Is having a job important in a relationship?If so, why?

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09 Dec 2016, 3:18 am

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So no, currently the way things are, is not balanced at all and is not fair. Men should become as picky as women to fix this.

Maybe internet voting should be used to choose appropriate partner for everyone.



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09 Dec 2016, 10:54 am

I recall someone hooking up with someone else who is on disability--and moving to where the other partner lives.

Having no job may give you the freedom to hook up with someone hundreds or thousands of miles away.



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09 Dec 2016, 4:16 pm

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Having a job really is that important. Having a job means financial freedom, which means you have more options in dating and long-term.

I don't feel it's a dealbreaker for a female partner to not have a job in the short-term. Long-term it means I have to carry the FULL burden of meeting our basic needs. With both of us working, we get more margin in our lives and can enjoy a more secure lifestyle.

It's also important because a single-earner household has to assume greater risk than a double-earner. I'm a musician, so obviously I don't have much to offer. I work three part-time jobs and am trying to break into the music licensing business (to little avail at the moment). For now I'm ALMOST competitive with my wife who has a full-time and is trying to grow a potentially lucrative MLM business on the side. But, let's be honest, the money sucks right now.

Several years ago, we were both full-timers. I thought I had a very secure teaching gig, and it turned out to be not-so-secure. After 3 failed classroom gigs I felt it was time to get out of the classroom. About that time I got a very good church gig and helped start a band, played a few bars, etc. Got fired from the school, started a private piano studio at the same school, picked up non-credit students at a community college. Lost our house at the beginning of the recession, ended up homeless. Time passes, bought a house (paid cash), had to give up teaching so many piano students when my 3rd child was born, ended up on a reality show. Wife lost two jobs when the babies came, lost two bank jobs after that. Drummer with my band was involved in a scandal that caused us to lose our practice space. Started posting music to Youtube.

Next thing I know the school we sent our kids to wanted to hire us. BOTH of us. Which NEVER happens. Worship leader at our church leaves rather suddenly, I take over as interim choir director, start working on Christmas presentation, start earning the occasional bonus. Then the lead singer of a locally-famous party band calls. Needs a keyboard player. Wedding receptions. High school reunions. Costume parties. Outdoor festivals. Playing Blues Brothers, Sam & Dave, Otis Redding. Wife gets addicted to the Younique "uplift serum," promos the stuff to get discounts, ends up selling the full line "because it's fun." Then we get into motivational videos and books. Church hires new worship leader, so I'm winding down, cleaning out my desk, going back to writing music again. We feel great about life. Our struggles are far from over, but we are excited moving forward. Just ran our first 5k fundraiser last weekend, conducted my first choir Christmas presentation, planning a worship ministry social in a couple of weeks, looking forward to parties and 2 week vacation. Things are looking up.

Point? You don't get that working alone. Bear in mind I'm talking about the long haul. If I were single and no kids I'd barely be making rent right now. If I had the time to cash in on the licensing industry, I could probably support my entire family alone, which is ultimately my goal. But that assumes a tremendous risk in a fame-or-famine business. If my wife had insisted on staying at home, we'd never have made it. We survived by both of us working together. Even when we were living out of a motel, we had at least SOME money coming in even if it wasn't much. When she lost 4 jobs, the meager income I had kept us from starving. Single-earners have to bear a huge amount of risk their family might not be prepared for. You have to be careful. Accumulate enough surplus income to make it through 6 months of expenses. Cut costs every chance you get. Get plenty of exercise. Make new friends. Mitigate risks. Work together.

Yeah, money really is that important!


I don't intend to move in with anyone LOL, I also wouldn't expect a boyfriend to buy me anything.



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09 Dec 2016, 9:49 pm

314pe wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
So no, currently the way things are, is not balanced at all and is not fair. Men should become as picky as women to fix this.

Maybe internet voting should be used to choose appropriate partner for everyone.


I think internet voting should be used to pick our elected officials.


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10 Dec 2016, 2:21 am

Avenues for internet voting do exist. I'm not sure about state officials, but online voting for the national presidential election is possible.



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10 Dec 2016, 9:52 am

Catmagic101a wrote:
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Having a job really is that important. Having a job means financial freedom, which means you have more options in dating and long-term.

I don't feel it's a dealbreaker for a female partner to not have a job in the short-term. Long-term it means I have to carry the FULL burden of meeting our basic needs. With both of us working, we get more margin in our lives and can enjoy a more secure lifestyle.

It's also important because a single-earner household has to assume greater risk than a double-earner. I'm a musician, so obviously I don't have much to offer. I work three part-time jobs and am trying to break into the music licensing business (to little avail at the moment). For now I'm ALMOST competitive with my wife who has a full-time and is trying to grow a potentially lucrative MLM business on the side. But, let's be honest, the money sucks right now.

Several years ago, we were both full-timers. I thought I had a very secure teaching gig, and it turned out to be not-so-secure. After 3 failed classroom gigs I felt it was time to get out of the classroom. About that time I got a very good church gig and helped start a band, played a few bars, etc. Got fired from the school, started a private piano studio at the same school, picked up non-credit students at a community college. Lost our house at the beginning of the recession, ended up homeless. Time passes, bought a house (paid cash), had to give up teaching so many piano students when my 3rd child was born, ended up on a reality show. Wife lost two jobs when the babies came, lost two bank jobs after that. Drummer with my band was involved in a scandal that caused us to lose our practice space. Started posting music to Youtube.

Next thing I know the school we sent our kids to wanted to hire us. BOTH of us. Which NEVER happens. Worship leader at our church leaves rather suddenly, I take over as interim choir director, start working on Christmas presentation, start earning the occasional bonus. Then the lead singer of a locally-famous party band calls. Needs a keyboard player. Wedding receptions. High school reunions. Costume parties. Outdoor festivals. Playing Blues Brothers, Sam & Dave, Otis Redding. Wife gets addicted to the Younique "uplift serum," promos the stuff to get discounts, ends up selling the full line "because it's fun." Then we get into motivational videos and books. Church hires new worship leader, so I'm winding down, cleaning out my desk, going back to writing music again. We feel great about life. Our struggles are far from over, but we are excited moving forward. Just ran our first 5k fundraiser last weekend, conducted my first choir Christmas presentation, planning a worship ministry social in a couple of weeks, looking forward to parties and 2 week vacation. Things are looking up.

Point? You don't get that working alone. Bear in mind I'm talking about the long haul. If I were single and no kids I'd barely be making rent right now. If I had the time to cash in on the licensing industry, I could probably support my entire family alone, which is ultimately my goal. But that assumes a tremendous risk in a fame-or-famine business. If my wife had insisted on staying at home, we'd never have made it. We survived by both of us working together. Even when we were living out of a motel, we had at least SOME money coming in even if it wasn't much. When she lost 4 jobs, the meager income I had kept us from starving. Single-earners have to bear a huge amount of risk their family might not be prepared for. You have to be careful. Accumulate enough surplus income to make it through 6 months of expenses. Cut costs every chance you get. Get plenty of exercise. Make new friends. Mitigate risks. Work together.

Yeah, money really is that important!


I don't intend to move in with anyone LOL, I also wouldn't expect a boyfriend to buy me anything.

You are very, VERY SMART!! ! =-D

Jesus once pointed out the difficulties of marriage, which led His disciples to independently draw the conclusion that it's best to just not get married. Some 2000 years later, nothing has changed!

It's not about expecting anyone to buy you anything. It's just having the freedom to do what you want together and enjoy life. You aren't moving in with anyone, so naturally that won't affect you. Couples who have more money enjoy more freedom and have a wider range of options available, assuming you aren't a slave to your lifestyle. We go out once a month, have pizza night every week, and maybe go to movies 3 or 4 times a year. We also own our house and our cars debt-free. We know doctors and lawyers who can't say that because all their margin is tied up in alcohol, parties, million dollar houses, and expensive cars. We look at those things as ways to facilitate doing what we're passionate about, not as ways to keep up with the Joneses. And we're just not going into debt to have those things.

NOT having money means you don't even have the option. The ABILITY to head to the Caribbean any time you want also means you can afford your insurance deductible when something happens to your car or you end up in the hospital. In all honesty, we probably COULD afford a vacation like that, but we have to discuss whether there is something else more important at the moment. We're a family of 5 with gross household income less than $30k. You never know what's going to happen in life, so it's best to be prepared. Having money lets you do that. And the more you have, the more generous you can be towards others. And the ability to invest in others means more people will be willing to help you out if you ever fall into hard times.



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12 Dec 2016, 8:43 pm

I definitely don't have to worry about any of that right now but I'll keep it all in mind for the future and invest wisely with what I choose to put money towards. But I'm actually an aspiring pop singer, so who knows? I may end up being successful with that and have more than enough money to spend!:b

But if that doesn't work out for me and I work a regular 9-5 I'll try to be mindful of expenses LOL.



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13 Dec 2016, 6:28 am

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I definitely don't have to worry about any of that right now but I'll keep it all in mind for the future and invest wisely with what I choose to put money towards. But I'm actually an aspiring pop singer, so who knows? I may end up being successful with that and have more than enough money to spend!:b

But if that doesn't work out for me and I work a regular 9-5 I'll try to be mindful of expenses LOL.

The single hardest lesson I learned in life was how to be generous. When things got bad, we had to rely on people and their handouts. It was a horrible place to be because I felt that I had nothing to give in return. Eventually it dawned on me that without a job-job, I had plenty of time on my hands. So I put all my time into other people, volunteering, listening to other peoples' music on social media and leaving positive comments, writing choir arrangements for a co-worker, playing bass in a church youth band, helping out with children's music at an elementary school, and that kind of thing. When things started falling apart with our church worship ministry, I took over and earned a small bonus. Well, things had started looking up for us at this point, so I started looking for ways to give that extra money away. Two Sundays ago, we did our Christmas presentation, and I had two musicians and two audio engineers who stayed with us through half a week of extra rehearsals. I found some blank cards, wrote thank you notes "from the choir," and slipped almost all of my bonus money in. Sure, I could have used the money. But they deserved it more than I did. Take what you have. Money is the easiest asset to use, but it's not all you have. Time is also valuable.

An aspiring pop singer? We should talk! ;-)



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AngelRho wrote:
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I definitely don't have to worry about any of that right now but I'll keep it all in mind for the future and invest wisely with what I choose to put money towards. But I'm actually an aspiring pop singer, so who knows? I may end up being successful with that and have more than enough money to spend!:b

But if that doesn't work out for me and I work a regular 9-5 I'll try to be mindful of expenses LOL.

The single hardest lesson I learned in life was how to be generous. When things got bad, we had to rely on people and their handouts. It was a horrible place to be because I felt that I had nothing to give in return. Eventually it dawned on me that without a job-job, I had plenty of time on my hands. So I put all my time into other people, volunteering, listening to other peoples' music on social media and leaving positive comments, writing choir arrangements for a co-worker, playing bass in a church youth band, helping out with children's music at an elementary school, and that kind of thing. When things started falling apart with our church worship ministry, I took over and earned a small bonus. Well, things had started looking up for us at this point, so I started looking for ways to give that extra money away. Two Sundays ago, we did our Christmas presentation, and I had two musicians and two audio engineers who stayed with us through half a week of extra rehearsals. I found some blank cards, wrote thank you notes "from the choir," and slipped almost all of my bonus money in. Sure, I could have used the money. But they deserved it more than I did. Take what you have. Money is the easiest asset to use, but it's not all you have. Time is also valuable.

An aspiring pop singer? We should talk! ;-)


I like your style. 8) I'm about as generous as I can be with gifts, money, time etc - far more than the average person, for sure. But I don't do it to be relatively more generous than the average person. Not at all. I do it because it's simply who I am and how I operate. ie My Christmas list is ~ 40 people or so.

Aspiring pop singers.. I'm kinda dating one right now. He does covers & just did the vocals on a song w/ a DJ from France that was just released on iTunes December 2nd. He sounds so much better live in person.


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20 Dec 2016, 8:17 am

One of my biggest life regrets was not immediately walking away when I found out my first GF not only didn't have a job but dropped out of school three times (and quickly became a fourth after we dated). She (rightfully) complained I treated her like a child but it was impossible to see her as anything but. I think she earned less than $1000 in the 18 months we dated.

I also have a cousin who just got married for the second time at 30. She married a guy that has never held down a "real" job his entire life and gets a monthly allowance from his rich father. Even at 30 he looks and acts just like a child, is going back to University for the third time to get a completely useless degree and they have a baby together. I told my wife I give it two years tops before she gets divorced again.

It's not having a job by itself that is the problem, but the childish, immature attitude of someone that expects to be taken care of by another even as an adult. I'm off work now for a few months (for school) and it just plain sucks. I can't relate how anyone would not want to have a job.



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20 Dec 2016, 8:34 am

I hope your company is paying the tuition, and paying you, too.



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One of my biggest life regrets was not immediately walking away when I found out my first GF not only didn't have a job but dropped out of school three times (and quickly became a fourth after we dated). She (rightfully) complained I treated her like a child but it was impossible to see her as anything but. I think she earned less than $1000 in the 18 months we dated.

I also have a cousin who just got married for the second time at 30. She married a guy that has never held down a "real" job his entire life and gets a monthly allowance from his rich father. Even at 30 he looks and acts just like a child, is going back to University for the third time to get a completely useless degree and they have a baby together. I told my wife I give it two years tops before she gets divorced again.

It's not having a job by itself that is the problem, but the childish, immature attitude of someone that expects to be taken care of by another even as an adult. I'm off work now for a few months (for school) and it just plain sucks. I can't relate how anyone would not want to have a job.


1. Not everyone can handle a job. I can only handle part time work.
2. Unlike you most people hate their jobs, and would love to win the lottery and stay home pretaking in their hobbies. This is why I believe so many people falsely hate people on welfare. They precieve us as living the dream. I think if most people had s choice they'd choose having the money and not working. But they can't do they work jobs they hate to get the money to do their hobbies and live.

Likewise I don't really like my job much but I enjoy the $40 extra I make after bills to be able to do stuff I like.
You'd probably consider me unlovable like your cousins husband. Maybe he gives her non monetary stuff that she needs. Like emotional support, and such.
Your ex being a spyco as you say it had nothing to do with her lack of job or dropping out of college those were just effects of her disorders. Other people with similar situations maybe very good people who like me just have terrible luck in life. What if you'd meet your wife and she'd been unemployed and dropped out of schools, you'd passed up on what I assume you see as the love of your life. Will you leave her if in the future she loses her job and is unable to get one again?

I'm use to it though seems to be how most people even unemployed women see guys with bad luck and struggling .



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20 Dec 2016, 6:49 pm

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One of my biggest life regrets was not immediately walking away when I found out my first GF not only didn't have a job but dropped out of school three times (and quickly became a fourth after we dated). She (rightfully) complained I treated her like a child but it was impossible to see her as anything but. I think she earned less than $1000 in the 18 months we dated.

I also have a cousin who just got married for the second time at 30. She married a guy that has never held down a "real" job his entire life and gets a monthly allowance from his rich father. Even at 30 he looks and acts just like a child, is going back to University for the third time to get a completely useless degree and they have a baby together. I told my wife I give it two years tops before she gets divorced again.

It's not having a job by itself that is the problem, but the childish, immature attitude of someone that expects to be taken care of by another even as an adult. I'm off work now for a few months (for school) and it just plain sucks. I can't relate how anyone would not want to have a job.


1. Not everyone can handle a job. I can only handle part time work.
2. Unlike you most people hate their jobs, and would love to win the lottery and stay home pretaking in their hobbies. This is why I believe so many people falsely hate people on welfare. They precieve us as living the dream. I think if most people had s choice they'd choose having the money and not working. But they can't do they work jobs they hate to get the money to do their hobbies and live.

Likewise I don't really like my job much but I enjoy the $40 extra I make after bills to be able to do stuff I like.
You'd probably consider me unlovable like your cousins husband. Maybe he gives her non monetary stuff that she needs. Like emotional support, and such.
Your ex being a spyco as you say it had nothing to do with her lack of job or dropping out of college those were just effects of her disorders. Other people with similar situations maybe very good people who like me just have terrible luck in life. What if you'd meet your wife and she'd been unemployed and dropped out of schools, you'd passed up on what I assume you see as the love of your life. Will you leave her if in the future she loses her job and is unable to get one again?

I'm use to it though seems to be how most people even unemployed women see guys with bad luck and struggling .


I agree with the point you make in the last paragraph. People always make blanket judgments about people who the only thing they know is they're ''unemployed'' and these are really harsh, expletive laced opinions even though they don't know any other details, only the person doesn't have a place of work currently. How can one pass such harsh judgment and refuse to give somebody a chance purely on the basis of them not having a job at a given point in their lives? You're really going to let that keep you from potentially meeting somebody who otherwise defies the stereotypes you have in mind and demonstrates that a person is just so much more outside of a job occupation. Too many people think not having a job makes you a scumbag and means you're not worthy of respect, which I personally don't agree with.

In all honesty though, that chat I posted is the first time I even realized how relevant this was to people and the first time I was even exposed to how harsh people's judgments are. Until recently, I wasn't even aware this was a relevant thing and now that I know, I can't help but be shocked at how negative people's opinions are. But I can still see things from their perspectives in terms of perhaps not thinking of somebody who currently doesn't hold a job in a negative light however thinking that the financial situation this would cause would unfortunately be sure to keep them apart and be the reason why they couldn't be together. Personally, even if I worked a high paying job I wouldn't care if the person I in fact was in LOVE with was a homeless person LOL. I don't want to improve myself and advance in my life just to get to a point where I can turn my nose up and look down on anybody as being beneath me. No matter what, I'll treat everyone with respect and if I can make it work, because love is something worth working for not just a boss LOL, I'll give anybody a chance as long as they're a good person, especially if they're at least devoted to a cause regardless of employment status. I don't view love materialistically, I only care about LOVE and the PERSON not money, gifts, material possessions or employment.



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20 Dec 2016, 7:27 pm

It's all from the companies if your not a cog in their machine then you're he enemy. So they've tricked generations into seeing people solely as their job title.

"Oh you're a fireman"
No that's just their job not who they are
I'm not a sales associate



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It's all from the companies if your not a cog in their machine then you're he enemy. So they've tricked generations into seeing people solely as their job title.

"Oh you're a fireman"
No that's just their job not who they are
I'm not a sales associate


The general mentality is very cult like. Could never see myself thinking the way a lot of these people do. I just can't see how a person's job is there worth and value as an otherwise potentially wonderful human being.



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Catmagic101a wrote:
sly279 wrote:
It's all from the companies if your not a cog in their machine then you're he enemy. So they've tricked generations into seeing people solely as their job title.

"Oh you're a fireman"
No that's just their job not who they are
I'm not a sales associate


The general mentality is very cult like. Could never see myself thinking the way a lot of these people do. I just can't see how a person's job is there worth and value as an otherwise potentially wonderful human being.


Here's why you can't wrap your mind around job titles equating to human worthiness/relationship material: You're autistic and don't grasp the concept that people tend to socialize with others that are like them, and that these social groups tend to work together. The good ol' "birds of a feather flock together."

You can expect a certain type, or range, of person in almost any given occupation. For the most part, people will have a similar level of education, income, intelligence, personality type, similar interests, will live in a certain area, can afford to eat a certain diet, have similar tastes in music & other entertainment etc etc depending on their socioeconomic class. A job title conveys an awful lot about what someone is likely to be like. It's not always necessarily dead accurate, but usually a pretty good indicator.

Also, income level (pretty easily discerned from job title) dictates disposable income and lifestyle. That's important to a lot of people.

IMO it's not important how someone earns their money so long as it's ethical/legal and they're either optimizing how much money they can earn OR how much they love their job. (or are in the process of reassessing & changing that) And I'm definitely an anomaly doing the labour job I do with my education level, but I'm doing it by choice for other long term goal reasons.


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