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gwenevyn
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27 May 2007, 11:12 am

A couple of you seem rather determined to stereotype, generalize, and malign entire groups of fellow human beings based on limited interactions with tiny sample portions, then attempting to pass your conclusions off as objective and universal social realities.

I like you fine, so don't take this personally... but that kind of assertion is neither reasonable nor edifying.



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27 May 2007, 11:21 am

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A couple of you seem rather determined to stereotype, generalize, and malign entire groups of fellow human beings based on limited interactions with tiny sample portions, then attempting to pass your conclusions off as objective and universal social realities.

it may seem so, but when we talk about women doing something, we only mean those women who are doing that. of course we cannot, under any circumstances, be talking about all women in generally. and these things we were talking here about were reported also by my NT male friends so ... :)



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27 May 2007, 11:22 am

I might have been responsible of some of that last night. Now that my BAC has gone back to zero, I see that. Added the word many, and some other edits, to make it a bit less of a sweeping generalization.



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27 May 2007, 11:29 am

gwenevyn wrote:
A couple of you seem rather determined to stereotype, generalize, and malign entire groups of fellow human beings based on limited interactions with tiny sample portions, then attempting to pass your conclusions off as objective and universal social realities.

I like you fine, so don't take this personally... but that kind of assertion is neither reasonable nor edifying.


Fine fine, if you want to never be wrong then fine. I'm thinking of several words right now, but I'll save them for later.

Sadly it's true, and there's nothing that you can say to make that change...................



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27 May 2007, 11:40 am

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Fine fine, if you want to never be wrong then fine. I'm thinking of several words right now, but I'll save them for later.

Sadly it's true, and there's nothing that you can say to make that change...................


Wow, that was the most well presented argument ever. Seriously. You also have several "meaningful" words in reserve? Now I'm even more impressed. How dare someone disagree with you, the person that is right.....



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27 May 2007, 11:43 am

legrandfromage wrote:
gwenevyn wrote:
A couple of you seem rather determined to stereotype, generalize, and malign entire groups of fellow human beings based on limited interactions with tiny sample portions, then attempting to pass your conclusions off as objective and universal social realities.

I like you fine, so don't take this personally... but that kind of assertion is neither reasonable nor edifying.


Fine fine, if you want to never be wrong then fine. I'm thinking of several words right now, but I'll save them for later.

Sadly it's true, and there's nothing that you can say to make that change...................


are you a virgin ?



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27 May 2007, 11:43 am

As shadexiii was saying, I really think it would be helpful then to phrase things in terms of "some girls", "many women", "some single mothers", etc. That might seem nit-picky and spoil-sportish to some, but I'll explain where I'm coming from. I'm becoming increasigly aware that many young men (not specifically on WP, but in general) are veering toward misogyny based on a handful of bad experiences and a truckload of horror stories from fellow disappointed men. In most cases I've seen, these horror stories are highly emotional and make a lot of unkind assumptions about the "witchy" female star of the story.

As I've said in an earlier post (don't remember if it was in this thread or another), oftentimes the woman is described in very generous terms while the guy thinks she likes him, and then when he is betrayed/dumped/rejected/let down, she becomes "horrible". Obviously in a case like that, the impression that the guy has of the girl's personality is based less on her true character than on whatever neurotransmitters happen to be more active in his brain at the time of description.

Sure, it can be most helpful and cathartic to share painful stories. Yet it's clearly (in my opinion) not good for young men to face a constant barrage of negative generalizations about women during the most impressionable years of their lives (and vice versa of course). Our minds develop in certain ways based on the infomation we process, and if a young man is repeatedly told that women are evil, conniving, ho-bags... this will inevitably have some impact on the way he regards women. I am not pulling this out of the air--these are the fundamentals of neuropsychiatry.

In a forum where people are asking for advice and guidance regarding how to approach the opposite sex, I truly believe we should attempt to help each other grow in healthy directions, aiming for the sharing of hope rather than the perpetuation of a bleak outlook. Granted, not everybody is capable of giving that at every moment. But I think those who are able should do so.

Again, no insult intended whatsoever, so hopefully I have not offended.



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27 May 2007, 11:47 am

shadexiii wrote:
Wow, that was the most well presented argument ever. Seriously. You also have several "meaningful" words in reserve? Now I'm even more impressed. How dare someone disagree with you, the person that is right.....


You keep telling yourself that buddy, and you'll also be on the bus ride to hell.



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27 May 2007, 11:53 am

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As shadexiii was saying, I really think it would be helpful then to phrase things in terms of "some girls", "many women", "some single mothers", etc. That might seem nit-picky and spoil-sportish to some, but I'll explain where I'm coming from. I'm becoming increasigly aware that many young men (not specifically on WP, but in general) are veering toward misogyny based on a handful of bad experiences and a truckload of horror stories from fellow disappointed men. In most cases I've seen, these horror stories are highly emotional and make a lot of unkind assumptions about the "witchy" female star of the story.

As I've said in an earlier post (don't remember if it was in this thread or another), oftentimes the woman is described in very generous terms while the guy thinks she likes him, and then when he is betrayed/dumped/rejected/let down, she becomes "horrible". Obviously in a case like that, the impression that the guy has of the girl's personality is based less on her true character than on whatever neurotransmitters happen to be more active in his brain at the time of description.

Sure, it can be most helpful and cathartic to share painful stories. Yet it's clearly (in my opinion) not good for young men to face a constant barrage of negative generalizations about women during the most impressionable years of their lives (and vice versa of course). Our minds develop in certain ways based on the infomation we process, and if a young man is repeatedly told that women are evil, conniving, ho-bags... this will inevitably have some impact on the way he regards women. I am not pulling this out of the air--these are the fundamentals of neuropsychiatry.

In a forum where people are asking for advice and guidance regarding how to approach the opposite sex, I truly believe we should attempt to help each other grow in healthy directions, aiming for the sharing of hope rather than the perpetuation of a bleak outlook. Granted, not everybody is capable of giving that at every moment. But I think those who are able should do so.

Again, no insult intended whatsoever, so hopefully I have not offended.


So now you supposedly back it up with a bunch of gibberish crap....... if you were actually a teenager, you'd see.



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27 May 2007, 11:53 am

legrandfromage wrote:
shadexiii wrote:
Wow, that was the most well presented argument ever. Seriously. You also have several "meaningful" words in reserve? Now I'm even more impressed. How dare someone disagree with you, the person that is right.....


You keep telling yourself that buddy, and you'll also be on the bus ride to hell.


Sorry, I forgot the :roll: to let you know that was sarcam

As for the "gibberish crap" comment, it isn't gibberish simply because you're incapable of comprehending it.



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27 May 2007, 11:59 am

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As for the "gibberish crap" comment, it isn't gibberish simply because you're incapable of comprehending it.


Oh and your spelling doesn't tell me that your incapable of comprehending anything (LOL SARCASM). Go f**k yourself b***h, then come back and try and make at least a good insult.



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27 May 2007, 12:00 pm

gwenevyn wrote:
Yet it's clearly (in my opinion) not good for young men to face a constant barrage of negative generalizations about women during the most impressionable years of their lives (and vice versa of course).


well there is the media, you know, movies, tv, magazines.
i would not put advice read on internet forums high on the list of negative generalizations.



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27 May 2007, 12:02 pm

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Oh and your spelling doesn't tell me that your incapable of comprehending anything (LOL SARCASM). Go f**k yourself b***h, then come back and try and make at least a good insult.

well, i didn't agree with her, because she was talking only about 'handful' amount of girls, but i would not go so far as telling her such things you do. please, let's not go that direction...



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27 May 2007, 12:02 pm

legrandfromage wrote:
shadexiii wrote:
As for the "gibberish crap" comment, it isn't gibberish simply because you're incapable of comprehending it.


Oh and your spelling doesn't tell me that your incapable of comprehending anything (LOL SARCASM). Go f**k yourself b***h, then come back and try and make at least a good insult.


come back when you have some experience with women before you start giving advice on asperger forums.



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27 May 2007, 12:02 pm

legrandfromage wrote:
Oh and your spelling doesn't tell me that your incapable of comprehending anything (LOL SARCASM). Go f**k yourself b***h, then come back and try and make at least a good insult.


That was a good insult? Maybe back in grade school? Come on, kiddo, are you really going for anything more than a flame war here? Or do you just throw a tantrum when you're called out? Regardless, have your fun, call me a b***h, whatever. You bore me. :wink:



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27 May 2007, 12:04 pm

gwenevyn wrote:
As I've said in an earlier post (don't remember if it was in this thread or another), oftentimes the woman is described in very generous terms while the guy thinks she likes him, and then when he is betrayed/dumped/rejected/let down, she becomes "horrible".


This is the thing, though - I know for a fact that none of the girls I've liked have ever liked me back in anything other than a totally non-sexual way (mostly through bitter experience), so I've had no reason to idealise them. Nor have I been especially vindictive about those women who've turned me down (appearances to the contrary, I've never got angry with anybody except myself).

In fact, I've never had an overwhelmingly vindictive response from any of them, just a sort of faint smile and a generic response of "I'm sorry but [fill in the blank here]." I'm just so very tired of hearing about how wonderful I am, and how I'll be sure to find somebody, when it's quite clear that knowing there are plenty more fish in the sea is utterly useless information to somebody who hasn't got the faintest clue how to use a fishing rod.


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