Why does getting a girlfriend have to be so complicated?

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02 Jan 2017, 12:18 pm

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Women don't give out their numbers to strange guys - not necessarily because we're AFRAID of them, but because it's obvious you're OFF, and by "off" I mean we can't tell what it is but it's obvious there's something wrong with you.

Because by asking for a stranger's number, you've just skipped over all of the social graces, the unwritten social rules, etc. You may not like them, but that's just too bad because that's the way it is. And when you don't play by the social rules, you will not win.

All those videos and posts on You Tube, all those movies you see where the guy wins the beautiful girl at the end - that's all they are - entertainment. They're not real.

You're getting good feedback here. If you want success you have to change what you've been doing. IT. DOESN'T. WORK.
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If this at all really does help you, you're welcome.


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02 Jan 2017, 12:29 pm

Did you just describe your idea date as "easy and simple-minded" as well as "desperate?"

These are really negative words. Basically, you're asking for her to be sexual with you right away (easy), stupid (simple-minded) and not attractive to other people (desperate.) Nobody likes being called these things.

Women like men who respect them. They really do. They want to feel safe around you. They don't want to feel like they are a looser if they date you. Make them feel respected and liked. Get to know them first. You will have a much easier time getting a date that way.

You really would be surprised how far you can get by convincing a girl that you really do think she's wonderful. Of course, you have to get to know her enough to find out what is sincerely wonderful about her first. You can't just compliment her sweater and expect that to work.



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02 Jan 2017, 12:47 pm

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Maybe try exchanging a few text messages first, before jumping headlong in to a telephone conversation. Perhaps you are giving off a bit of an intense vibe? Alternatively and it's not nice to bring it up but perhaps they give you their number to get you to go away- it's a common strategy in the face of male intimidation. There may be other reasons as well but viewing an entire gender as liars and backstabbers isn't going to help your romantic endeavours; It's absolutely not true that "they're all sl uts" and coming from that angle is only going to make things harder for you and cause you more pain and frustration in the long run.

There are no fool proof methods, just trial and error and the opportunity to meet new people. Sure desperate people exist but do you think 2 people desperately settling for the first person to come along and settle for them will be the situation to bring you happiness? I know loneliness, romantic or otherwise, can be a truly terrible thing but the amount of pressure put on getting a relationship is more than likely harming your chances.

How do you fair in conversation? Are you able/willing to talk to these girls and get to know them a bit before hand or is it a case of just exchanging numbers?


"they give you their number to get you to go away" JUST AS I FIGURED. "How do you fair in conversation? Are you able/willing to talk to these girls and get to know them a bit" I'm terrible at talking to girls. I don't know what they like to talk about, and I'm always afraid of saying the wrong things. I feel as if I have to be a one-man show. I don't know anything about the female gender PERSONALLY. The only woman I know is my mother and this one girl I went on a date with once back in high school. On top of that, I'm an only-child with mild Asperger's and social anxiety. I don't know how females think. They're like aliens from another universe. The only people I understand are guys. I wish I could get to know a female, but they never open up. They expect ME to do all the ice-breaking because they're pricks and it's my gender-role.


Women don't all have the same interests, try talking about some things you like to talk about ask them stuff about them to get to know them find out what they like. It really is trial and error, but you certainly can't get to know someone if you don't talk to them or express yourself because you're afraid of saying the wrong thing. Also how can they open up if you don't open up? Not so sure it is as simple as them being pricks...you shouldn't have to do 'all' the ice-breaking but you can't expect them to do it all either.


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02 Jan 2017, 12:58 pm

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"if you have a very negative opinion about women, why would any woman want to get to know you? A woman wants a boyfriend who lovers her, not one who thinks of her as sub-human." They don't know that, and I obviously wouldn't tell them what I really think about them because it would hurt their feelings, even though I'd love more than anything to give them a piece of my mind.


Why do you want a girlfriend if you'd 'really' think badly of her for being female and just keep it from her? And perhaps you think you could keep it well hidden, but I imagine your disdain for her or longing for a time when she doesn't have rights would show through in your behavior eventually. Perhaps women are making the right choice by not dating you if that is your attitude.


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02 Jan 2017, 1:01 pm

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"I find the "thinking people are people" approach works with most people" Women are not men. They are women. Therefore, they are not equal, and I will treat them like the females they are, unless they have a problem with being female...



umm no...


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02 Jan 2017, 1:05 pm

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...you won't get a date by just asking some stranger out on a date. It doesn't work that way. And where did you get the idea that it did?


Probably from all the dumbass men on this sub-forum who keep insisting people should just ask out total strangers in public places.


Why the hell not? Society loves to judge guilty until proven innocent. But if we lived in a perfect world, then asking out "strangers" would be normal and 'stranger danger' wouldn't freaking exist.


It's not about "stranger danger", it's about people not wanting to be sexually harassed by some ugly stranger when they're just trying to mind their own business.
Here's what I do and it is not harassment: "Hi, I think you're cute, and I was wondering if you're single?" Answer: "Yes." "Wanna exchange numbers?" Answer: "Ok." (Gives number) (I text later later and 1/10 this leads to a date through planning a meeting and specific time)


And what if they say they aren't single, or don't want to exchange numbers...how do you react then?


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02 Jan 2017, 1:42 pm

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...you won't get a date by just asking some stranger out on a date. It doesn't work that way. And where did you get the idea that it did?


Probably from all the dumbass men on this sub-forum who keep insisting people should just ask out total strangers in public places.


Why the hell not? Society loves to judge guilty until proven innocent. But if we lived in a perfect world, then asking out "strangers" would be normal and 'stranger danger' wouldn't freaking exist.


It's not about "stranger danger", it's about people not wanting to be sexually harassed by some ugly stranger when they're just trying to mind their own business.

Do you live on the bloody Moon or what? People ask out strangers all the time. It happens often and it's not sexual harassment.
Surely there's also a way things must be done.



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02 Jan 2017, 2:52 pm

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Do you live on the bloody Moon or what? People ask out strangers all the time. It happens often and it's not sexual harassment.
Surely there's also a way things must be done.


You must not have been paying attention to this thread because he says approaching some strange woman and asking her out is not working for him.

Sure, it works in the movies. And sure, it may work if you're a super flashy hot guy. But probably not so much if you're an autistic unemployed 20 year old.

You need to be realistic about your own level of attractiveness and dating market value. And if cold approaches have not been working, why on earth would you keep doing it??


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02 Jan 2017, 2:58 pm

Peacesells wrote:
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Sabreclaw wrote:
Luhluhluh wrote:
...you won't get a date by just asking some stranger out on a date. It doesn't work that way. And where did you get the idea that it did?


Probably from all the dumbass men on this sub-forum who keep insisting people should just ask out total strangers in public places.


Why the hell not? Society loves to judge guilty until proven innocent. But if we lived in a perfect world, then asking out "strangers" would be normal and 'stranger danger' wouldn't freaking exist.


It's not about "stranger danger", it's about people not wanting to be sexually harassed by some ugly stranger when they're just trying to mind their own business.

Do you live on the bloody Moon or what? People ask out strangers all the time. It happens often and it's not sexual harassment.
Surely there's also a way things must be done.


... and posing another question directly to Peacesells - what is your current relationship status and how many cold approaches have resulted in a successful relationship for you?


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02 Jan 2017, 4:50 pm

Here's a tip: Stop being so damned desperate. It's like being fearful around an animal.. they can smell it - and it's not good for you. Once you're content in your solitude, you'll be ever more attractive to others and then you won't be able to stop the flood of girls wanting to be around you... but being negative, depressed, desperate, and screaming for attention results in the exact opposite of the desired effect - people don't want to be around you. Period. Learn to deal with that part of yourself and change your vibe and then things WILL get better.


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02 Jan 2017, 10:25 pm

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Here's a tip: Stop being so damned desperate. It's like being fearful around an animal.. they can smell it - and it's not good for you. Once you're content in your solitude, you'll be ever more attractive to others and then you won't be able to stop the flood of girls wanting to be around you... but being negative, depressed, desperate, and screaming for attention results in the exact opposite of the desired effect - people don't want to be around you. Period. Learn to deal with that part of yourself and change your vibe and then things WILL get better.

Yes, absolutely. Right on point. Unfortunately, it's impossible to be content in my solitude when I've been alone and deprived of women all my life... Not that it matters of course. But I know what you mean - Just put on an act and pretend like everything is A-ok. Been there, done that. On a side note, I'd like to thank you all for opening my eyes to the sad ways of society and their strict unwritten rules. It never occurred to me that everyone really felt that way about me. I always thought the stuff I did was normal. Thank you all for this long overdue rude awakening. I've done some deep thinking and all the pieces are finally coming together. Everything kinda makes sense now. Soon I'll catch up with everyone else.

What I've learned today are the differences between what is socially appropriate and inappropriate -- When, and when NOT to socialize with strangers. If only someone had taught me this stuff... In retrospect, I wish to God I could go back in time and take advantage of all the social opportunities I had when I was still in school, had I known they'd be scarce in the 'real world' that I was warned so much about. Now I have to somehow find a way to carefully create a social life, appropriately, at some stupid, planned social event or whatever. Then, I can finally escape from the lonely depths of aspie-hell, in a society that wants me to drop dead for being a stranger until I prove my worth. It's kinda hard to look at humans the same way now. I don't even feel like going outside or talking to someone ever again. Thank you for the dose of reality, everyone. Bye.



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02 Jan 2017, 10:54 pm

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Did you just describe your idea date as "easy and simple-minded" as well as "desperate?"

These are really negative words. Basically, you're asking for her to be sexual with you right away (easy), stupid (simple-minded) and not attractive to other people (desperate.) Nobody likes being called these things.

Women like men who respect them. They really do. They want to feel safe around you. They don't want to feel like they are a looser if they date you. Make them feel respected and liked. Get to know them first. You will have a much easier time getting a date that way.

You really would be surprised how far you can get by convincing a girl that you really do think she's wonderful. Of course, you have to get to know her enough to find out what is sincerely wonderful about her first. You can't just compliment her sweater and expect that to work.
No, you misunderstood "easy", "simple-minded", and "desperate". I never said I wanted a hook-up. All I want is a instant-girlfriend. You know, we meet and do non-sexual, romantic, gf/bf stuff. Why isn't this a thing? I mean come on, people like to have sex with random strangers through hook-up sites, and that's far more risky than just arranging to shoot the breeze with a stranger while grabbing a bite to eat, or a simple walk through the burbs. I mean dang, society, get a grip... And I still find it hard to believe that there aren't any crazy girls who want a instant-boyfriend. They're out there. They gotta be. I need one right now ASAP.



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03 Jan 2017, 5:31 am

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"Where did you get that idea that asking a stranger is the way to meet women?" I've seen other guys doing it on YouTube, and it works.


You can't seriously be this oblivious. Of course they work - because they're frickin' STAGED. A YouTube video of a guy asking a girl he's "never met before" (notice the quotation marks) out and succeeding in doing so doesn't translate to a real-life scenario.


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Do you live on the bloody Moon or what? People ask out strangers all the time. It happens often and it's not sexual harassment.
Surely there's also a way things must be done.


You must not have been paying attention to this thread because he says approaching some strange woman and asking her out is not working for him.

Sure, it works in the movies. And sure, it may work if you're a super flashy hot guy. But probably not so much if you're an autistic unemployed 20 year old.

You need to be realistic about your own level of attractiveness and dating market value. And if cold approaches have not been working, why on earth would you keep doing it??

Are you sure you are a NT? :lmao:
It might not work for him for reasons, but people do it.
A dumbass friend of my brother just did it at an Halloween party and he got a number (and then lost it LOL). But there's a way, you don't just walk to a woman and ask her number, you need to break the ice a little first.



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03 Jan 2017, 5:46 am

Luhluhluh wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
Sabreclaw wrote:
AspieGuy96 wrote:
Sabreclaw wrote:
Luhluhluh wrote:
...you won't get a date by just asking some stranger out on a date. It doesn't work that way. And where did you get the idea that it did?


Probably from all the dumbass men on this sub-forum who keep insisting people should just ask out total strangers in public places.


Why the hell not? Society loves to judge guilty until proven innocent. But if we lived in a perfect world, then asking out "strangers" would be normal and 'stranger danger' wouldn't freaking exist.


It's not about "stranger danger", it's about people not wanting to be sexually harassed by some ugly stranger when they're just trying to mind their own business.

Do you live on the bloody Moon or what? People ask out strangers all the time. It happens often and it's not sexual harassment.
Surely there's also a way things must be done.


... and posing another question directly to Peacesells - what is your current relationship status and how many cold approaches have resulted in a successful relationship for you?

I don't approach strangers and I don't use cold approaches, besides I'd have no idea how to do it and I am far too shy for it.



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03 Jan 2017, 6:36 am

Peacesells wrote:
Sabreclaw wrote:
AspieGuy96 wrote:
Sabreclaw wrote:
Luhluhluh wrote:
...you won't get a date by just asking some stranger out on a date. It doesn't work that way. And where did you get the idea that it did?


Probably from all the dumbass men on this sub-forum who keep insisting people should just ask out total strangers in public places.


Why the hell not? Society loves to judge guilty until proven innocent. But if we lived in a perfect world, then asking out "strangers" would be normal and 'stranger danger' wouldn't freaking exist.


It's not about "stranger danger", it's about people not wanting to be sexually harassed by some ugly stranger when they're just trying to mind their own business.

Do you live on the bloody Moon or what? People ask out strangers all the time. It happens often and it's not sexual harassment.
Surely there's also a way things must be done.


^ Right. That's what I'm trying to tell these people. Let me make myself clear: I may be a unemployed 20 year old dude with mild AS, but you guys only know that because it's wrongplanet.net, my username is Aspieguy96, and somebody demanded to know about my employment status. From MY experience, girls normally don't care about status, and they've never even heard of Asperger's. They just think that I'm a "cute, shy, strong silent type".

Remember when I said approaching strangers works 1/10? That's how I met my first girlfriend back in 2011 at high school. She's into me, we talk and she's the only open-minded girl I know who lets me be myself. As a matter of fact, some girls that I don't know have approached ME before, handing me THEIR number, and expecting ME to call THEM when I wasn't even interested! Fancy that, huh? I swear to God. Girls talk to strangers too if they're in the mood. It's not as crazy as some people might think.

For the record, I've had jobs before, but was too lazy to keep them because I have no responsibilities, no mouths to feed, no bills to pay. I just did it for the quick cash to buy cool clothes. But I've matured a little, and even though I'm not eager to find work, and have no reason to, I do occasionally fill out job applications at department stores so I can make money, get a car, and eventually get my own place and pay the bills so my parents can stop bugging me, not that it's anyone's business.

Some people understand asking out strangers, while others are wary and feel differently. Some get it, some don't. Everyone is a critic. That's fine. That's totally cool. Just know that it works sometimes for ordinary people, even if they have mild AS. It all depends on the individual person. However, I believe the best way for me to go about getting a gf is through a job, because it would allow us time to become friends, subtly flirt, and build a relationship, as this method has also worked for me before many times. I feel it's my niche. That's all I have to say. Thanks for the wake up call, society.



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