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Here's fine with me. I like when other people can join in.

okay...
well I never liked the idea of anyone (or anything) telling me what to do
I see God as a more of an angel (if you will) rather then a surpreme ruler you know

that's my view
Jesus-well he was a guy, who wanted to spread a message
that's what I think

'tis my biggest objection with the Bible.
God commands this that and the other,
and, in full knowledge that we shall sin,
punishes us. Can't see why anyone would
WANT to believe in something so horribly
cruel - except as something to challenge
and take down.

I see what you mean
I never saw God as an overlord like that-I see him as more of an angel (as I mentioned) who goes around and helps (some) in need
but that does make a lot of sence

If a god existed, it would be a cat.

if God was anything it'd be a woman (or both)

No one does! But there's an expression that goes, "Tough sh**", which of course refers to what we can't do anything about. And that's what Christians believe about God: He's there, there's no way of getting around Him, so we might as well accept Him. Then, once we accept that fact, we realize that He's not such a bad guy after all.

It's like wanting to cross the street by yourself when you're three years old. Most three-year-olds very much want to do it on their own, their own way. They'll even slap a parent's helping hand away, and try running away from them -- possibly right out into the busy street! But there's a better way. And that way is to let an older family member help you get across safely. But what does the three-year-old think at first? Many scream and holler when their parents refuse to let them do dangerous things, because they want to be totally independent and do everything their own way, even when they don't know crap!




That's what I call the "kindly grandfather" version -- the guy who hands out presents, and then lets you go on your own way. Many laws we have in our countries were meant to be helpful when they were made, and yet they're obviously imperfect. But the principle of good law is: "The law is there for your protection". That's true, but only up to how perfect the law is. Well, God's law is the only one that's perfect. (Makes sense, since He's perfect.) That means that God's law succeeds in being for your protection -- perfectly. We all naturally rebel against having laws forced on us. So, if you live by making your big life decisions based on your emotions, you're going to be making blind decisions like the three-year-old wanting to cross the street alone. So, to be able to break out of that, you have to first realize that there is something greater, and more influential, than emotions. And that is spiritual guidance. Not through any church, or any person, but by God Himself. God's spirit will guide you in your conscience, but He won't spiritually tell you everything He knows that you should know -- because you'd totally overload if He did! That's why He had men write it out.

But you see, you have to want to believe before it's possible to see the truth. "Ask (for understanding), and it shall be given to you, seek, and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened to you." Those who don't ask, don't get. God really takes giving us free will to the max, there; He won't even SHOW us what's what until we want to see it. Now, often, because He is love, He will call someone to faith, spiritually. Jesus: "I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me." You see? He's not going to bust your door down; if you turn Him away, He'll go away.

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Why does God care so much about who I have sex with?
Is she a pervert?

Ragtime - how do you view the OT?
Is it a necessary part to you? It's filled
with what seems pure evil to me.

By "punishes", do you mean before salvation or after salvation? God's punishments are like the pain received from touching a hot stove -- vital warnings to pull back from something inherently dangerous.

God is a cat in Hinduism.

It is inherently dangerous for Kilroy to masturbate?

Let's start with eternal damnation for
violating a rule that he knew was to
be violated.

One which it would seem is only there for
the purpose of being violated - so that he
can damn all humanity for eternity.

Consider it a soft ball.

God is far from perfect!
he's not that nice either-I don't deserve what I get and a lot of people in the world don't either
how is he perfect for say letting the Holocaust happen?
you tell me?
and God's law is far from perfect-there's a lot of bugs in that (and ways to be taken differently)
it's not the best system man has come up with

If you ask Him sincerely, He may very well tell you. He doesn't owe you the answer, but He may tell you.

Do you think I believe that I understand all of God's reasons???? That would be the height of ridiculous for me to claim that! I know what I know, and I trust the rest. (All humans use that same logic device every day.)

Correction: You think you know what you know.
You are claiming to 'know' alsorts of things. Therefore it cannot be THAT absurd for me to assume that you 'know' everything else as well, right?