18 Jul 2017, 4:59 am
Chronos wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chronos wrote:
A gold digger is someone who marries only for money because their priority in life is the material. A woman concerned with finding a financially stable mate who can support a family is not necessarily a gold digger. It's a matter of practicality that a woman who wishes to live a traditionally female role as mother and care giver to her children and husband needs a husband who can fill the traditionally male role of provider for his family, much as it is a matter of practicality for a man who wished to have children to find a woman young enough to reproduce. In most situations, even women who want financially stable men, and men who want young women also place a lot of value in the character of the other person.
At times, gold digging is hidden behind this pretext though
So is wanting a younger woman. When I encountered men my age on dating sites and saw they would not date women our age, and asked why, they would inevitably talk about wanting children. But most men don't want more than 3 children and a woman my age can reasonably give a man 3 children without medical intervention. When I point this out, they cite an increased risk of birth defects such as Down's Syndrome, while it increases with maternal age is low to begin with. At my age, it's still less than 3%. In fact, the odds of other birth defects decrease with maternal age, but the odds of schizophrenia and autism (of all types) increase with paternal age such that sperm banks cap the age of male donors at around the same age as egg banks cap the age of female donors. If a woman just wants money and a man just wants youth, they should just say so, in my opinion.
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
, there's a fine line there..... for instance if for her the money is a lot more important than everything else in the man and would leave him in a tick at the very first financial hurdle, then YES, I consider this woman a subtle type of gold digger too. In real life, not all good diggers are the obvious hollywood type, the subtle ones are way more common.
/anyway enough about GD, let's go back to topic.
/anyway enough about GD, let's go back to topic.
Again the same goes for men who want youth and beauty. In the U.S. men leave wives who become disfigured or ill with a serious, prolonged illness at 6 times the rate that women leave husbands who become disfigured or ill, and women who have been scared or disfigured from breast cancer find that this causes most men to reject them.
It would be nice if these gold diggers and youth/beauty diggers couldn't hide their motives, but unfortunately such is not the nature of the world. But it's nothing to get upset about. I was reading 1001 Arabian Nights recently. The stories date back centuries and are filled with all the relationship and social injustices that we lament about on here today, and I imagine these facets of humanity will continue long after all of us here are gone as well.
I would love to see statistics on how many men and women leave their partners, if they lose their job/money.
But you know what chronos, I completely agree with you. These things will NEVER change, unless we re-engineer the human genome or something. It is what it is.
18 Jul 2017, 5:45 am
kraftiekortie wrote:
Truthfully, I wish sex wasn't seen as being an obligatory part of any relationship.
I would enjoy it, yes. But If I truly love someone, and the person loves me, I just might think that sex is not totally necessary. If I'm in a situation where my lover doesn't desire sex, I could always masturbate.
I would enjoy it, yes. But If I truly love someone, and the person loves me, I just might think that sex is not totally necessary. If I'm in a situation where my lover doesn't desire sex, I could always masturbate.
i was 12 when i started.based on how aroused by the commercial of a movie about tigers & my old stuffed curious george,it's a natural thing.i hope to do the same with a giant-stuffed bear making sweet,sexy jungle love to it with no shirt or shorts on
18 Jul 2017, 6:27 am
18 Jul 2017, 6:42 am
Sometime World wrote:
Yeah, I kind of knew looks all that mattered to women when I left home to live in student dorms at university. I was 19 yet had the baby face and build of a 14yo kid (125lbs at 5'9). I won't even talk about the horrors I faced socializing and trying to fit in, let alone trying to get a date. No woman would even talk to me. It took me until 23 to finally get my head around it why I was abused and met with hostility for no reason at all.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
So zac efron doesn't have money and status?
Women's hypergamous instincts tend to kick between 20 and 30.
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18 Jul 2017, 7:12 am
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Sometime World wrote:
Yeah, I kind of knew looks all that mattered to women when I left home to live in student dorms at university. I was 19 yet had the baby face and build of a 14yo kid (125lbs at 5'9). I won't even talk about the horrors I faced socializing and trying to fit in, let alone trying to get a date. No woman would even talk to me. It took me until 23 to finally get my head around it why I was abused and met with hostility for no reason at all.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
So zac efron doesn't have money and status?
Women's hypergamous instincts tend to kick between 20 and 30.
But he's right, I've never seen women or girls drooling for Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. On the other hand, Westlife, the Twilight guys...
I don't think they get sexually horny over money, it's not like they would masturbate on someone like the old Bill Gates. "Ohhh he's so rich....ahhh".
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18 Jul 2017, 7:14 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Sometime World wrote:
Yeah, I kind of knew looks all that mattered to women when I left home to live in student dorms at university. I was 19 yet had the baby face and build of a 14yo kid (125lbs at 5'9). I won't even talk about the horrors I faced socializing and trying to fit in, let alone trying to get a date. No woman would even talk to me. It took me until 23 to finally get my head around it why I was abused and met with hostility for no reason at all.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
So zac efron doesn't have money and status?
Women's hypergamous instincts tend to kick between 20 and 30.
But he's right, I've never seen women or girls drooling for Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. Westlife on the other hand....
It's not a valid comparison. Westlife have money and status aswell.
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18 Jul 2017, 7:20 am
Closet Genious wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Sometime World wrote:
Yeah, I kind of knew looks all that mattered to women when I left home to live in student dorms at university. I was 19 yet had the baby face and build of a 14yo kid (125lbs at 5'9). I won't even talk about the horrors I faced socializing and trying to fit in, let alone trying to get a date. No woman would even talk to me. It took me until 23 to finally get my head around it why I was abused and met with hostility for no reason at all.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
So zac efron doesn't have money and status?
Women's hypergamous instincts tend to kick between 20 and 30.
But he's right, I've never seen women or girls drooling for Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. Westlife on the other hand....
It's not a valid comparison. Westlife have money and status aswell.
They both have the status and money, but the key difference here is the looks; Weslife guys have the looks while Bill and Mark don't, that's why Westlife were literally a sexual fantasy for many girls back then while Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg weren't.
18 Jul 2017, 7:22 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Sometime World wrote:
Yeah, I kind of knew looks all that mattered to women when I left home to live in student dorms at university. I was 19 yet had the baby face and build of a 14yo kid (125lbs at 5'9). I won't even talk about the horrors I faced socializing and trying to fit in, let alone trying to get a date. No woman would even talk to me. It took me until 23 to finally get my head around it why I was abused and met with hostility for no reason at all.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
So zac efron doesn't have money and status?
Women's hypergamous instincts tend to kick between 20 and 30.
But he's right, I've never seen women or girls drooling for Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. Westlife on the other hand....
It's not a valid comparison. Westlife have money and status aswell.
They both have the status and money, but the key difference here is the looks; Weslife guys have the looks while Bill and Mark don't, that's why Westlife were literally a sexual fantasy for many girls back then while Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg weren't.
I agree. But if the westlife guys were just regular guys with regular jobs, I doubt women would be all that excited about them.
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18 Jul 2017, 7:27 am
Closet Genious wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Sometime World wrote:
Yeah, I kind of knew looks all that mattered to women when I left home to live in student dorms at university. I was 19 yet had the baby face and build of a 14yo kid (125lbs at 5'9). I won't even talk about the horrors I faced socializing and trying to fit in, let alone trying to get a date. No woman would even talk to me. It took me until 23 to finally get my head around it why I was abused and met with hostility for no reason at all.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
So zac efron doesn't have money and status?
Women's hypergamous instincts tend to kick between 20 and 30.
But he's right, I've never seen women or girls drooling for Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. Westlife on the other hand....
It's not a valid comparison. Westlife have money and status aswell.
They both have the status and money, but the key difference here is the looks; Weslife guys have the looks while Bill and Mark don't, that's why Westlife were literally a sexual fantasy for many girls back then while Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg weren't.
I agree. But if the westlife guys were just regular guys with regular jobs, I doubt women would be all that excited about them.
Don't you remember how girls glued to the handsomest boys at school?
Umm...how about that: The gyms. Don't you ever notice how there are always girls (often the same girls everyday) who float around the same male instructors? They get befriended by female members way more than the female instructors for instance.
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18 Jul 2017, 7:38 am
18 Jul 2017, 7:54 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Sometime World wrote:
Yeah, I kind of knew looks all that mattered to women when I left home to live in student dorms at university. I was 19 yet had the baby face and build of a 14yo kid (125lbs at 5'9). I won't even talk about the horrors I faced socializing and trying to fit in, let alone trying to get a date. No woman would even talk to me. It took me until 23 to finally get my head around it why I was abused and met with hostility for no reason at all.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
Probably the biggest kicker for guys is that its way harder for us to be considered physically attractive looking. Women show less variety than men.
I mean, guys find a whole host of girls attractive or "doable", be it thin girls, skinny girls, chubby girls, BBW girls, short girls, tall girls, blondes, redheads, brunettes, raven heads, small butts, big butts, small boobs, big boobs, long hair, short hair, strong jaws, weak jaws, muscular women, undeveloped child-sized women, ethnic, nerds, braces, cougar, emo girls etc etc. No woman's "look" go's undesired... except maybe the very morbidly obese or ageing woman past menopause.
Bill Gates? Most women don't like that type of geek or nerd look. If money & status were the most important and attractive thing to women, there would be posters of Mark Zuckerberg adorning teenage girls bedroom walls across the land. Nope. They have Zac f**icking Effron or Zane Malik... whatever his name is.
Now the female version of Bill Gates - a thin geeky woman with glasses - she won't be short of suitors. There's even printed porn magazines dedicated to skinny, short geeky women with braces and glasses.
Sarah Jessica Parker? - somewhat of a unattractive horse-faced woman (to me) yet she has a huge male fan base (probably because she's thin). And she played the lead 'alpha'/desirable female in a sitcom.
Now a male with a unattractive horseface - very lonely guy struggling to even get a date. Not considered a genetic Alpha. His actions around women become suspect. He becomes a 'creep' just for being himself.
So zac efron doesn't have money and status?
Women's hypergamous instincts tend to kick between 20 and 30.
But he's right, I've never seen women or girls drooling for Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. Westlife on the other hand....
It's not a valid comparison. Westlife have money and status aswell.
They both have the status and money, but the key difference here is the looks; Weslife guys have the looks while Bill and Mark don't, that's why Westlife were literally a sexual fantasy for many girls back then while Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg weren't.
I agree. But if the westlife guys were just regular guys with regular jobs, I doubt women would be all that excited about them.
Don't you remember how girls glued to the handsomest boys at school?
Umm...how about that: The gyms. Don't you ever notice how there are always girls (often the same girls everyday) who float around the same male instructors? They get befriended by female members way more than the female instructors for instance.
Those guys usually have alot of social status aswell.
Without trying to sound pretentious, I am a fairly attractive guy, I have muscles and a six pack and I dress well. Women don't swoon over me, wanna know why? Because I am akward, and I lack money and social status.
I am not saying looks doesn't matter, but money and status certainly matter aswell.
18 Jul 2017, 8:45 am
18 Jul 2017, 9:14 am
18 Jul 2017, 2:57 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't have muscles. I don't dress that great. I don't have a six-pack. I'm 5 foot 4 3/4, and weigh 180 lbs. I'm awkward, and I meow and growl in the streets. I also have gray hair, and look sort of old.
The only time when women have ever shown disdain for me was when I gave out a "desperate" vibe in my early 20s.
Women don't mind it if I flirt with them a little.
The only time when women have ever shown disdain for me was when I gave out a "desperate" vibe in my early 20s.
Women don't mind it if I flirt with them a little.
We can't all be casanovas like you kraftie.
18 Jul 2017, 10:23 pm
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chronos wrote:
A gold digger is someone who marries only for money because their priority in life is the material. A woman concerned with finding a financially stable mate who can support a family is not necessarily a gold digger. It's a matter of practicality that a woman who wishes to live a traditionally female role as mother and care giver to her children and husband needs a husband who can fill the traditionally male role of provider for his family, much as it is a matter of practicality for a man who wished to have children to find a woman young enough to reproduce. In most situations, even women who want financially stable men, and men who want young women also place a lot of value in the character of the other person.
At times, gold digging is hidden behind this pretext though
So is wanting a younger woman. When I encountered men my age on dating sites and saw they would not date women our age, and asked why, they would inevitably talk about wanting children. But most men don't want more than 3 children and a woman my age can reasonably give a man 3 children without medical intervention. When I point this out, they cite an increased risk of birth defects such as Down's Syndrome, while it increases with maternal age is low to begin with. At my age, it's still less than 3%. In fact, the odds of other birth defects decrease with maternal age, but the odds of schizophrenia and autism (of all types) increase with paternal age such that sperm banks cap the age of male donors at around the same age as egg banks cap the age of female donors. If a woman just wants money and a man just wants youth, they should just say so, in my opinion.
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
, there's a fine line there..... for instance if for her the money is a lot more important than everything else in the man and would leave him in a tick at the very first financial hurdle, then YES, I consider this woman a subtle type of gold digger too. In real life, not all good diggers are the obvious hollywood type, the subtle ones are way more common.
/anyway enough about GD, let's go back to topic.
/anyway enough about GD, let's go back to topic.
Again the same goes for men who want youth and beauty. In the U.S. men leave wives who become disfigured or ill with a serious, prolonged illness at 6 times the rate that women leave husbands who become disfigured or ill, and women who have been scared or disfigured from breast cancer find that this causes most men to reject them.
It would be nice if these gold diggers and youth/beauty diggers couldn't hide their motives, but unfortunately such is not the nature of the world. But it's nothing to get upset about. I was reading 1001 Arabian Nights recently. The stories date back centuries and are filled with all the relationship and social injustices that we lament about on here today, and I imagine these facets of humanity will continue long after all of us here are gone as well.
I would love to see statistics on how many men and women leave their partners, if they lose their job/money.
But you know what chronos, I completely agree with you. These things will NEVER change, unless we re-engineer the human genome or something. It is what it is.
When a man becomes unemployed the chance of divorce increases, and this is not mirrored when a woman becomes unemployed. I do not know the exact rate though. Also, I suspect that many of the divorces that occur when a man becomes unemployed might be due in part to his response to this rather than the actual economic hardship. Over the years I've encountered gripes from wives of unemployed men and their complaints didn't revolve around the fact that he was no longer bringing in money but rather they complained that their husbands sit on the couch all day watching TV and playing video games and no longer bother looking for a job. No doubt the men are depressed and discouraged, and often when men feel they can no longer support their family, they push their family away because they think their family would be better off without them.
Also, I would add, the men who leave ill wives, it's not merely a case of the woman losing her looks. The men are more often running from a situation they can't fix and don't know how to cope with.
19 Jul 2017, 12:42 am
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