventionally attractive women aren't tall and broad shouldered. Similarly, conventionally unattractive people often date other conventionally unattractive people. Women of size may not have much in common with scrawny and short guys, other than similar conventional attractiveness.

It's B0GUS!

No srsly, there are a lot of guys out there, and some of em are even on the skinny side, who are attracted to women who are overweight...and sometimes even obese(BBWphiles). Pop culture tries to shame them by calling them "chubby chasers" but we do exist. If you are morbidly obese, then you should try to lose some weight for the sake of your health but if you are just thick/chubby/rubenesque but still healthy I say don't listen to these people.

FYI: Reddit is a terrible place for women looking for legitimate advice. A lot of redditors are staunchly misogynist to the extreme and many subreddits are total sausage fests.

I'm well aware bodybuilding does not indicate good health, especially those that abuse steroids or supplements.

Just like a thin person may not be healthy. They may have a fast metabolism, but can still have high blood sugar levels/diabetes, heart problems, cholesterol issues, etc.

And again, same with overweight people. There are so many explanations beyond 'I eat too much so I must be overweight, it's all my fault'.

And, when I say it's hard, I am referring less so to lifestyle and more so to willpower, etc. Finding one hour a day, 5 days a week to exercise, along with 30 minutes of preparing healthy meals you have cooked and refrigerated before the start of the week, along with training each muscle with increasing weights ( a real strain on your central nervous system, joints and ligaments, muscles and mentally straining as it requires hardwork and dedication), along with calculating calories and nutrients, sticking to a strict diet and training regime etc. is both physically and mentally taxing. And indeed it becomes far more difficult when you're an adult.

My original argument, which I still stand by, is I think one has every right to befriend or be in relationships of people with similar health and fitness when it comes to lifestyle, physical and mental, and it's not 'harsh' or bad at all for one to choose to do so. We are far more compatible with those who have the exact same or similar lifestyles and intentions regarding physical and mental health.

'Healthy' is hard to define indeed but generally my definition of 'healthy' is having a body what I consider biologically ideal for a human.

That is, high metabolism, strong immune system ensuring resistance to most diseases, low risk of most body-related diseases, enough physical strength for survival, long lifespan and low body fat - this is the kind of body researchers and scientists believe our ancestors survived on, and this is what i believe to be the pinnacle of human health.

It is also agreed we ate an Omnivorous diet of natural foods plentiful in meat, fruit, vegetables, nuts and seeds.

We eat so unnatural, artifical and processed food these days, it is still generally agreed upon that our body agrees with natural foods the most and that a diet that is balanced nutrition-wise is ideal.

So if you follow half to most of the biological standards for what a phyiscally healthy human is supposed to be, it is then I will consider you fit. I consider good health and fitness objective - to me it is whatever ensures maximum chances of survival and physiological functioning.

I agree it's not the big ripped clunky bodybuilder, but i think the lean body - 'thin but fit'.

Either way, following the established 'bodybuilding' regime crafted by those before me, along with tailoring it to suit my individual needs/goals, is what I follow to get this body. I'm currently 'lean bulking', which means gaining muscle slowly and minimizing fat gains. The traditional 'bulking' ensures fast muscle gains, but a higher amount of gains in unwanted body fat.

I see no reason to criticize bodybuilding when it is just a sub-category of the actual process for fitness - almost all athletes use variations of 'bodybuilding' to achieve their fitness. Bodybuilding just focuses specifically on a muscular body, while other sub-categories specify in other areas.

Overall a good way to summarize is to say my views here are something of a minority. I don't mean to be over-zealous or aggressive in my views if I have been, I'm just extremely outspoken. My personal preference is a female equal in health and lifestyle, though I don't usually ever end up attracted to or dating them. Still, a man can dream.

Well, my husband is 4 inches shorter and 60 pounds lighter than me. I guess neither of us dated according to our body type.

I am actually the more active one, but he has a naturally higher metabolism. It is extremely difficult for me to lose weight. And even if I was at my ideal weight, I would still be a "medium-large" woman, given my Nordic and American Indian heritage. I'm not extremely overweight, only 1-2 sizes over where I *should* be.

I'm what another poster said "thick, but proportional." Everything is where it should be, and nothing is sticking out where it shouldn't. I eat relatively well (compared to the average American), and I exercise regularly (at least a few times a week.) I am not a health nut or gym rat. At this point in time, while I care about being *healthy*, I don't have the desire or ability (time-wise) to get my body into perfect form. I also have no desire to compete at anything athletic, so I really have no need to.

So, why are my husband and I so physically mismatched? Because we match in other ways that I think are much more important - interests, values, religion, intellect, general outlook on life...

At first, I did not want to date someone so much shorter than me. But, I was convinced otherwise and am happy I did.