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called being born and dying... and everything in between

actually the number of petals would be one of:

so the possible outcomes are:
3 - he loves you
5 - he loves you
8 - he loves you not
13- he loves you
21 - he loves you
34 - he loves you not
55 - he loves you
89 - he loves you
144 - do any flowers have this many petals?

Its more likely than not he loves you.

lol well, im glad the odds are in my favor ^_^

I hate to bust your theory

There are quite a few others like popies

Last edited by 0_equals_true on 04 May 2007, 6:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

There is no formula for the number of petals, flowers can different numbers. What there are sequences per family sometimes.

Hmmmmm

I stand corrected.

My high school maths teacher must have been mistaken and all this time I never actually took the trrouble to count petals - lol

(it was a nice theory though. If Fibonacci numbers don't work on petals, I wonder if all the stockmarket analysis with them is wrong too - lol)

It is actually quite interesting some family have some interesting sequencies, I just googled. The Fibonacci series is closely related to spiral structures like shells and other organics. The geometry and growth of animal and plants is really interesting.

Don't worry about high school teachers. Some teachers still think glass is a super-cooled fluid. That myth has be going for ages, but somehow hasn't been stamped out.

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actually.... it's a phylogenetic trait for monocot flowers to come in multiples of 3s while dicot flowers come inmultiples of 4s or 5s...

edit: so looks like you got one of each in those pics

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yep

you can do homeotic mutations on flowers to make them have more petals (hello--roses!)... but they still come in multiples distributed as such, depending on their monocot/dicot "ness"

yep but there are some flowers with just one petal

What you need to is to control the symmetry of growth, like how they get two headed chickens

what spp? i can't think of any. sure they just aren't reduced?

all 4 parts of all flowers are controlled by 3 genes... you can make lots of mutant variations of flowers just by tinkering with these 3 genes.

Ligulate

This may be due to symmetry manipulation. Are you into genetics? I find it fascinating, would love to find out more.

not strictly no... but i just read that those plants actually do have more petals... they've just become fused together

i just know about the gene regulation for flowers... it's not so much controlling the symmetry as they grow... but changing the actual genes... you can add/take away parts... or just make the plant generat extra multiples...

it's a type of homeotic mutation: kinda juxapostioning entire body parts ectopically... homeotic genes are master regualtory genes that control a whole cascade of genes and such down below them... it's a classic phenotype for identifying homeotic mutations when you get entire body parts being created in a different place... like that 2 head-ed whatever you mentioned above.

flowers have 4 parts: sepals, petals, stamen, pistol... and all 4 are controlled by 3 genes that are expressed radially in the undeveloped flower "bud"

so picture a bullseye with gene a expressed in the middle, followed with a ring of gene b and a ring of gene c...

area with only a expressed gets pistols... the a/b overlap area gets stamens, the b/c overlap area gets petals, and the outter c ring is sepals.

genes a and c mutually exclude each other... and gene b doesnt care... so you can play with their expression ranges to determine the anatomy of your plant flower.

not sure if this is what you mean by symmetry control... it's certainly not something you can change whilst the plant is growing... other than pruning stuff back

Ok interesiting.