When you finally got first experience?
It might come down to patience, but that's only for doing it repeatedly. I'm still puzzled why guys cannot do it once or twice with stranger girls. That shouldn't come down to patience. I'm equally puzzled that many young (ND) girls appear to be "starved" on this, so will play the game with a much older guy like me. I mean, young NT girls will completely ignore me if I flirt with them, but not NDs, and I'm sure most of them want a guy their own age too. Seriously, these girls appear to be perfect targets for a guy their own age, but such guys appear to be lost about how to do it or don't feel it is worthwhile doing. I dunno.
The current generation is so different than yours. Like what Outrider said. He is a generation behind me but still applies to my generation about the issues. Outrider is one of most socially responsible person I ever met for his age. You can tell by how people becoming talented and bright minded while the majority 'the mainstream' is still lost at their own worlds. The account of having young love and sex is usually confined to religious marriage which that your generation do. These young people today now are confused and don't know what they want to do with their lives, since they are not religious or culturally aligned. This is an intergenerational problem.
The world is changing, becoming sex positive but also becoming dangerous. Looking at both women and males who kept getting rejected, and never dated into their mid to late 20's in the current generation is NOT a problem. The problem is how the society response to the changes. Masculinity, feminism, marketing brands, models on advertisements, alcoholism, sporting corruption and so on. It create a stigma and marginalisation for those innocent minds.
I observed this a lot from my friends. My friends are environmentally like-minded, the majority of them are single but get rebound relationships from time to time. They get friends with benefits too. Majority of them are females. The male friends doesn't get much pact with women. This is what I am experiencing right now. But some guys have a girlfriend, just more recently. However I don't want to make assumptions of their relationships but rarely last. I can see the trend of environmentalism/hippies/greenies without having identities are easily sex repulsed and influenced by masculinity. This is a same among the party goers, if you check out where young people go to clubbing and bars.
Australia is one of most youngest nations in the world who lose their virginity, as well drinking and drugs (except weed). So what I am trying to say here, the current generation is lost and confused. I get that too but more recently in past year or so I feel I understand the world more than before. It is because that I don't get rebound relationships that distracts my minds of what I want to be.
NB: I wouldn't want to marry a girl who had been through these issues. I am not trying to be narrow minded here but I don't like the attitudes and that I want to deal with. Like alcohol and partying.
Seventeen
And it lasted from 1985 to 2006.
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I have no religious upbringing, so I'm not in a religious marriage. I met my wife at dances, not in church.
It can't be only a generational issue. If it was, young NDs girls wouldn't be receptive to ND flirting. The problem appears to be with the guys, that either doesn't know how to initiate it or won't initiate it for some other reason. Perhaps the main reason is all the information about how relationships are expected to develop written by NTs? That is a generational issue since this was not widely accessible when I was young. At least, many guys (and girls) that come here have ideas that they must date, must "ask out", must handle rejection well, must have regular sex, must "communicate" and must "work on relationships", all claims by NTs that might have no relevance for NDs whatsoever.
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What I find strange is how, even though the amount of men and women are near-equal, all over the internet you see massive amounts of single, lonely, kiss-less virgin men aged 20-30 who hate being single and want a happy, loving relationship badly.
Perhaps I just don't explore the internet enough, yet at the same time they seem all too common on most popular websites with heavy traffic to be 'coincidence'.
I'm starting to think the reason this is the case, is that men dislike being single more than women do.
All over forums and such as this one, Reddit, 4chan, Social Anxiety Forum, and various parts of Youtube, and on a lot of article/non-forum sites, I see single men complaining about it and, while I do see the women complaining about being single, it is much more rare.
Also, it's been found many dating sites, men outnumber women.
Perhaps women just find being single easier.
Also, it is not an exaggeration that more people today are single than in the past.
Various studies and statistics show evidence that the amount of single people in the U.S. now outnumber married people, the divorce rate is at an all time high, and the birth rate at an all time low.
Sources: Single statistics, U.S.: http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-14/s ... good-thing
Single people on the rise in Australia, especially major metro urban hubs: http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-est ... 60b2c80d92
Divorce predictions, U.S.: http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/st ... iages-end/
Birth rate: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/06/ ... -5-charts/
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/fertility- ... d=41233697
Japan's birthrate has become so low in recent years, it is in something of a crisis, as its population will drastically decrease in a generation or two if the birth rate doesn't grow.
Source: https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourcei ... birth+rate
There is also evidence of decreasing birth rates in various European countries.
We as a society have become far too selfish, individualistic and non-committed to love and relationships, to the point it is actually affecting the world as we know it, for better or worse.
I'm 31 and have never had a relationship (if you define it as a situation where two people have mutual romantic attraction). I've had a few sexual encounters starting around age 24, all with women to which I wasn't attracted, but at least one of whom had strong, one-sided romantic interest in me.
At this point, I feel it's not worth having a relationship unless it's with someone who is roughly at the same developmental age as me and who has a similar lack of experience. With typically-developing people my age, I can find their bodies sexually attractive, but I feel that emotionally we're on really different wavelengths, and I couldn't see myself really being that close to them or that much in love. On the other hand, in the few instances where I've met a young adult woman (in the 18-25 age range) who flirts and seems to relate to boys more the way young teens do, my attraction meter goes off the charts very quickly.
I've actually turned down some women with whom things "didn't feel right"--I think one of them may have even been married and divorced before she met me.
I was 18 (as was she). she basically used me in an attempt to rewrite her previous, failed relationship, where he'd left her. I basically used her because I was desperate to have someone, anyone. I was in the midst of a breakdown at the time, almost catatonically docile at times and pathetically grateful for any kind of interest or attention. I walked away in the end (about three or four months, I think), cut her off, not knowing what else to do. First kiss, and some sex stuff though we were both still virgins at the end.
Though I kept on looking/wanting/needing, it made me hugely reassess and raise my standards. I hope it did so for her, too.
Lost my virginity about six months later to the woman I went on to marry at 20.
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Of course, it's probably quite a bit more complicated than that.
You know sometimes, between the dames and the horses, I don't even know why I put my hat on.
I was involved in a "sort of" relationship with a girl in summer camp when I was 14 and she was 12. We made out on the floors of various places. Elton John had a tendency to be playing at these moments.
I lost my virginity at 17 to a girl I really liked. She liked me a little bit, but not as much as I liked her. I had a few other sexual encounters that year.
When I was 18, I embarked on my first serious relationship--to a girl whom I became engaged to at age 19. I started living with her at age 20. We broke up a year after that.
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Perhaps I just don't explore the internet enough, yet at the same time they seem all too common on most popular websites with heavy traffic to be 'coincidence'.
I'm starting to think the reason this is the case, is that men dislike being single more than women do.
All over forums and such as this one, Reddit, 4chan, Social Anxiety Forum, and various parts of Youtube, and on a lot of article/non-forum sites, I see single men complaining about it and, while I do see the women complaining about being single, it is much more rare.
Also, it's been found many dating sites, men outnumber women.
Perhaps women just find being single easier.
Also, it is not an exaggeration that more people today are single than in the past.
Various studies and statistics show evidence that the amount of single people in the U.S. now outnumber married people, the divorce rate is at an all time high, and the birth rate at an all time low.
Sources: Single statistics, U.S.: http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-14/s ... good-thing
Single people on the rise in Australia, especially major metro urban hubs: http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-est ... 60b2c80d92
Divorce predictions, U.S.: http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/st ... iages-end/
Birth rate: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/06/ ... -5-charts/
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/fertility- ... d=41233697
Japan's birthrate has become so low in recent years, it is in something of a crisis, as its population will drastically decrease in a generation or two if the birth rate doesn't grow.
Source: https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourcei ... birth+rate
There is also evidence of decreasing birth rates in various European countries.
We as a society have become far too selfish, individualistic and non-committed to love and relationships, to the point it is actually affecting the world as we know it, for better or worse.
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probably because women don't have to be the initiators
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