Amount of effort required for men to be appealing

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20 Jan 2016, 12:45 pm

I wouldn't look for the youngest woman possible. In fact, when I was young, I tended to look for older women.



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20 Jan 2016, 12:48 pm

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I wouldn't look for the youngest woman possible. In fact, when I was young, I tended to look for older women.


Is your wife older or younger than you, Mr. K?


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20 Jan 2016, 12:51 pm

It seems to me that there's a contest between who has it harder, men or women. But in either case, I would say that minimum hygiene standards, like the checklist given earlier, is a very helpful thing to both autistics and non-autistics, Aspies and non-Aspies, alike. Having said that, I've read comments on other threads in Wrong Planet that talk about the challenges of keeping up with hygiene, whether it's due to hygiene or other factors. Your thoughts, everyone, as this is a subject I'm interested in.


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20 Jan 2016, 1:04 pm

She's older.

I've gotten turned on by women whom many wouldn't find attractive.

Diana Keaton looks sexier now than she did in the 70s



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20 Jan 2016, 1:13 pm

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You know my problem (after spending a little time on Match) is that the men that I should be dating around my age look used up - wrinkles and gray hair. Even if they have money, so what? I can make my own money. Because I do all of the things I listed above, I look 10 or more years younger. Why would I want to date someone that has wrinkles and gray hair? I just ran into a woman at work this last weekend that I hadn't seen in 12 yrs and she remembered me but I didn't remember her. I asked her how did she remember me after 12 yrs and she said it's because I look the exact same as I did back then! I guess everything I'm doing must be working. :)


I look very young also. It could be because I take care of myself; it could be genetics. I've always looked much younger than I actually was. I don't want a guy that doesn't take care of himself either. But I've always dated older men.



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20 Jan 2016, 1:24 pm

Some people think I'm younger than I am, but others think I'm older than I am.


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21 Jan 2016, 1:15 am

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Your premise is rather daft

The expectations on woman to appear and act a certain way are on another level. Your value as a woman is almost linear to how you meet a set of criterions that for the most part are in the realm of impossible.

You pretty much won the lottery if you were born a man, white , and in the western world. You have every advantage and priviledge afforded to most people.

It sucks. For others.


Are you speaking from experience firsthand as a white European or American man? Why do you feel so disadvantaged if you are not?



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21 Jan 2016, 1:42 am

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Hmm...I'm not really sure why women go to all that trouble to look good but I certainly don't.

I hate most makeup; I can feel it on my skin. I have never gotten my nails done. I don't pay to get my hair cut, dyed, or styled. I don't wear perfume. I don't wear heels. I hate wearing dresses or skirts. I rarely wear jewelry.

I take very good care of myself otherwise. I like to look good, but I don't like to look fake. Layers of makeup, fake nails, fake tans, fake hair, and so many of the things that other women do look awful, in my opinion. Perfume is too strong-smelling, and dresses, skirts, and heels are uncomfortable. On occasion I will dress up, however.

If fake is what some men want, I don't care: I'm not going to do it :lol:


It is what they want. Men also go for the youngest women that they can find - that's why women are forced to do all of the crap they do - so they can stay looking as young as they can.


The original post never stated anything about hygiene, I don't know where that came from. I prefer women that are natural and many men have stated that they prefer authentic women so we are not to blame for any imposed standards.

Women expend the same energy? Maybe the rare exception of women do but I rarely see women doing a standard pull up, let alone explosive dips or muscle ups. I used to run a lot and believe me, it doesn't even compare to the most intermediate calisthenics or weightlifting routine.

Even in marathon running, the best record for a woman comes nowhere near the men's records. Do you watch the Olympics or any athletic events?



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21 Jan 2016, 1:56 am

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Even in marathon running, the best record for a woman comes nowhere near the men's records. Do you watch the Olympics or any athletic events?


It's well known that men are naturally more physically adept than women. Their lower performance is not a reflection of the amount of effort they put in.



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21 Jan 2016, 2:13 am

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The original post never stated anything about hygiene, I don't know where that came from. I prefer women that are natural and many men have stated that they prefer authentic women so we are not to blame for any imposed standards.

Women expend the same energy? Maybe the rare exception of women do but I rarely see women doing a standard pull up, let alone explosive dips or muscle ups. I used to run a lot and believe me, it doesn't even compare to the most intermediate calisthenics or weightlifting routine.

Even in marathon running, the best record for a woman comes nowhere near the men's records. Do you watch the Olympics or any athletic events?


I can do 3 standard pullups at the moment. But I've been slacking off at the gym lately. The winter time leaves me feeling unmotivated. There are many men that can't even do one.

Women are never going to be able to do the same amount as men because we are built differently and have different biology. It really doesn't matter how much effort is expended. We aren't as strong, or as fast. And I see guys at the gym doing some pretty pathetic weightlifting. They are doing everything completely wrong and putting in almost no effort.



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21 Jan 2016, 3:45 am

I'd say someone who is making the effort to do the exercise RIGHT are the ones putting in far more effort than those who don't, both physically and mentally.

Proper form takes focus, concentration, and, because it correctly activates the muscle during movement, is more physically exerting than doing the exercise poorly.

And I agree with Noturnus.

I don't actually understand why some women feel the need to cake their faces in makeup and spend so much time and effort on their appearance.

There are a few males who like their women that way but I'd say a fair amount of males are perfectly fine with just a natural, ordinary woman. Let's see what the other aspie males here have to say.

It's far more appealing if she gets all fancied up on rare occasions than ALL. THE. TIME. It is against the scarcity effect, making it lose all value.

I see the typical 'hot, popular' females who put so much effort into their appearance as...boring and sterile - they're EVERYWHERE, it's not like your anything special. You'd only 'wow' me if you could look good naturally even with the 'unkempt' look.



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21 Jan 2016, 10:16 am

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The original post never stated anything about hygiene, I don't know where that came from. I prefer women that are natural and many men have stated that they prefer authentic women so we are not to blame for any imposed standards.

Women expend the same energy? Maybe the rare exception of women do but I rarely see women doing a standard pull up, let alone explosive dips or muscle ups. I used to run a lot and believe me, it doesn't even compare to the most intermediate calisthenics or weightlifting routine.

Even in marathon running, the best record for a woman comes nowhere near the men's records. Do you watch the Olympics or any athletic events?


During my time in the military, I ran 35 miles a week, attended three four-hour long Brazilian ju-jitsu classes a week, did three hour-and-a-half weight-lifting sessions per week, led three ninety minute squadron physical training sessions per week, and worked a very physical job.

Most of the males were still faster and stronger than me. Men being physically superior to women is a matter of biology, not "effort."


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21 Jan 2016, 10:19 am

When I did a Karate tournament and grappled with the boys, despite all of my efforts they still pinned me. Then again, almost everyone there thought I was a boy...


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21 Jan 2016, 10:24 am

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When I did a Karate tournament and grappled with the boys, despite all of my efforts they still pinned me. Then again, almost everyone there thought I was a boy...


I had the same experience in ju-jitsu. They say skill is supposed to be more important than strength, but when you're grappling with a 280 pound man as a 140 pound woman, there's not much to be done.


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21 Jan 2016, 10:34 am

Oh well. I won Gold, but only because I was the only girl there.


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21 Jan 2016, 12:43 pm

I can see where you are coming from, we all feel under pressure no matter what gender we are to look good but girls hit the gym too, we don't just diet, we have to tone up too which takes lots of work and our routines are pretty much endless, hours out of our day or an entire day. I would say we have a lot more to take care of than men, being worried about body image is a two way street, but being a girl, I can honestly say I often have a tough time keeping up with appearance because we have more available to us that we feel the need for, eyelash extensions, make-up, having to shave our legs, hair extensions etc, If anyone says otherwise, I will post my morning routine :P which will extend beyond any examples of routines or checklists that have already been posted. Also shout out to a girl at my college who spends 3 hours on her make-up each morning! :D

To be honest if a guy is genuine, he needs to be with a girl who is the right person to improve for, this is somebody who will love him and appreciate him for who he is, who isn't primarily focused on how much he flexes at the gym, how much money he has in his pocket or materialistic aspects of the relationship. Good hygiene is very important, I love a well trimmed beard, a guy who smells good and who presents well but some men feel like they have to appear outstanding to be liked and accepted but really the women who will take care of you will be more drawn to your character.

To be fair I'm just one of those girls, sure I have standards but I really don't care how much my guy flexes at the gym or the amount of money in his wallet, all I need is somebody sweet, kind, supportive, attentive, who works a reasonably decent job and who is willing to stick by me and not play any games.

Not all of us are relatively slim, I'm a dress size 12-14 in the UK because size can be different for those living somewhere else in the world. I'd say I'm slim, curvy but pudgy in places and feel the need at times to put myself on really strict diets and tone up. Other women can get a lot of criticism for their weight too.

Women have all kinds of stress but it's very personal things for them to talk about often too.