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24 Jul 2017, 2:20 pm

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Really glad chronos brought up biology. It is by far the biggest factor, in EVERYTHING we humans do. EVERYTHING boils down to reproduction.
I think once people stop using disney movies as source material for mating works, and start understanding our biological and psychological nature, they will probably be more succesful.


Biologically, humans are the most socially complex species on the planet.

Cherry-picking which aspects of biology you want to pay attention to won't help your mating game.

Reducing all human behavior to simplistic expectations of "biology" is extremely silly.


Using biology and evolution to explain and predict behaviors in all other animal species on earth(which has proven to be quite reliable), and then completely dismissing it when it comes to humans, because we are "socially complex" is extremely silly. That we are "socially complex" only means there are more layers to it, but ultimately, the majority of our layers are still driven by our instincts. No matter how complex, our behaviors are often completely predictable.



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24 Jul 2017, 2:27 pm

Closet Genious wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
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Really glad chronos brought up biology. It is by far the biggest factor, in EVERYTHING we humans do. EVERYTHING boils down to reproduction.
I think once people stop using disney movies as source material for mating works, and start understanding our biological and psychological nature, they will probably be more succesful.


Biologically, humans are the most socially complex species on the planet.

Cherry-picking which aspects of biology you want to pay attention to won't help your mating game.

Reducing all human behavior to simplistic expectations of "biology" is extremely silly.


Using biology and evolution to explain and predict behaviors in all other animal species on earth(which has proven to be quite reliable), and then completely dismissing it when it comes to humans, because we are "socially complex" is extremely silly. That we are "socially complex" only means there are more layers to it, but ultimately, the majority of our layers are still driven by our instincts. No matter how complex, our behaviors are often completely predictable.


All we are is fairly advanced primates, that is except for kraftiekortie. He is the wolfman after all.


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24 Jul 2017, 2:31 pm

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It doesn't matter how much we talk about biology it doesn't change the fact that the op's friend is wrong. It's not easier for women to find a stable relationship ugly or not.

What's your evidence for this?


The many single women I know.



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24 Jul 2017, 2:36 pm

Closet Genious wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
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Really glad chronos brought up biology. It is by far the biggest factor, in EVERYTHING we humans do. EVERYTHING boils down to reproduction.
I think once people stop using disney movies as source material for mating works, and start understanding our biological and psychological nature, they will probably be more succesful.


Biologically, humans are the most socially complex species on the planet.

Cherry-picking which aspects of biology you want to pay attention to won't help your mating game.

Reducing all human behavior to simplistic expectations of "biology" is extremely silly.


Using biology and evolution to explain and predict behaviors in all other animal species on earth(which has proven to be quite reliable), and then completely dismissing it when it comes to humans, because we are "socially complex" is extremely silly. That we are "socially complex" only means there are more layers to it, but ultimately, the majority of our layers are still driven by our instincts. No matter how complex, our behaviors are often completely predictable.


People with no social skills making assumptions they pretend is based on science isn't fact. It's people who don't really understand people trying to make sense of a world that makes no sense to them and in which they can't fully participate.

Whittling everything down to a few blunt cold "facts" may comfort you. It may make you feel superior to all the people enjoying their lives, but it doesn't make you correct.

You won't find normal people in normal relationships making this crap up.



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24 Jul 2017, 3:03 pm

hurtloam wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Really glad chronos brought up biology. It is by far the biggest factor, in EVERYTHING we humans do. EVERYTHING boils down to reproduction.
I think once people stop using disney movies as source material for mating works, and start understanding our biological and psychological nature, they will probably be more succesful.


Biologically, humans are the most socially complex species on the planet.

Cherry-picking which aspects of biology you want to pay attention to won't help your mating game.

Reducing all human behavior to simplistic expectations of "biology" is extremely silly.


Using biology and evolution to explain and predict behaviors in all other animal species on earth(which has proven to be quite reliable), and then completely dismissing it when it comes to humans, because we are "socially complex" is extremely silly. That we are "socially complex" only means there are more layers to it, but ultimately, the majority of our layers are still driven by our instincts. No matter how complex, our behaviors are often completely predictable.


People with no social skills making assumptions they pretend is based on science isn't fact. It's people who don't really understand people trying to make sense of a world that makes no sense to them and in which they can't fully participate.

Whittling everything down to a few blunt cold "facts" may comfort you. It may make you feel superior to all the people enjoying their lives, but it doesn't make you correct.

You won't find normal people in normal relationships making this crap up.


In an attempt to tell me that no one can predict human behavior, you are assuming an awful lot hurtloam, both about scientists and about me. You are also projecting quite a bit, I think you are the one trying to feel superior here.



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24 Jul 2017, 3:06 pm

Ah there's nothing more certain on a forum than people trying to put their superior view over :wink:



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24 Jul 2017, 3:13 pm

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Ah there's nothing more certain on a forum than people trying to put their superior view over :wink:


Exactly. :wink:



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24 Jul 2017, 3:15 pm

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Ah there's nothing more certain on a forum than people trying to put their superior view over :wink:


Exactly. :wink:


Stalemate.



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24 Jul 2017, 3:18 pm

hurtloam wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Really glad chronos brought up biology. It is by far the biggest factor, in EVERYTHING we humans do. EVERYTHING boils down to reproduction.
I think once people stop using disney movies as source material for mating works, and start understanding our biological and psychological nature, they will probably be more succesful.


Biologically, humans are the most socially complex species on the planet.

Cherry-picking which aspects of biology you want to pay attention to won't help your mating game.

Reducing all human behavior to simplistic expectations of "biology" is extremely silly.


Using biology and evolution to explain and predict behaviors in all other animal species on earth(which has proven to be quite reliable), and then completely dismissing it when it comes to humans, because we are "socially complex" is extremely silly. That we are "socially complex" only means there are more layers to it, but ultimately, the majority of our layers are still driven by our instincts. No matter how complex, our behaviors are often completely predictable.


People with no social skills making assumptions they pretend is based on science isn't fact. It's people who don't really understand people trying to make sense of a world that makes no sense to them and in which they can't fully participate.

Whittling everything down to a few blunt cold "facts" may comfort you. It may make you feel superior to all the people enjoying their lives, but it doesn't make you correct.

You won't find normal people in normal relationships making this crap up.


I am quite happy not being a normal person in a normal relationship because that sounds quite boring if you ask me. I would rather talk to you and all the other lovely people here that found the right planet. Dismiss what I have to say if it makes you feel better. I won't mind, it's not the first nor the last time I will be dismissed.


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24 Jul 2017, 3:31 pm

But you guys are dismissing the evidence of all the single women out there.

Fat, Thin, tall, short, autistic, NT, in various countries, with various occupations.

No one is interested in them. They're not rejecting any advances at all.



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24 Jul 2017, 3:39 pm

hurtloam wrote:
Chichikov wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
It doesn't matter how much we talk about biology it doesn't change the fact that the op's friend is wrong. It's not easier for women to find a stable relationship ugly or not.

What's your evidence for this?


The many single women I know.

I don't know any single women, so either I'm right and you're wrong, or anecdotal evidence isn't proof. Which is it?



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24 Jul 2017, 4:05 pm

Chichikov wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
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hurtloam wrote:
It doesn't matter how much we talk about biology it doesn't change the fact that the op's friend is wrong. It's not easier for women to find a stable relationship ugly or not.

What's your evidence for this?


The many single women I know.

I don't know any single women, so either I'm right and you're wrong, or anecdotal evidence isn't proof. Which is it?


You're obviously wrong because you don't know any single women and you are therefore making assumptions about them rather than listening to their actual experiences.



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24 Jul 2017, 4:10 pm

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You're obviously wrong because you don't know any single women and you are therefore making assumptions about them rather than listening to their actual experiences.

What assumptions am I making?



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24 Jul 2017, 4:25 pm

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You're obviously wrong because you don't know any single women and you are therefore making assumptions about them rather than listening to their actual experiences.

What assumptions am I making?


Hang on a minute. You haven't actually written a response to the OP's question...

What do you think you're right about?



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24 Jul 2017, 4:28 pm

hurtloam wrote:
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You're obviously wrong because you don't know any single women and you are therefore making assumptions about them rather than listening to their actual experiences.

What assumptions am I making?


Hang on a minute. You haven't actually written a response to the OP's question...

What do you think you're right about?

That my counter argument to your anecdotal evidence is a valid one.



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24 Jul 2017, 4:49 pm

Closet Genious wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
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Really glad chronos brought up biology. It is by far the biggest factor, in EVERYTHING we humans do. EVERYTHING boils down to reproduction.
I think once people stop using disney movies as source material for mating works, and start understanding our biological and psychological nature, they will probably be more succesful.


Biologically, humans are the most socially complex species on the planet.

Cherry-picking which aspects of biology you want to pay attention to won't help your mating game.

Reducing all human behavior to simplistic expectations of "biology" is extremely silly.


Using biology and evolution to explain and predict behaviors in all other animal species on earth(which has proven to be quite reliable), and then completely dismissing it when it comes to humans, because we are "socially complex" is extremely silly. That we are "socially complex" only means there are more layers to it, but ultimately, the majority of our layers are still driven by our instincts. No matter how complex, our behaviors are often completely predictable.


Actually, they're not.

Evolutionary biologist have already admitted that there's no mathematical equation that can predict which male will end-up with which female. If human nature is so well-defined, I wonder why scientists haven't yet presented us with the best, most effective political system that will yield a perfect economy and a overall positive net happiness yield for the population.

Identifiable human "instincts (meaning they're present from infancy and can be reliably predicted in later life)" are extremely few and far between. Sorry, but ranting about "biology" does not predict the behavior of individual humans.

Primates are a special interest of mine. I can tell you that their mating habits are not nearly as simple as you think they are. It's precisely because of "biology" that I know not all women are gold-diggers.


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