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25 Jun 2019, 4:24 pm

Two years ago a girl of about 19 did fell really in love to me. Once I realized her being as young I rejected her in a quite hard way hoping that it makes her hating me. I broke her totally. I would never do something stupid like this again.


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25 Jun 2019, 7:48 pm

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You'd know she was a woman if she was closer to your own age.

Power dynamics in patriarchy is what has traditionally dictated girls settle for older boys. Both sexes find youth and ripeness attractive. That's why there's a rise in cougar culture and sugar mummies nowadays.

I'd like to be a cougar myself but I don't flirt with sixth form boys because I don't want to be a creep. And I certainly wouldn't (if I didn't still get kiddy menus in restaurants and IDed every time I want to do something 18+) think they were flirting with me. They do flirt with me but only because I, like a lot of aspies, look young.

Considering that - maybe that's what's going on? Do you have the usual grey hair, height and wrinkles which a typical 50 something would have? Or might you look more like a young man in his 20s?

The power dynamic would be out of whack by a lot. This should concern you, if you have empathy for her and don't just see her as a sex object. It would be less out of whack then if you were an NT, that's why it's hard to date as an aspie, but I recommend finding someone in her 30s/40s or at least 20s.

Even assuming this is universal, power doesn't have to be abused. Sex or romance isn't inherently exploitative or harmful.



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25 Jun 2019, 10:44 pm

One word: Jailbait.



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26 Jun 2019, 12:21 am

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One word: Jailbait.

I find it unlikely that a minor would flirt with a 51 year old.



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26 Jun 2019, 2:02 am

KT67 wrote:
You'd know she was a woman if she was closer to your own age.


Women my age are incredibly boring, so why would I ever want to flirt with them?

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Power dynamics in patriarchy is what has traditionally dictated girls settle for older boys. Both sexes find youth and ripeness attractive. That's why there's a rise in cougar culture and sugar mummies nowadays.


Not quite. As I concluded in another post, women will only consider minimal attractivity in guys to create a manageable dating pool. Older men typically have several of the things that women desire, and so it's natural that there is age difference in relationships.

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The power dynamic would be out of whack by a lot. This should concern you, if you have empathy for her and don't just see her as a sex object. It would be less out of whack then if you were an NT, that's why it's hard to date as an aspie, but I recommend finding someone in her 30s/40s or at least 20s.


Flirting has nothing to do with seeing people as sex objects.



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26 Jun 2019, 2:09 am

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Your worries are kind of strange. First of all a relationship to her wouldn't be illegal at all but may be no not very well accepted by families and other people. I'm looking a bit younger then average people of my age. Not all people do age at the same speed. It's not a rare case that even teenager girls get unexpectedly in touch with me. The girl was after me because of behaviour and not after money. I was wearing old jeans with cut off legs, an old faded shirt, my hair cut is old fashioned and I was using the bus. Many women who like me stay just near to me or get in touch with hips or breasts while passing me. But she came near to me just for flirting and that wasn't a typical thing. But she was really pretty and so I liked her. But what's your problem with this?


Nothing wrong at all. I'd be flattered if it had happened to me. We should encourage this kind of thing and not be so negative. Ageism is rampant in our culture, and we need less of that not more. Every positive contact that spans generations is good.



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26 Jun 2019, 2:18 am

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Avoid flirting with girls who look young unless you know they are of age. Where’s the harm in that?


If a girl attempts to flirt with me I know she is "of age". As I've already pointed out, flirting is not about sex, not about a relationship and certainly not a power game. It's a fun and natural activity that there is no need to put moral concerns about. After all, a girl don't have to flirt with me or anybody else.

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What if you and/or the girl develops feelings for each other through flirting? It’s just not worth the risk.


That only might happen when it is done many times, and I will avoid that when I already have a loved one.



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26 Jun 2019, 3:27 am

Not wasting my time on here, you come across as a creep and a misogynist. Women your age are only boring if you're into women exclusively for sex. You don't have things in common with teenage girls. Find a hobby group, find someone your age and date her. Better yet, quit flirting with people until you learn to respect women as equals.


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26 Jun 2019, 3:44 am

KT67 wrote:
Not wasting my time on here, you come across as a creep and a misogynist. Women your age are only boring if you're into women exclusively for sex. You don't have things in common with teenage girls. Find a hobby group, find someone your age and date her. Better yet, quit flirting with people until you learn to respect women as equals.


No, women my age are boring because of their limited interests. I feel like I was around 30, and I'm certainly not just waiting for my pension & getting buried. When I retire I plan to increase my focus on neurodiversity research, and I have no intention of settling down. I would be fine with getting more children too, and I would enjoy playing with them on playgrounds and things.

I'd like to add that men my age are equally boring, which is why I enjoy setting myself apart from them.

And flirting is not a power game, and thus the talk about "equals" and "respect" is completely misplaced.



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26 Jun 2019, 4:01 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
It’s a bad idea to flirt with teenage girls for a variety of reasons which have already been listed. If they flirt with you, that’s one thing, but you should probably avoid flirting back. It isn’t worth the risk.


We don't really know how the OP looks. He says he's good looking for 51 yrs old and the girl might just be having some harmless fun and probably gauged the situation as safe to tease/flirt for the fun of it. That's what teenage NT girls do sometimes. They also like the attention.

Anyway it's unlikely the OP will ever cross paths again and the girl likely forgot what she did the moment she checked her phone (unlike the OP who obviously has good memories).



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26 Jun 2019, 4:14 am

quite an extreme wrote:
Two years ago a girl of about 19 did fell really in love to me. Once I realized her being as young I rejected her in a quite hard way hoping that it makes her hating me. I broke her totally. I would never do something stupid like this again.

Dude, you have experience with this type of thing but you are posting here like you don't know what to do about the current
situation?



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26 Jun 2019, 4:51 am

rdos wrote:
KT67 wrote:
Not wasting my time on here, you come across as a creep and a misogynist. Women your age are only boring if you're into women exclusively for sex. You don't have things in common with teenage girls. Find a hobby group, find someone your age and date her. Better yet, quit flirting with people until you learn to respect women as equals.


No, women my age are boring because of their limited interests. I feel like I was around 30, and I'm certainly not just waiting for my pension & getting buried. When I retire I plan to increase my focus on neurodiversity research, and I have no intention of settling down. I would be fine with getting more children too, and I would enjoy playing with them on playgrounds and things.

I'd like to add that men my age are equally boring, which is why I enjoy setting myself apart from them.

And flirting is not a power game, and thus the talk about "equals" and "respect" is completely misplaced.


Yeah well I prefer aesthetically 18-21 yo men. I like doing things that kids like to do. I don't even drink. I live at home and am certainly not your average 31 yo woman. I still don't hit on teenagers. I look about 15. I'm only 31 and boys flirt with me, I just don't respond because if they knew I was 31 they wouldn't or it would be a milf/cougar type situation, not what they're thinking it is which is just 'boy meets girl'.

Flirting is a power game when it gets into relationship territory. And you should respect everyone you have relationships with. Even platonic ones. Whenever things get sexual, it matters that the two people are equally experienced in life, social connections, finances, sexual experiences and intelligence. Otherwise someone could take advantage.


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26 Jun 2019, 5:47 am

I actually find many women my age to be enchanting and desirable....



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26 Jun 2019, 6:22 am

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I actually find many women my age to be enchanting and desirable....


I'm not surprised. You seem like a safe guy to have around young women without creepy stuff going on, almost like a father.

Do you have kids? It makes quite a difference. When people have kids, they start to be more aware of ages and creeps etc.

Even for me, I don't have kids but I was with my 17 yo nephew at the weekend and it struck me how young he is. (16 is the UK legal age so I could have sex with a 17 yo boy and not get in trouble, and I've had plenty of offers in that direction). It might only seem like yesterday that I was checking out universities but it was actually over a decade ago. Teenagers nowadays weren't even born in the 20th century!

My little cousin used to tease me about being 'old' but that's different, a five year gap isn't anything really, we have some of the same overlapping TV shows and experiences of life. I might have been born in the 80s but we're both 90s kids.

Once someone is over 20, I'm fine with age gaps. But I'm not for power imbalances - which do exist otherwise it would be ok for a sixth form teacher to date his student or a therapist to date her client etc. I'd actually advise aspies to date slightly younger because of our probable lack of experience in social and sexual things, it balances out the power dynamic. Power imbalances exist in unhealthy relationships and are unhealthy for the weaker partner and for a more powerful partner who actually cares and isn't just thinking about sex.

My parents (mum and stepdad) have a big age gap but it's ok because my mum is so much more socially competent than my stepdad (he's practically undiagnosed autistic), they met when she was 26 with a mortgage and a kid and she's the main breadwinner nowadays (he was when she was establishing her career, now he's retired). The difference is, he couldn't take advantage of her and vice versa any more than your average same age couple could and they have genuine things to talk about together, in fact (I know this might be for my benefit) they're not very sexual together, like most couples hold hands and hug a lot and they don't, they just have fun.


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26 Jun 2019, 6:40 am

Nope. No kids.

I don’t believe in power imbalances, either. There is so much potential for heartache (and much more) in these sorts of situations.



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26 Jun 2019, 7:07 am

Probably the ideal solution to this is aspie men quit subscribing to the alpha male beta male thing and get aspie girlfriends their own age. That way, the partners are likely to be socially (lower than average) and intellectually (higher than average) matched.

I don't think people who are old are always wise. I've spent enough time with old people to know there are some real idiots out there collecting pensions. But I do think they are necessarily more competent than they were in their own youth. Only exception is if someone has Alzheimer's - and people without Alzheimer's shouldn't be starting relationships with them, it's different to stay in the relationship but even then you become a kind of carer to them rather than a regular spouse or partner.


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