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31 Jan 2017, 8:04 pm

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I'm surprised to be reading this because in my area its mostly the working class who get married young. I'm one of the few working class in my area breaking that mold


Mine too. Come to the Midwest, it's the working class who gets married youngest and has the most kids.


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31 Jan 2017, 9:00 pm

I'm surprised working class people can afford to raise kids. They say it costs about $250,000 per child.


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01 Feb 2017, 2:48 am

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I'm surprised working class people can afford to raise kids. They say it costs about $250,000 per child.

You don't care about spending the money that you don't have. I think that's one reason and the other is unplanned pregnancies.



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01 Feb 2017, 2:57 am

Luhluhluh wrote:
Alliekit wrote:

I'm surprised to be reading this because in my area its mostly the working class who get married young. I'm one of the few working class in my area breaking that mold


Mine too. Come to the Midwest, it's the working class who gets married youngest and has the most kids.


They get married the youngest, but very rarely do they stay together, divorce rates are sky high for the working class, atleast here in scandinavia.



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01 Feb 2017, 6:46 am

What exactly do you guys mean by 'working class'.

Laborors? Blue collar?

Personally I just say lower class, middle, upper, lower middle, upper middle class, etc. Based on income and job type (there is a correlation between labor jobs and lower incomes though there are some exceptions such as mining, but even that is less hands on nowadays).

As one with a lower middle class family
with much of both parents side being under the Australian poverty line, I can attest to the fact 'poor' people still pair up with someone like them.

That's my problem though - I'm not like most of my family.

They mostly consist of bogans (Aussie rednecks) low life's (poverty, criminality, drug dealing, drug addiction, general low class behavior, etc.) So 90% of girls my age I meet through family are young bogan-like mother's with the abusive scumbag ex nowhere in sight, a fugitive, both, in prison, or she's still dating a guy who can only be described as a 'scumbag'.

Some are just top broken by their backgrounds, I came out of the other side and still have some fight left in me to deal with the awful parts of this family abd to improve my life that they lost long ago.

A very small amount of rare gems are like me, the girls with poor families, or abusive families, or The orphans who were bullied through childhood, the ones who went through foster care due to abusive parents, etc. Who still take care of themselves well and work hard in life, otherwise they are a very tiny monority and ive only met two. Ever, one being my own mother.

I don't mean to sound like I have high standards myself or I'm a 'snob', all I ask in a girl is we are compatible, like each other, and she actually f*cken takes care of herself, not a self harmer, not a drug or alcohol addict, isn't overweight, showers daily (there are family friends who actually don't and they look absolutely grubby and disgusting imo) instead of being a chubby greasy drug addict smoker with old and wrinkled skin at the ripe old age of 20. I simply cannot accept that.

I eat well, sleep well, exercise, am a healthy weight, have great hygiene, drink alcohol like 6 nights a year, non smoker and never so much as tried an illegal drug.



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01 Feb 2017, 7:30 am

In my area the working class indeed get married the youngest, mostly because they do semi-arranged marriages.

I dunno if it's the case everywhere.



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01 Feb 2017, 7:37 am

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They get married the youngest, but very rarely do they stay together, divorce rates are sky high for the working class, atleast here in scandinavia.


Same here. Divorce rates for the working class (and by that I mean high school education or less) are high, along with rates of drug abuse and alcoholism. Even though they can't afford to have kids that does not stop them. They have them anyway because the idea they tell themselves is that "the money will come from somewhere - god will provide."


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01 Feb 2017, 7:59 am

Some moreso have different values, they believe they can care for a child through hardwork, teaching them good morals and human kindness rather than defining ability by the dollar.

This is noble, but not smart in real world application.

Either way, my parents likely spend much less on themselves than the average family, what few income comes through selflessly goes toward providing the best life for me and the siblings.

Keep in mind Australia has a much better welfare system, where if you are a parent of children under 16 you get some money for each of them and even the unemployed are paid fortnightly, but must prove they are looking for work. A minority exploit this. Unemployed are derogatorily referred to as dole bludgers and considered 'lazy' but only complete idiots would actually want to remain on such a low, barely survivable payment with intense pressure from social security to find a job. An 18 year old single person simply could not live alone, or even with a buddy if they're both on youth allowance (young persons dole = less money, like $150 a fortnight).

My step dad does have an actual job though.

That or it really is the complete idiots who are abusive or drug addicts etc. Who literally just pop out kids for the sake of it. These are the irresponsible ones wholl create broken kids from broken homes.

Many poor families are large, despite the fact this is financially draining it can also mean more potential income depending on how many work.

I'd also be willing to bet many poorer families are on average more willing to allow adult children to still live at home. This has benefits as well as its own setbacks.



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01 Feb 2017, 1:47 pm

Outrider wrote:
Some moreso have different values, they believe they can care for a child through hardwork, teaching them good morals and human kindness rather than defining ability by the dollar.

This is noble, but not smart in real world application.

Either way, my parents likely spend much less on themselves than the average family, what few income comes through selflessly goes toward providing the best life for me and the siblings.

Keep in mind Australia has a much better welfare system, where if you are a parent of children under 16 you get some money for each of them and even the unemployed are paid fortnightly, but must prove they are looking for work. A minority exploit this. Unemployed are derogatorily referred to as dole bludgers and considered 'lazy' but only complete idiots would actually want to remain on such a low, barely survivable payment with intense pressure from social security to find a job. An 18 year old single person simply could not live alone, or even with a buddy if they're both on youth allowance (young persons dole = less money, like $150 a fortnight).

My step dad does have an actual job though.

That or it really is the complete idiots who are abusive or drug addicts etc. Who literally just pop out kids for the sake of it. These are the irresponsible ones wholl create broken kids from broken homes.

Many poor families are large, despite the fact this is financially draining it can also mean more potential income depending on how many work.

I'd also be willing to bet many poorer families are on average more willing to allow adult children to still live at home.


To answer both your posts I'm talking labourers, factory workers and such. My father started out as a labourer and my mother is a TA.

I actually do believe through hard work you can achieve things. My father is most likely autistic but he always pushed himself and worked harder than the other labourers (his brother was also one). He always took on extra work and hours because he had a wife (who was only a child minder at the time) and 2 kids to feed. He worked his way up the company and now works as a project manager while his brother is still on the lower scale. Hell they went from living on an estate with my nan to getting their own house.

Hard work is what pushed me to achieve my dreams when I felt like all was lost.

Although recently I found myself embarassed when I called my fiances family working class and he informed me that they were sub-working class (which I hadn't heard of). I wonder if it's this new group who have the early marriages and high divorce rates?

My mums always joked that when your working class getting a divorce is too expendsive because you don't get benefits due to the fact your working.



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08 Feb 2017, 3:11 pm

ya, and guys are not supposed to resent this



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08 Feb 2017, 3:15 pm

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ya, and guys are not supposed to resent this

Resent that there is not someone for everyone? I think resentment against the myth of "happily every after" is warranted. But you can only take it so far.
Eventually a person just has to accept that they are a lone wolf. Which I don't think is such a bad thing.



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08 Feb 2017, 3:24 pm

WantToHaveALife wrote:
ya, and guys are not supposed to resent this


But there is a difference between resenting a situation and resenting people.



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08 Feb 2017, 3:50 pm

A man of 65 years old who got married and divorced 3 times and now currently married the 4th time told me that there's no real love, that it's all illusion- and that the truest love only is parent to children and not even vice versa.

How...sad if this is true.



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08 Feb 2017, 3:51 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
A man of 65 years old who got married and divorced 3 times and now currently married the 4th time told me that there's no real love, that it's all illusion- and that the truest love only is parent to children and not even vice versa.

How...sad if this is true.

Of course it's true. It is so sickening to me to watch everyone playing characters as if they were in Shakespeare when reality slips them by.



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08 Feb 2017, 3:54 pm

androbot01 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
A man of 65 years old who got married and divorced 3 times and now currently married the 4th time told me that there's no real love, that it's all illusion- and that the truest love only is parent to children and not even vice versa.

How...sad if this is true.

Of course it's true. It is so sickening to me to watch everyone playing characters as if they were in Shakespeare when reality slips them by.


It was your post that reminded me of his words.



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08 Feb 2017, 4:12 pm

One man and four women is not a statistically significant sample size.


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