You think it's hard to be a man TODAY?
I think you don't understand it on purpose. By the way it wasn't forbidden in the Old Testament but basically every instance of polygamy in it ends up badly. I think polygamy will be restored in the West soon, give it 50 years and you'll see.
Check on 0:43, this guy is a Rabbi:
Why should I watch this? What is that supposed to teach me?
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A “mild polygyny.” Definitely, in some societies.
It’s not common today tho nor socially accepted, recent studies show that only 1% of muslim marriages are polygamous - especially in countries that were originally Christian in the far past like Syria and Egypt. personally I only knew one Muslim with two wives in my entire life; and the brothers of the first wife forced him to divorce her. And i live in a Muslim area.
It is mostly common in Saudi Arabia.
Polygyny is allowed in Judaism too. And Islam is nothing but an offshoot of a Messianic Judaism.
I don’t understand why Muslims are always the first example every time polygyny is brought up.... guys: Polygyny IS allowed in the Old testatement.
Because the old testament is about the past but Muslims exist in the present day.
According to my girlfriend, it also happens in China. From Wikipedia
Polygyny was very common in old Asian dynasties , a South korean girl once told me 'marriage was a privilege to only few elite men in ancient korea'.
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I think you don't understand it on purpose. By the way it wasn't forbidden in the Old Testament but basically every instance of polygamy in it ends up badly. I think polygamy will be restored in the West soon, give it 50 years and you'll see.
Check on 0:43, this guy is a Rabbi:
Why should I watch this? What is that supposed to teach me?
Just want similarity#2 on 0:43, he's saying Polygamy (as similarity between Islam and Judaism) , he says it's allowed from Torah perspective even though not much recommended by rabbis, also he added that unlike Islam there's no limitation of max wives in Judaism.
It will also teach you that Islam is a form of Judaism lol.
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You were implying that the bad instances ending baldy is a kind of bad omen that believers should learn from, this rabbi apparently doesn't agree with you.
Don't forget that most Jews got westernized over the years, there's certainly a Christian influence on them.
Even the Muslims in the Levant and Egypt still have notable remnant Christian traditions, probably passed down from their christian forefathers.
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Man, human history is full of s**t.
5000 wives.....I wonder if he loved them all
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You were implying that the bad instances ending baldy is a kind of bad omen that believers should learn from, this rabbi apparently doesn't agree with you.
I presented a fact that is present in the Bible, whether or not a guy with a funny hat thinks that we can learn from it doesn't really concern me. You may also add that he has no religious authority over me.
Even the Muslims in the Levant and Egypt still have notable remnant Christian traditions, probably passed down from their christian forefathers.
So you answer your own question, Muslims are the first to come to mind when we talk about polygamy because the others almost completely stopped practicing it long ago.
In Israel it is nowadays banned, even though some still practice it (mostly Arabs and some Jews).
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From wikiislam:
“World Population shows a surplus of men[edit]
Here's a breakdown of the world population according to CIA Statistics
World Population age group 15-64 years: 65.2% (male 2,152,066,888/female 2,100,334,722)[11]
This means there are 51,732,100 extra males in the world at marriageable age. Even the worst war in history did not kill off enough males to make polygamy justified. In WW2, 24 million "military" died, leaving still another 26 million spare men.[12]
GENERAL POPULATION: women and men casualties: 1,986,370,000 (probably mostly women)
Military casualties: 24,456,700
Allah creates more males than females[edit]
The ratio of births is 105 males to 100 females. So, if Allah intends the polygamous marriages for war, then why is Allah putting so many extra males in the world that even the worst war in history didn't unbalance the other way?”
We have now reached the outer limits of my ability to talk about this stuff. Genetic anthropology and archaeology are way beyond my ken. I tried to read one of the articles linked to the history.com article, and found too many concepts and words that were new to me.
It's the poorest understood aspect of human history to be honest. No other species has moved from nomadic to stationary, so there's not fossil evidence of other species that could help either. You are correct on the leading theory though. It goes like this: nomadic humans are just like nomadic animals, they followed game trails as the seasons change. The men would hunt for animals and the women would collect fruits and vegetables as the group progressed through it's game trail. Eventually someone noticed that the seeds they spit out from the plants grew the exact same plant in that location a year later on their next migration. A light bulb turns on, and the tribe realizes they no longer have to make the arduous journey year in and year out, they can plant the seeds and live in a single location all year round. If this theory is indeed correct, it means several things: the person that figured it out was an Einstein level intellect for that developmental phase of human (highly probable it was a female too since they were in charge of plant gathering), second that would be the point humans started looking in 3 + 1 dimensions (the standard three x,y,z dimensions we're all familiar with, the + 1 represents time, the unique attribute said discoverer noticed).
After agriculture comes civilization, now that humans are stationary they need to protect the agriculture from other animals as well as other nomadic humans, so they erect structures such as huts, walls, and develop weapons. The article you linked doesn't mention it, but 7,000 years ago coincides with the earliest archeological evidence we have of civilization. Due to that I propose this theory: when human tribes that were still nomadic ran across a civilized group of humans, the civilized group stole the women (not necessarily killing the men, or enslaving them, just stealing) and hid behind their walls and weapons, forcing the nomadic group on their path without the females. I propose this because integration into a community is hard work: the new members need to learn the customs of the tribe, a new language, and at that point they needed to be taught about agriculture and tool making since they were the key to early civilization. Warring with the remaining nomadic males would decline the population of the civilized ones and there wasn't much room for margin of error as far as human labor was concerned (early agriculture was harder work than it was even during Egyptian times some 1000-2000 years later, and the yield on crops was extremely low compared to today's standards). Likewise, gaining slaves means you need to feed slaves on top of overseeing them, and the efficiency just wasn't there at that point to have a group of non-producers (overseerers).
One interesting tidbit that's closely related to the advent of transitioning from hunter-gatherer to civilization: hunter-gatherers are commonly thought to have spent 2-4 hours a day hunting/gathering on average, whereas early civilized humans were thought to have worked 7-10 hour days farming, building, etc. That's a tough sell, and no doubt there was violence over division of labor since people were working 3x as much as they were used to.
Is any of this transition reflecoted in ancient mythology?
Yes, Gilgamesh.... in the poem ALL the women of his kingdom were having sex with him, even a goddess tried to have sex with him, doesn’t this ring a bell?
Hint: ALPHA male, the myth reflects the ALPHA male - yes these two words that so many of you WPers denied its existence in humans yet all historical and GENETIC even present life evidence show so much the case.
These two words are so heavy and un-PC on the ears of many feminists and deniers; but come on... stop denying the scientific facts.
Yes, these 5% were Alpha males who then got portrayed as heores and even semi gods in ancient mythologies.
In the vast majority of human civilizations, sex is considered something to be done in private. The only time chimps and gorillas have sex in "private" is when the beta/omega males are sneaking off to have sex with the females. In conclusion, a big part of human sexual behavior has been shaped by women cuckolding the alpha males.
Further more, in chimp societies, alpha =/= jerk. Countless researchers have documented that alpha males have displayed a variety of behaviors from being jerks, to acting benevolent. In fact, it was discovered that the alpha males who sided with, and protected, the "weak" members of their group enjoyed longer reigns than the ones that only favored the social "elites."
If anyone wants to be stupid enough to suggest that chimps are more advanced and nuanced than humans, go ahead, but, I'll probably laugh at you. Let's stop pretending that there's only one way to interpret human behavior.
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If 90% of men were being killed and wiped out, why then women couldn’t rebel and rule the world
ever since; since the numbers were way in their favor?
Because women suck at teamwork.
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In gorillas, alphas are known to kill the infants of the defeated previous alpha, not a very nice behavior isn’t it?
Niceness/Jerkness may also be a matter of perspective; nice toward who? yeah an alpha gorilla may be benevolent and nice with its females and infants; but he is gonna beat the hell of a beta if he catches him mating with one of his females, that’s why beta gorillas/chimps sneakly mate with females.
Chimps tend to be less violent than gorillas but they aren’t a nice species either at all.
Look, in most mammals species the males compete violently over females, gorillas, chimps, lions, deer, seals, rats even the herbivores... hell, even the gentle giraffes, male giraffe do neck fights where a male tries to use his hard head as a hammer to BREAK the opponent’s neck, the loser probably ends up dying.
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The alpha male hippos often kill male newborns; baby male hippos always live a life of hiding from the alpha.
Warning: violent content, alpha hippo killing a baby hippo:
Yeah... very nice alphas. You should watch more National geography and...History, instead of creating stories of nice alphas which have nothing with the reality of the jungle; just the usual denial of things.
Oddly enough I was watching monkey mating videos today and at some point a beta gorilla went to hide in the woods with a female to have sex with her. Anyway please don't project your human values onto gorillas, people.
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FFS stop projecting gorilla values onto humans.
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In gorillas, alphas are known to kill the infants of the defeated previous alpha, not a very nice behavior isn’t it?
Niceness/Jerkness may also be a matter of perspective; nice toward who? yeah an alpha gorilla may be benevolent and nice with its females and infants; but he is gonna beat the hell of a beta if he catches him mating with one of his females, that’s why beta gorillas/chimps sneakly mate with females.
Chimps tend to be less violent than gorillas but they aren’t a nice species either at all.
Look, in most mammals species the males compete violently over females, gorillas, chimps, lions, deer, seals, rats even the herbivores... hell, even the gentle giraffes, male giraffe do neck fights where a male tries to use his hard head as a hammer to BREAK the opponent’s neck, the loser probably ends up dying.
Warning: violent content
The alpha male hippos often kill male newborns; baby male hippos always live a life of hiding from the alpha.
Warning: violent content, alpha hippo killing a baby hippo:
Yeah... very nice alphas. You should watch more National geography and...History, instead of creating stories of nice alphas which have nothing with the reality of the jungle; just the usual denial of things.
No, I don't need to watch anything.
I read books. If anyone can supply a good enough reason why I should eschew the research of scientists who have been observing these animals for decades in favor of a few guys who can't get laid, I'm all ears.
Of course, if it makes you feel better that any man who is successful with women is a "jerk," shine on; however, it's not much different than women who decide that the skinny, pretty girl absolutely MUST be a "bit_h." Stop denying: humans are the most socially complex primate species on the planet. There's no simple equation that can define how millions of humans interact with each other.
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^ Can't argue with that.
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