When YouTube Red-Pills the Love of Your Life

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You also seem to think internalized sexism isn't a thing, so I don't know how to take you seriously.

And if you believe conservatives don't do drugs or drink--I don't think you and I are inhabiting the same reality. Conservatives LOVE alcohol and cocaine, first of all. All the really conservative guys I've ever known were really into coke, which I never understood but it seems popular among a certain group of conservative "boot-strap" type driven self-made kind of guys, I suppose because it feeds the frantic energy of their ambition. In fact I would go so far as to say there seems to be little in life conservatives like more than money and cocaine.

You have an unrealistically idealized view of what most conservative people are actually like. Have you not interacted with many conservative people IRL? Because I lived in a suburb of Toronto for a while that is full of monied conservative people, and they all LOVED cocaine and alcohol and f*****g around on their spouses.

I don't know what you mean exactly by "internalised sexism". If you mean something like a desire on the part of a woman to do right by her family then I don't know of any definition of the word "sexism" that would justify such a conclusion. If you mean the recognition, on the part of a woman that there are some differences between the two sexes, then it seems to be a synonym for "sanity". Either way, I don't see anything sexist about it, so you'll have to clarify that one.

I think you're having difficulty understanding the difference between a categorical and a general statement; I had thought that you'd encounter this difficulty, so I tried to spell it out. I'll do so one last time: in general (not always) those who genuinely (not for the sake of appearances) hold traditionalist conservative views are less likely (with some exceptions) to engage in acts of self-degradation. Again, I'll point out that a counterexample to a general - as opposed to a categorical - statement does not disprove that statement.

You also seem to struggle to separate those who profess conservative values to those who actually have them. There are plenty of degenerate nouveau riche types who claim to be conservatives - they may even be card-carrying members of their local conservative parties - but are doing it to ingratiate themselves with those who will be financially useful to them, or to keep up appearances, rather than out of any genuine sense of conviction. Conversely, those who hold "socially liberal" views with real conviction are almost obliged to engage in acts of self-degradation. "Liberal" comes from the Latin "liber" meaning simply "free"; it is the political philosophy that stresses freedom above all else. Unfortunately, the only freedom social liberals seem to be interested in is that which involves the genitals, which is the reason real freedom cannot last more than another generation or two.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_sexism

It's a real phenomenon. Check it out.

And yeah, I figured you would go the whole "anyone who does those things isn't a REAL conservative" no-true-scotsman fallacy route.

Please stop trying to derail this thread with unrelated arguments because you disagree with me about other topics. Thanks.

This goes for all to whom it applies.

It really hurts me when I see even edgier and alternate type women with guys who are telling them to "Shut the f**k up, b***h!" and punching them in the face. I've even seen gothic girls dating hip-hop thugs who know nothing about gothic culture or even mock it and it baffles me so much. I don't see anything wrong with having dignity or assertiveness; I had a nightmare where someone tried to kill me and it made me wish I was stronger so I could protect myself if push comes to shove for me. I just don't want to become like one of the football jocks or hip-hip thugs to finally achieve my goal.

Many things have a name and a Wikipedia article; if silly Marxist, postmodern dogma conjured up in some social science department is the extent of your justification for labelling noble women (as rare a species now as noble men) as being self-hating then you need to re-evaluate.

The no-true-Scotsman fallacy doesn't apply here: quite clearly, insofar as people who engage in casual sex and abuse drugs violate the tenets of conservatism, they cannot be true conservatives.



You slipped in the remark about decent women (almost BECAUSE they're decent) being self-hating without any justification. I had every right to criticize you for it, though I wish I didn't need to.

If you don't want to continue the discussion, then don't respond (this is easier for me as well as for you) but don't expect people not to criticize you for making unwarranted assumptions about them or the people they love.

I'm supposed to want to have a discussion with someone who thinks I can't be a decent noble woman because I'm not socially conservative? No thank you. If you can't refrain from personally judging me for being a "liberal degenerate" then please don't participate in my threads because I'm not interested in hearing all the reasons I'm a degenerate.

How many women have you seen being punched in the face by their boyfriends? You mention this fairly often. Is it a common occurrence? Is it the red-necks, the hip-hop thugs or both types who do this? I’ve lived in several large cities and have never seen such a thing. It must be quite frightening.

Ah I see. Counter-culture > Red-Pill/MGTOW/et al or hints of at all > conservative > traditional = always evil and bigoted.

"Red-pill" and "right-wing" don't mean the same thing.

Why is Red-pill and similar ideologies seemingly growing these days? Because men have gotten frustrated and started a counter-position to the feminist ideology that had a monopoly on gender discussion in the last decades. I am able to see where some of these are coming from, I don't blame the people behind the movement per-se.

Because when you are far left enough, you only see anything to the right related to "stuff I think is horrible".

Did you completely ignore all the sources I provided supporting my argument about the connection between the red-pill ideology and the extreme right wing? What am I saying, of course you did. Well they are there for others who aren't emotionally motivated to ignore reality to read and to see the obvious connection explained therein.

To be fair, left-leaning fiscally and right-leaning socially is a pretty rare combination. Most people are either left for both, right for both, centre for both, left or right for one and centre for the other or left-leaning socially and right-leaning fiscally. A conservative socialist is not a political leaning you encounter often.

To Kara's point about red-pill being right-wing, it's difficult, because as far as I'm aware there's no checklist of what red-pillers believe, and the term itself is quite subjectively used. A lot of red pill ideas seem to go against the far left and feminism though so I think it would be fair to say that it is less likely that left-wingers would identify with red pill philosophy, but just because an idea or group is against modern feminism and the far left doesn't necessarily put it on the right wing by default.

I think the best way to put it would be to say that red pill philosophy is to the right of feminism. I don't like the term "red pill" myself, both because it sounds obnoxious and can basically refer to anything from being realistic to being misogynistic depending on who's using the term and in what context.

To be fair, I included several links in one of my earlier comments about the connection between red-pill ideology and the political extreme right-wing. They are there for you to read if you want to learn more about how they are related.

Do they provide a definition of "red pill"? Because like I said, it's quite a subjective term. It's certainly used in right-wing circles, but it's difficult to pinpoint what it is that all people who refer to themselves as red-pilled believe, and what beliefs make someone part of that school of thought. In any case, I'll check your links out.

That's exactly what those articles, especially the last one, talk about. Do check them out.