Do women like or dislike effeminate men?

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this commentary brings to me an important point: we must define what we understand about femininity. some people will necessarily get as a negative, weak trait... others won't.

I'm not passing any judgement, it's just an observation.
I've never met a woman who lusted after submissive guys, it's common sense.
I've also never met a submissive guy that other guys look up to.

My point is simply this: most men and women prefer guys who are individuals, rather than someone who constantly caters to others.

Individualism just consists of being honest & uncompromising about oneself, it has nothing to do with gender identity.

but femininity doesn't equals to submissiveness. or it does, it's subjective. i'm not making a judgment over your commentary but i'm just saying that mostly people will have different opinions on the topic based on their own perception of femininity – as in people who think that yoga or long hair are feminine traits, or people who perceive submissiveness as femininity, or people who think it has to do with a slender figure and lack of facial hair or maybe sensitiveness and artistic interest... the list goes on. and all of that can be less or more attractive.

I prefer effeminate men. I find them less intimidating.

But how many of those women are there? Enough for all the effeminate men? Not in my area it seems.

It is! Actually they are among the highest; here my source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_ ... osexuality

1 – Homosexuality should be accepted by society, #2 – Homosexuality should not be accepted by society."

Philippines score is 1- 73% 2- 26%


Philippines is predominately Catholic but they still have strong beliefs inherited from their ancestors' faiths, such as animism and buddhism. I am sure their tolerance toward homosexuality doesn't come from Catholicism.

No, it's not as simple as that; it's far more than that.

It's often about things which are more tangible, like the way you walk, the way you talk, your voice tone, the way you look, the way you behave, the way you dress, the activities you do, your interests, your body shape, your face shape, your posture, the way you sit, the way you eat, the way you drink, even your beverage choices, your body language, your interests.....etc

All these are radically and strongly genderized, there's a typical 'female' and 'male' of every thing listed above. Most people think in term of "men" and "women" instead of "people" and it starts right from there.

Being submissive is just one of these things too.

Look what this fella says about women on male yogis:


https://manflowyoga.com/blog/women-on-yoga-men/



The issue is the "The bad" part, it shows that this thinking does really exists among the average populace.


In your Swedish society, do males talk in the same manner even if there's a female presence among them exactly as if there's no female presence? (and vice versa) If not, then things still polarized.

Don't forget that women find wealth and confidence sexy in most cultures around the world.

It is much easier to be confident if you don't have to hide who you are. And genuine confidence often opens the doors to avenues of wealth. If you aren't confident you won't even get to the doors, much less be given the opportunity to open them.

The idea of changing who you are to get in a relationship may have worked in my parents day, when people didn't get divorced. Not gonna work these days, unless you can stay changed throughout the relationship. A common joke back then was women would immediately change back to who they were, even though their new husbands had the fantasy that they would never change. And the wives had the fantasy that they would change their new husbands into the guys they really wanted to marry.

What does this have to do with the topic?

As this is the Love and Dating forum, some people may get the idea that they ought to study what women want to guide how they present themselves to women.

Most women actually want "normal" men without any "issues" but they typically don't come that way.
I think I first saw this concept in Moonstruck, a 1987 Romantic Comedy starring Cher

I am glad that you figured out the question is flawed.

There is no answer to a question like that because different people are attracted to different things. It all varies a LOT. Keeps us all from falling for the same guy.

I can't believe you got 3 pages on the thread anyway.

My man has long hair, wears kilts, is sensitive and caring and kind. He is not typically ''masculine'' but to me he is the ultimate male just because he is true to himself and absolutely wonderful as a person.

I don't think it is possible to make a statement about what women find attractive, as there is no such thing for males either. In the end it is all about a balance of chemistry, personality and compatability.

I suppose you never met a dominatrix (a woman into BD/SM as a dominator) then? I don't think this is confined only to that scene, rather it is not uncommon. Then, of course, there are women that don't care, and guys that are neither submissive nor dominant.

Nope, never. Every woman I've ever talked to about this quite liked being dominated.
Obviously neither of us have any stats to support our claims, but I very much disagree with you, I think it is very uncommon. Find me an erotic novel which is popular amongst women, wherein the female is very dominant.

At least, BD/SM is more common in neurodiversity, but I don't know about the reverse roles. Still, I know a few ND women that are dominant in the BD/SM scene.

However, I think the most common in NDs is to not care about the dominant-submissive stuff at all. After all, the desire to dominate others is just a special case of the status hierarchy that predominantly neurotypical males are deep into.