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29 Jun 2016, 2:26 am

I think you should continue, do not give up, leave your sincere feelings conquered him. Try my friend!



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29 Jun 2016, 3:00 am

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I think the critique is justified in some cases. Like this one.

The rejection is not a problem. Its certainly his right. But in his situation just makes 0 sense. So something seems rotten in this guys denmark.

The main thing is him then treating her badly after rejecting her. Thats plain jerk.


He should not have treated her poorly, but it does make sense to reject someone when you would rather be alone than with someone you feel you are not compatible with.


Ghosting, avoiding or treating poorly after rejection are so typical among the ones who reject- I dunno why, maybe they feel their friendship got betrayed or something.
We hear a lot of the Nice Guy thing (the guy who starts acting like jerk after his lady friend rejects him) - but the ghosting from the rejecting person is also something very common.


I guess it depends on the nature of the ghosting. If the person asks to be left alone, then it's not inappropriate for them to fail to respond to future attempts at communication. But from my understanding, ghosting is when the person acts like everything is fine, maybe even acts like a friend, and then just spontaneously starts ignoring you and rejects all of your attempts at communication without giving the slightest explanation. That, I believe is incredibly rude, when intentional, and it confounds me that we have gotten to a point where NTs have worse social skills than people on the spectrum.



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29 Jun 2016, 9:05 am

Thanks again for the continued input and for teaching me about forum etiquette :)
Regarding the ghosting, he doesn't pretend that I don't exist, he acts as though he is really agitated by my presence. Even if I don't say anything. I can see him stimming and desperately trying to make contact with other people (literally anyone, even strangers walking past) just to avoid me. He doesn't act indifferent, he acts as though he is really pissed off at me. But it could just be anger welling up on the inside, not knowing what to do and then just bursting out... That's how it used to be for me when I was younger and didn't know I had AS yet. I recognise so much of my old behaviours in him that I think I am holding on to him for longer than I should. Makes me really sad... But yeah... I suppose there's nothing I can do! I'd like to be strong and hold on but I think I'm just going to end up butchering myself every time I see him because I doubt he's ever going to change his mind. I don't know what to do. Even if I am quiet and calm or even if I address him to get chit chat going, he acts as though I electrocuted him or something. I feel the pain too you know. My knees go weak when I see him, I get dizzy and everything but I just don't allow myself to act 'rude' anymore I suppose (I used to though). People who've seen it are assuming I am the one who rejected him (because of his behaviour) which I find even more embarrassing. As if I'd ever reject him! So I end up looking like the diva... I guess there's not much to be done about this other than just move on? It's going to take me years because this has hit me very hard... :( but thanks for the continued input everyone, it's very interesting to hear all your views! x



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29 Jun 2016, 9:10 am

We are pretty much limited to guesswork on this guys motivations, myself included.

But returning to OPs perspective, the only thing she did was express personal interest.

Getting the cold shoulder might be a common enough response, but anger/resentment is mean spirited.

Personally, I still think it very strange to hit on every woman in sight and fail and then recoil from an attractive positive response. Something in his mental math doesn't add up. At least have lunch or coffee or something.

And it makes no sense to me to put more into a failed investment.



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30 Jun 2016, 2:38 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
So....this thread turned into a public stoning and shaming of a guy just because he rejected a Nice girl for whatever reason?

And because he ghosted her for whatever reason?

People, ..... flash shokcing news for you: men also have the right to reject or to ghost a nice woman, any woman. Regardless if the reason of this rejection is good or silly - no one has to justify for a rejection.
Of course they do. Absolutely. But they can't claim 'No one will date me' when they turn down people who are interested; they can only say, 'No one I'm interested in will date me,' which is an entirely different matter.



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30 Jun 2016, 3:12 pm

LKL wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
So....this thread turned into a public stoning and shaming of a guy just because he rejected a Nice girl for whatever reason?

And because he ghosted her for whatever reason?

People, ..... flash shokcing news for you: men also have the right to reject or to ghost a nice woman, any woman. Regardless if the reason of this rejection is good or silly - no one has to justify for a rejection.
Of course they do. Absolutely. But they can't claim 'No one will date me' when they turn down people who are interested; they can only say, 'No one I'm interested in will date me,' which is an entirely different matter.


Did you hear this guy saying 'No one will date me'? :| You know him?



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01 Jul 2016, 4:39 am

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What I just don't understand is why he wouldn't even give me a chance if he is so desperate? We are friends (not close) but had enough chances to see our interests & characters matched, I'm good-looking (I'm told) and I really felt a connection here. If I didn't I never would have approached him...

It doesn't matter if he's desperate or not. Everybody has the right to choose who to date.



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01 Jul 2016, 1:56 pm

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hi all,

I've been having a long crush on a guy (we both have AS). I've been afraid to approach him because I really felt very serious about him. After a few months I finally took the step to kindly tell him how I felt in an email... He rejected me. I accepted this of course, but I really have questions. He is very very desperate for a girlfriend, he will ask anyone out (always gets rejected himself), he tries very hard to be tactile with girls (although it does look 'wooden') so basically, he goes out of his way to try and get girls. Sadly I know those girls are laughing behind his back, which really hurts to see. They think he's weird and not 'relationship material' and that he's just trying desperately to prove he can have a girl...

What I just don't understand is why he wouldn't even give me a chance if he is so desperate? We are friends (not close) but had enough chances to see our interests & characters matched, I'm good-looking (I'm told) and I really felt a connection here. If I didn't I never would have approached him...

I feel so bad about myself now... He completely ignores me and even gets angry at me when he sees me now. I'm avoiding all contact... all I see is him making a fool of himself in front of other girls from a distance... I feel so sad.

What's so bad about me that even someone so desperate wouldn't give me a chance? I care so much for him. I never was clingy or pushy or anything like that :-(

If anyone has experienced similar situations, your advice is welcome :) thank you!


Do you want someone who will settle for you or someone who will love you? There are women who look like you, has your income, and your social status who are already dating. After a rejection, you need to move on; it's as simple as that. Don't try to make someone change their mind, don't be someone's emotional tampon, but acknowledge the fact that there are other people out there.


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01 Jul 2016, 9:49 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
LKL wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
So....this thread turned into a public stoning and shaming of a guy just because he rejected a Nice girl for whatever reason?

And because he ghosted her for whatever reason?

People, ..... flash shokcing news for you: men also have the right to reject or to ghost a nice woman, any woman. Regardless if the reason of this rejection is good or silly - no one has to justify for a rejection.
Of course they do. Absolutely. But they can't claim 'No one will date me' when they turn down people who are interested; they can only say, 'No one I'm interested in will date me,' which is an entirely different matter.


Did you hear this guy saying 'No one will date me'? :| You know him?

This individual? No, I'm just going by the OP. But I have heard plenty of other men, here and in IRL, openly mocking women they find unattractive while simultaneously complaining that 'no one' will date them.



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01 Jul 2016, 10:34 pm

Who knows what the guy's issue, he could be scared or he might just not be interested so who knows. Some guys are really specific with what they want in a partner, they'll probably never meet this person but that's his problem. His loss right?



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01 Jul 2016, 11:04 pm

i might be repeating some things to an extent but maybe he prefers the thrill of flirting and/or thinks he could feel confined in a romantic relationship.
people are all pretty diverse.


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01 Jul 2016, 11:11 pm

banyanya wrote:
i might be repeating some things to an extent but maybe he prefers the thrill of flirting and/or thinks he could feel confined in a romantic relationship.
people are all pretty diverse.


I think we're on to something here. I think what it is, is he is attracted to the thrill of the chase, therefore, he goes after the ones he can't have, and turns down the one he can have, because it's too easy. You definitely don't want someone like that. Personally, I would want someone who is going to appreciate the fact that you care for them, and they will care for you for who you are, not because you are available anyhow. You also don't want someone who is just looking for the next thrill. Those types of men never stick around, because they get bored easily. That's just my opinion.



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03 Jul 2016, 1:31 pm

Thanks everyone for the continued input. Actually he does go around saying no one will date him and he is quite fragile in his self-confidence although he has a convincing social facade when he is openly flirting. There definitely is an element of fear present though, it's not just disinterest. He really freaks out around me, like he's close to a meltdown. That's why I am so baffled. I really hope he didn't reject me because I didn't handle his fear with enough tact. He's really very fragile. A friend told me it might have been 'too much too soon' for him because we weren't that close and I told him straight up I liked him. From what I've been told by his friends is he's never dated anyone before, he's 25 now... So I might have bombarded him maybe... I know I should move on, but I never want to make the same mistake again. I'm really taken by him. It's going to take me a long long time to get over this and if I handled this poorly because of his fearful state or lack of confidence, I just want to know... My feeling is that in his head he wants someone but he doesn't realise that he will need to go through uncertainty and fear when things get real. I think he keeps flirting away thinking no one will return his interest... He got into a physical fight last week with a guy over openly flirting with his girlfriend... See, it's bordering on the silly... Even if not romantically, I almost feel a sort of responsibility as a friend to help him out of this. It all seems so dysfunctional to me... x



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Nell75 wrote:
Thanks everyone for the continued input. Actually he does go around saying no one will date him and he is quite fragile in his self-confidence although he has a convincing social facade when he is openly flirting. There definitely is an element of fear present though, it's not just disinterest. He really freaks out around me, like he's close to a meltdown. That's why I am so baffled. I really hope he didn't reject me because I didn't handle his fear with enough tact. He's really very fragile. A friend told me it might have been 'too much too soon' for him because we weren't that close and I told him straight up I liked him. From what I've been told by his friends is he's never dated anyone before, he's 25 now... So I might have bombarded him maybe... I know I should move on, but I never want to make the same mistake again. I'm really taken by him. It's going to take me a long long time to get over this and if I handled this poorly because of his fearful state or lack of confidence, I just want to know... My feeling is that in his head he wants someone but he doesn't realise that he will need to go through uncertainty and fear when things get real. I think he keeps flirting away thinking no one will return his interest... He got into a physical fight last week with a guy over openly flirting with his girlfriend... See, it's bordering on the silly... Even if not romantically, I almost feel a sort of responsibility as a friend to help him out of this. It all seems so dysfunctional to me... x


For as much as it sucks that good people like you in the world get s**t on by guys like that, I am still deeply inspired that you're so enamoured by him, flaws and all. Gives me some hope. :)

I'd say he's not emotionally mature enough for a relationship yet. Step back for a bit, even if it means years, and see how he acts then.



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04 Jul 2016, 4:49 pm

Nell75 wrote:
hi all,

I've been having a long crush on a guy (we both have AS). I've been afraid to approach him because I really felt very serious about him. After a few months I finally took the step to kindly tell him how I felt in an email... He rejected me. I accepted this of course, but I really have questions. He is very very desperate for a girlfriend, he will ask anyone out (always gets rejected himself), he tries very hard to be tactile with girls (although it does look 'wooden') so basically, he goes out of his way to try and get girls. Sadly I know those girls are laughing behind his back, which really hurts to see. They think he's weird and not 'relationship material' and that he's just trying desperately to prove he can have a girl...

What I just don't understand is why he wouldn't even give me a chance if he is so desperate? We are friends (not close) but had enough chances to see our interests & characters matched, I'm good-looking (I'm told) and I really felt a connection here. If I didn't I never would have approached him...

I feel so bad about myself now... He completely ignores me and even gets angry at me when he sees me now. I'm avoiding all contact... all I see is him making a fool of himself in front of other girls from a distance... I feel so sad.

What's so bad about me that even someone so desperate wouldn't give me a chance? I care so much for him. I never was clingy or pushy or anything like that :-(

If anyone has experienced similar situations, your advice is welcome :) thank you!


I'm not sure I have much advise, only sympathy. That hurts, and it's good you didn't throw a hissy fit that involved the phrase 'friendzone' dozens of times.

It's unlikely there's anything wrong with you, he's acting like a c**t by being hostile and it seems he's more interested in getting rejected than making an effort with someone he's (likely) not interested it. It's also possible that he perceives it as 'breaking the rules' since he's the one who's supposed to 'pursue'.

I know it hurts, but move on. You deserve better than that and he needs to grow up before he deserves to get to be with anyone.


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14 Jul 2016, 4:41 pm

Thanks for all the support everyone :) I'm happy to hear my story is a little inspiring to some of you :)
I will not hate him for anything he does, it just hurts me to see that he feels bad around me. If you give someone the cold shoulder like that, you can't be feeling great... I have made the decision in my head to move on, but I bump into him at work and uni and then things get so awkward. He's recently upped his ignorance game even more to the point where he is becoming aggressively ignorant and downright rude to me. I can't address it because he goes out of his way to avoid eye contact and ignores me when I talk to him... it's like I don't exist (in the best case) or that I am a pesky nuisance that he is infuriated by. I just feel like I need to clear the air so we can at least be at peace around our mutual friends! I know he doesn't want something and I gladly accept that now, but I need to do something proactive about this to avoid the blatant weirdness in social situations... It's so bad other people are noticing and starting to ask me questions etc. It's really embarrassing having to explain and I don't want to discuss something so personal with onlookers. Thanks again for all the input guys! xxxx