RE: Aspie men and the chase

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Human behaviour is not something that is always the same, it's actually a spectrum of many possible different behaviours. Neurodiverse traits are part of this spectrum.
I bet you are one of these guys who think that neurodiverse people are some sort of evolved form of humans.

Nope, I think neurodiversity is the natural behavior of Neanderthal. We know that humans are a hybrid species, so the only thing lacking is where is the behavior of the other species (Neanderthal), and the answer is neurodiversity.

That might be a fascinating theory and perhaps deserves investigation and further studies, however I think that Homo Neanderthalensis is still human.

Also, even if it were so, having some trait that resulted from ancient admixture of different genetical material doesn't really make you a Neanderthal rather than a Sapiens.

I doubt it. Not according to modern scientific definitions of human or people.



It's tempting to think that it works that way, and I must confess, I once believed that was how it worked too, but empirical findings tell me that a huge majority of Neanderthal behavior is still in our gene-pool. Even some highly maladaptive things. So, people that are high on neurodiversity actually are more similar to Neanderthal than to Sapiens.

There is no other way to define it. Aspies are people because they have human ancestry. Deal with it.

Otherwise, put on your brown shirt, lace up your hob-nailed jackboots, and goose-step your way on down to the Autism Speaks HQ and let them in on your silly little secret.

Identity is not about what other people think, including Autism Speaks, but about what YOU believe yourself. So, Autism Speaks can do absolutely nothing about me identifying as Neanderthal and not as human or people. It's my choice not to accept labels that are excluding of my natural preferences. Others should make the same decision and stop identifying with excluding labels.

This is especially important for love & relationships because the methods humans and people are supposed to use for seeking relationships don't work for me, and by not identifying as human or people I can just discard them based on not being a member of neither human nor people.

Actually, I think that scientifically Neanderthals are usually considered human but just a different species. I also don't think that "people" is a scientific definition of humans.

I see no evidence whatsoever of what you say, and especially the idea that neurodiverse people are more similar to Neanderthals seems particularly ludicrous. Are you saying that if we take the DNA of a neurodiverse individual, it will be more similar to that of a Neanderthal than a Sapiens?

Rdos is trolling.

Do not feed the trolls.

I wish he were.

I don't think it is that simple. After all, we don't know how species-typical traits are coded, and how they are enforced to keep the species phenotype intact. There is also no consensus about the genetic "causes" of autism or neurodiversity, and no single mutation can explain it.

What there is consensus on is that you are not a Neanderthal, I can assure you of that.

I don't see how Neanderthals could have killed all those woolly mammoths had they been hamstrung by their "autistic" symptoms.

actually the gene commonly connected with the autism, aka 16p11.2 or BOLA2 is what distinguishes us from the Neanderthals:




http://abstracts.ashg.org/cgi-bin/2014/ ... =140122421
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-08- ... utism.html

Thanks, Boo!

The variations that affect the human genome are insignificant when compared to the genomic differences between species. What makes a creature human is well-defined within genetic parameters.

So what makes someone a person?

How we answer this question can mean life or death for a lot of people. Why? Because with personhood comes entitlement to rights and civil protection. Declaring that certain social groups are not people enables those in power to treat these "non-people" as property, animals, or worse. To say that autistics are not people is to de-humanize them and deny them basic rights -- even the right to live.

What makes us persons is that we are human beings -- I am a person because I am a human being. For any one person or group of people to declare otherwise is an expression of both arrogance and ignorance; arrogance because an arbitrary declaration of another person's inferiority implies a false sense of superiority in the person making the declaration; and ignorance because any person making such a declaration obviously has no perception of the diversity and commonality of humankind.

So, anyone can go ahead and declare that I am not a person for having an autism spectrum disorder; because doing so will identify them as nothing more than arrogant and ignorant bigots.

Seems like the peer-reviewers did a bad job on this article. It's impossible to determine copy-number variation in the Neanderthal genome because it is comprised of short sequences only. It's similarly impossible to determine this in the Denisovan genome. Which means they have not made a comparison with the Neanderthal or Denisovan genome, rather have assumed it originated in modern humans based on the estimated age. Which, of course, is a completely invalid method. It is even possible that the gene originated in Neanderthal / Denisovans and actually was introgressed which make it look "recent".

can you provide some proof for your claims?