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sly279
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05 May 2016, 5:57 pm

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Or one could just be like the way your word it is upsetting me if you word it this way. I feel the reason people call me sexist is they don't like the word use or placement. Perhaps. Both me and my mom are aspies and we often fight despite saying or supporting the same thing because we say it wrong.

For me it's I say bunch/some/lots of women are this way and they say no women are that way and claim I say all women are that way. I get defensive at one being accused of saying all women when I didn't and having my experiences called non existent. I've offered to show them proof but they ignore it and continue accusing me.

It's a endless cycle and its Made me defensive and bitter :(

I got defensive towards alliekit because I thought she was doing the same :cry:

I don't think I can forgive myself for that. I only want to help people and make them happy. I never want to hurt people


Come on I've forgiven you already and yes clear explanations on that could help too


Yes but forgiving myself is a whole other matter



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05 May 2016, 5:58 pm

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Sorry. I'm not really contributing anything useful to this thread so far.

I'm not sure I understand what the rules are actually. And I may not be the only one, which is why we have problems.

Sometimes I think a throw away comment gets taken too seriously and is turned into a fight by a person jumping into a thread and making an issue about it.

Like I've made a joke with a couple of friends today about how "all men are weird" because of something that happened today. They know me well enough in a friendly context to know I'm joking. Of course I don't think all men are weird, but if id made the same joke on here I'd have been shot down.


Hey, I am a man, I am not weird, ok? I am not! :ninja:

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and here I am at 2 AM, discussing issues on a site called wrong planet with an alien logo. :|



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05 May 2016, 5:59 pm

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I hope he didn't think that. I don't think he thought that.

You were actually trying to help him.

Basically, Sly misinterpreted the reason why you posted a certain thread in the Woman's Forum. He took it personally when he shouldn't have taken it personally. I believe this is what happened.

And then you got upset because you felt betrayed. Because you were taking your time out of studying for exams to help him


Ah I see and speaking of exams one is tommorow and it's midnight here so I should be in bed hahaha



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05 May 2016, 5:59 pm

Sly, stop beating yourself up! There's nothing to forgive.

Just learn for the next time.



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05 May 2016, 6:02 pm

Example of misconception

I says lot of women will only date guys who have a decent job

They think in saying all women only date rich men.

I don't consider middle class people rich. Rich people make thousands an hour.

They say they'd only date someone finically stable which is the same thing I'm saying.

Finically stable is generally middle class or 18-28 an hour or more. At least by societies standard and rich economists.

So we end up fighting over the word use and assumptions



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05 May 2016, 6:03 pm

Developing on the ban votes idea.

Let the mods create a candidate ban lists (I might be one of them, I dunno) of who they think are the troublemakers, and let the people of the UNITED STAT-...I mean of WP, or better members of the opposite sex of the candidate, to cast their votes in polls.
Not sure how technically this can be done tho.


Hmm...that would be fun.



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05 May 2016, 6:04 pm

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I say...

Let's do banning votes!

Maybe we could team up with the Social Skills & Making Friends board and use one of the meet ups to do trial by combat.


I think the fact that my first thought upon reading that was "Amok Time" probably explains why I'm single lol


If I were single, the words "Amok Time" would prompt me to ask you out to coffee where we could talk about "Pon-Farr". :D


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05 May 2016, 6:05 pm

Poor sly, Alex makes a thread asking how to fix L & D and everyone points to sly :lol:

Boo raises a point though. Alex, you want to make this place change for the better.
But may I ask, through what means? Board features, or moderation, or a bit of both?
It looks like more board features could be used to detect bad threads or behaviour, and additionally the rules could do with an update.

Also, kudos for the Trek references!


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05 May 2016, 6:06 pm

The problem is more endemic than any one member's behaviour. It might be more productive to focus on an overall code of conduct for the forum and how that could be implemented rather than rehashing old stuff.



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05 May 2016, 6:07 pm

TheSpectrum wrote:
Poor sly, Alex makes a thread asking how to fix L & D and everyone points to sly :lol:

Boo raises a point though. Alex, you want to make this place change for the better.
But may I ask, through what means? Board features, or moderation, or a bit of both?
It looks like more board features could be used to detect bad threads or behaviour, and additionally the rules could do with an update.

Also, kudos for the Trek references!


I think that was mostly due to recent events



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05 May 2016, 6:07 pm

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I believe he would be better off if he met women in real life.

The Internet tends to be a hotbed of extreme opinions, even if the people posting the opinions are not actually that extreme in real life.

There should be more people meeting each other in person, rather than having the anonymity of the Internet.

My experience has been--and this pertains to racial prejudice as well--that actually meeting people does much to dissolve these prejudices. Before I knew many black people, for example, I had ingrained prejudices against black people based upon other people who have had no contact with them. At the age of 11, I shared a bunk in summer camp with three black kids. This changed my perspective forever. We became best buddies all through the summer.

I strongly second this.


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05 May 2016, 6:08 pm

The problem is that when you have people that are desperately lonely and sexually frustrated for a very long period of time they're inevitably going to get all sorts of strange ideas into their heads. Even if it's sub-consciously.

They're going to need an alternative explanation as to why they're single than just "you suck". So that's when you start seeing reasoning like "all women want is wealth" and "all men want is a supermodel". And of course, they'll focus on the small minority that genuinely feels that way in ignore all the people who aren't shallow, again, probably without even realizing it.

I see two possible solutions.
1. Find every lonely person a suitable partner.
2. Preemptively ban everyone who's lonely just to make sure nobody bitter shows up.



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05 May 2016, 6:09 pm

I don't think there should be censorship. But I believe people should stop when told to stop. If the person doesn't stop after being told to stop, this person should not be allowed to post for a little while in order to cool off.

People have to have disagreements in life. We can't avoid them.

Also: the part about attacking the IDEA, rather than the PERSON, should hold sway, like it does in PPR.



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05 May 2016, 6:13 pm

Alliekit wrote:
I think that was mostly due to recent events

Yeah..there's a couple of events that spring to mind.

On the bright side those negatives have acted as a trigger for positive change.

kraftie, cool off periods do work :mrgreen: I was banned several times from another forum for heckling, and now i only post boring stuff there. :ninja: :jester:


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05 May 2016, 6:14 pm

Posters presenting personal opinions as indisputable facts is one of the central behaviours that adds fuel to the fires that break out on this forum.



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05 May 2016, 6:16 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't think there should be censorship. But I believe people should stop when told to stop. If the person doesn't stop after being told to stop, this person should not be allowed to post for a little while in order to cool off.

People have to have disagreements in life. We can't avoid them.

Also: the part about attacking the IDEA, rather than the PERSON, should hold sway, like it does in PPR.


Told by who though?
Just anyone? Then lots of people will be banned as anyone who disagrees will tel them to stop after getting their side in.

I hate when people do that in fights